Jays 2021/22 General Off-Season Discussion

[Slade]

 

Mike Wilner

@Wilnerness

 

Don’t expect to see a lot of George Springer during #Bluejays Grapefruit season. He said that while spring training is important, his goal is to be ready to go April 8th. He’s going to take as many live at-bats as possible here at the complex. Seems he’ll only play occasionally.

 

I don't understand, getting into games does not help him get ready for Opening Day?

[saskjayfan]

Springer's going to start the year on the DL again...

 

Stop It! No he's not!

[Jays24]

As long as Springer plays in some of the games, I'm fine with him doing whatever he thinks he needs to be ready by opening day. It is weird since getting live at bats and fielding should be the best way so let's see.

 

Sounds like something someone would say who either isn't in good shape or nursing an injury. Especially when you consider spring training is already shortened.

Edited March 17, 2022 by Jays24

[John_Havok]

I don't understand, getting into games does not help him get ready for Opening Day?

 

He probably needs less than 2 weeks to get his timing. That's really all hitters need.

[Stangstag]

 

Mike Wilner

@Wilnerness

 

Don’t expect to see a lot of George Springer during #Bluejays Grapefruit season. He said that while spring training is important, his goal is to be ready to go April 8th. He’s going to take as many live at-bats as possible here at the complex. Seems he’ll only play occasionally.

 

Uh oh…

[Deadpool]

I don't understand, getting into games does not help him get ready for Opening Day?

 

Maybe, but maybe he values getting 20 simulated ABs over 2 game ABs (before being pulled for Logan Warmoth or something)

[Abomination]

Maybe, but maybe he values getting 20 simulated ABs over 2 game ABs (before being pulled for Logan Warmoth or something)

 

Or he doesn't want to be facing fireballing minor leaguers who don't know where the ball is going.

[saskjayfan]

Uh ohÂ…

 

You don't occasionally play if you're hurt! He's not hurt. He just doesn't wanna risk getting hurt. It would seem even Springer understands what a walking bandaide he is. Relax people!

[connorp]

You don't occasionally play if you're hurt! He's not hurt. He just doesn't wanna risk getting hurt. It would seem even Springer understands what a walking bandaide he is. Relax people!

 

Idk man. If you’re dealing with an injury you actually do work your back in stages. If he was dealing with an injury, considering the fact the Jays have hardly been forthcoming on this kind of stuff in the past, I don’t think we’d know. So I’d say any speculation is valid, even if not probable

[JaysAllMighty]

Uh oh…

 

Yep, red flag alert.

[connorp]

Yep, red flag alert.

 

Yeah one should look at it this way, if in two weeks we get a new update that Springer would start the year on the 10-day with some nagging thing, would anyone be surprised in how it was rolled out?

 

Hopefully that’s not the case here though

[Sammy225]

Yeah one should look at it this way, if in two weeks we get a new update that Springer would start the year on the 10-day with some nagging thing, would anyone be surprised in how it was rolled out?

 

Hopefully that’s not the case here though

 

I don't know if he is playing a little then i can't see him dealing with an injury because that would just be stupid if he is not playing at all then i would have questions.

[lovemyjays]

I feel pretty good about our current lineup.

 

Any other free agents of interest?

[connorp]

I don't know if he is playing a little then i can't see him dealing with an injury because that would just be stupid if he is not playing at all then i would have questions.

 

If he does get into limited action, all eyes will be on him I guess

[Deadpool]

I feel pretty good about our current lineup.

 

Any other free agents of interest?

 

Kenley Jansen if we're shopping in the big boy aisle for relievers, if not a couple of lower tier relievers (ideally on MiLB contracts with spring training invites...)

 

I'm personally happy with the position player portion of the team.

[bones10]

Team looks really good going into the year, But I think there's one thing everyone is missing

 

Given the current roster, there is almost no way Montoyo can be as atrocious as he was last year. No more panik, tons of the shitballer relievers are gone, and everyone is healthy at the moment

[Deadpool]

Team looks really good going into the year, But I think there's one thing everyone is missing

 

Given the current roster, there is almost no way Montoyo can be as atrocious as he was last year. No more panik, tons of the shitballer relievers are gone, and everyone is healthy at the moment

 

He'll start Grichuk WAY more than he should, but that's honestly the only mistake (lineup wise) that he can make with this team right now.

[max silver]

He'll start Grichuk WAY more than he should, but that's honestly the only mistake (lineup wise) that he can make with this team right now.

 

This roster should be close to Charlie proof as starting out there will hopefully be very little roster filler type players available to him. I exhaled a huge sigh of relief when Villar signed elsewhere as you just knew Charlie would be playing him 6 days a week.

[wilko]

Team looks really good going into the year, But I think there's one thing everyone is missing

 

Given the current roster, there is almost no way Montoyo can be as atrocious as he was last year. No more panik, tons of the shitballer relievers are gone, and everyone is healthy at the moment

 

He will find a way!

[John_Havok]

This roster should be close to Charlie proof as starting out there will hopefully be very little roster filler type players available to him. I exhaled a huge sigh of relief when Villar signed elsewhere as you just knew Charlie would be playing him 6 days a week.

 

McGuire is still here.

[Deadpool]

McGuire is still here.

 

Yeah, gotta make sure your 3rd string catcher stays fresh, at least 3 starts a week for sure!

[Brownie19]

Kenley Jansen if we're shopping in the big boy aisle for relievers, if not a couple of lower tier relievers (ideally on MiLB contracts with spring training invites...)

 

I'm personally happy with the position player portion of the team.

 

Not sure we really have room for another bullpen arm

Locks or Can't / won't be optioned:

 

Romano

Cimber

Richards

Garcia

Stripling

Mayza

 

No options remaining:

 

Borucki

 

Other options:

 

Merryweather

Vasquez

Pearson

 

I just can't imagine that if Pearson is throwing well that we'll put him in AAA and I see him as a huge part of this team. And if Merryweather is healthy and throwing well - I can't believe we're going to let him waste bullets in AAA. I guess that leaves 1 spot available if we are just going to cut Borucki. It seems almost guaranteed without adding anyone that Vasquez is going to AAA. I guess I could see us optioning Richards

 

And this is all assuming an 8 man bullpen - which doesn't happen unless we're going with a 3 man bench (13 pitcher, 12 position players).

 

I just don't think there's anyway we are adding Kenley Jansen right now. I hope we hold back some payroll flexibility and add to the pen if it becomes required during the season.

[InsideThePark]

Not sure we really have room for another bullpen arm

Locks or Can't / won't be optioned:

 

Romano

Cimber

Richards

Garcia

Stripling

Mayza

 

No options remaining:

 

Borucki

 

Other options:

 

Merryweather

Vasquez

Pearson

 

I just can't imagine that if Pearson is throwing well that we'll put him in AAA and I see him as a huge part of this team. And if Merryweather is healthy and throwing well - I can't believe we're going to let him waste bullets in AAA. I guess that leaves 1 spot available if we are just going to cut Borucki. It seems almost guaranteed without adding anyone that Vasquez is going to AAA. I guess I could see us optioning Richards

 

And this is all assuming an 8 man bullpen - which doesn't happen unless we're going with a 3 man bench (13 pitcher, 12 position players).

 

I just don't think there's anyway we are adding Kenley Jansen right now. I hope we hold back some payroll flexibility and add to the pen if it becomes required during the season.

 

Rosters are 26 now and there's been talks of it being a bit more in April with the shortened spring but nothing confirmed. Pen will be at least 8 but 9(or more) is possible

[John_Havok]

Not sure we really have room for another bullpen arm

Locks or Can't / won't be optioned:

 

Romano

Cimber

Richards

Garcia

Stripling

Mayza

 

No options remaining:

 

Borucki

 

Other options:

 

Merryweather

Vasquez

Pearson

 

I just can't imagine that if Pearson is throwing well that we'll put him in AAA and I see him as a huge part of this team. And if Merryweather is healthy and throwing well - I can't believe we're going to let him waste bullets in AAA. I guess that leaves 1 spot available if we are just going to cut Borucki. It seems almost guaranteed without adding anyone that Vasquez is going to AAA. I guess I could see us optioning Richards

 

And this is all assuming an 8 man bullpen - which doesn't happen unless we're going with a 3 man bench (13 pitcher, 12 position players).

 

I just don't think there's anyway we are adding Kenley Jansen right now. I hope we hold back some payroll flexibility and add to the pen if it becomes required during the season.

 

You forgot Hatch, Thornton and Kay. All will be in the mix for sure though I don't know what their option status is

[wilko]

You forgot Hatch, Thornton and Kay. All will be in the mix for sure though I don't know what their option status is

 

Hopefully DFA'd.

[Brownie19]

Rosters are 26 now and there's been talks of it being a bit more in April with the shortened spring but nothing confirmed. Pen will be at least 8 but 9(or more) is possible

 

Ah - I thought that was a COVID rule that disappeared, but I could be wrong. Still - it seems unlikely we'd roll with a 3 man bench doesn't it? won't our 26th person be a bench guy? (Grichuk, Espinal, McGuire + ???). That's assuming we're going to use Kirk as the DH regularly and thus will carry 3 catchers. I don't know - maybe there is room for another pen arm, but it's tight!

[Brownie19]

Hopefully DFA'd.

 

Dude - we aren't DFA'ing those 3. Those are a key component of our AAA starter depth (along with Francis, Stipling and Pearson). We already lost depth in Logue. Typically need 8-10 starters to get through a season.

[InsideThePark]

Ah - I thought that was a COVID rule that disappeared, but I could be wrong. Still - it seems unlikely we'd roll with a 3 man bench doesn't it? won't our 26th person be a bench guy? (Grichuk, Espinal, McGuire + ???). That's assuming we're going to use Kirk as the DH regularly and thus will carry 3 catchers. I don't know - maybe there is room for another pen arm, but it's tight!

 

The 26th man was announced before covid hit so it's here to stay. I would prefer that Kirk is the most common DH and that would require McGuire on the roster and thus a 4 man bench, 8 man pen configuration. I get the feeling the team doesn't like that though as they haven't wanted to do that in the past so a 9/3 config is possible. If the season starts with a 28 or 30 man rosters because of the short spring things obviously open up considerably.

[G-Snarls]

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[Ehjays]

Not sure we really have room for another bullpen arm

Locks or Can't / won't be optioned:

 

Romano

Cimber

Richards

Garcia

Stripling

Mayza

 

No options remaining:

 

Borucki

 

Other options:

 

Merryweather

Vasquez

Pearson

 

I just can't imagine that if Pearson is throwing well that we'll put him in AAA and I see him as a huge part of this team. And if Merryweather is healthy and throwing well - I can't believe we're going to let him waste bullets in AAA. I guess that leaves 1 spot available if we are just going to cut Borucki. It seems almost guaranteed without adding anyone that Vasquez is going to AAA. I guess I could see us optioning Richards

 

And this is all assuming an 8 man bullpen - which doesn't happen unless we're going with a 3 man bench (13 pitcher, 12 position players).

 

I just don't think there's anyway we are adding Kenley Jansen right now. I hope we hold back some payroll flexibility and add to the pen if it becomes required during the season.

 

Remember we have Phelps on a minor league deal (probably cut free if he doesnt make the squad.) He actually was one of the better RP we had before he got hurt. Also, Castro, I thought he did ok as well. Its nice to see lots of competition.