Trade Deadline Rumors and Discussion Thread 2021

[metafour]

Catching can get pretty thin around the league. Adams is flawed but he's still a ~40FV prospect with good minor league numbers, raw power, other tools. He projects as a good hitting backup who can hold his own behind the plate. It's not unreasonable to expect him to have trade value. His place on Toronto's depth chart is mostly irrelevant for his trade value.

 

Riley Adams is a low BA, extremely high K% hitter which means that he is EXTREMELY flawed at the plate, and he's old - so the likelihood of him "figuring something out" isn't that high. The fact that he doesn't make contact also means that his plus power is going to be very hard to tap into at the MLB level. He hit .258 with a 31.6% K-rate in AA, and he's hitting .239 with a 32.2% K-rate in AAA. Unsurprisingly, he hit .107 with a 40% K-rate in his small MLB sample. What do you think he reasonably projects as? A .220 MLB hitter who strikes out ~35% of the time? You seem to be over-exaggerating his potential upside as well as his value, because once again: teams aren't lining up for an OK defense backup catcher who looks like he's going to hit .220 and strike out 30%+ of the time. He's not "nothing", but this is about his value: a one-for-one flip for a rental reliever who's been elite in the past and hasn't been great this season, or as like the 4th piece (essentially a throw in) in a bigger deal. He's not headlining any other trade. There is also value in getting him off the 40-man roster for us, because we have too many catchers on there - and his "role" on this team is basically only as the emergency backup to the emergency back LOL. Had Moreno not been hurt, he would have been a better option over Adams to play even today.

[Laika]

Riley Adams is a low BA, extremely high K% hitter which means that he is EXTREMELY flawed at the plate, and he's old - so the likelihood of him "figuring something out" isn't that high. The fact that he doesn't make contact also means that his plus power is going to be very hard to tap into at the MLB level. He hit .258 with a 31.6% K-rate in AA, and he's hitting .239 with a 32.2% K-rate in AAA. Unsurprisingly, he hit .107 with a 40% K-rate in his small MLB sample. What do you think he reasonably projects as? A .220 MLB hitter who strikes out ~35% of the time? You seem to be over-exaggerating his potential upside as well as his value, because once again: teams aren't lining up for an OK defense backup catcher who looks like he's going to hit .220 and strike out 30%+ of the time. He's not "nothing", but this is about his value: a one-for-one flip for a rental reliever who's been elite in the past and hasn't been great this season, or as like the 4th piece (essentially a throw in) in a bigger deal. He's not headlining any other trade. There is also value in getting him off the 40-man roster for us, because we have too many catchers on there - and his "role" on this team is basically only as the emergency backup to the emergency back LOL. Had Moreno not been hurt, he would have been a better option over Adams to play even today.

 

Literally, I am just regurgitating Fangraphs information.

 

There's no need to just s*** all over a 40FV prospect because your favourite team traded him. Backup catchers with power but questionable hit tools are like, classic baseball archetypes. They have existed forever, will exist forever, and will get work forever. Some hit just enough to carve out long careers, most don't, obviously.

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[wilko]

 

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[Jays24]

The more I think about it, more the Hand move irks me. It goes against everything they've been doing and planning for. Going after a rental who hasnt been good while giving up a decent prospect who could be used for a real long term piece is unnecessary.

[connorp]

The more I think about it, more the Hand move irks me. It goes against everything they've been doing and planning for. Going after a rental who hasnt been good while giving up a decent prospect who could be used for a real long term piece is unnecessary.

 

As mentioned in other threads, they did same thing last year. It’s their MO

[metafour]

Literally, I am just regurgitating Fangraphs information.

 

There's no need to just s*** all over a 40FV prospect because your favourite team traded him. Backup catchers with power but questionable hit tools are like, classic baseball archetypes. They have existed forever, will exist forever, and will get work forever. Some hit just enough to carve out long careers, most don't, obviously.

 

How is reciting a stat-line "s***ing all over a prospect"? The initial talking point was that this is a bad trade because we "burned" Riley Adams as an asset. In reality, he is actually an anchor for us because we are a team that is so strong in the farm system that we're going to struggle to protect all of our interesting prospects, and Riley Adams - who is 5th on our immediate catching depth chart, is occupying a spot on our 40-man roster with no immediate use for us as anything other than "well if 3 other guys all get injured at the same time, we have Riley Adams!". "Burning" him as an asset suggests that we could have done more in a trade with him - and that's the part where his extreme flaws as a hitter and his age make me question what exactly you think makes him more valuable than what he was just traded for? Griffin Conine was traded for a rental just last season, and he is much more interesting than Adams because he actually hits an obscene amount of HR's. You can say all you want about "backup catchers", teams didn't even want Reese McGuire for free and he looks much more useful than Adams is expected to ever be (much better defense, better contact ability, and much better plate discipline as he literally strikes out half as often). A 25 year old catcher who's not even hitting .240 in AAA and strikes out 32.2% of the time better project to be an elite defender...and Riley Adams isn't even that.

[Jays24]

As mentioned in other threads, they did same thing last year. It’s their MO

 

It doesn't make any sense man. Our starting rotation and bullpen were huge question marks going into the season for skill and health reasons. Why not stock up on 1 year deals when the cost was NOTHING but money for a team that was well under their usual budget.

 

Im probably more upset at their train of thought than I am with actually losing Adams. It's just bad asset management.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Jays24

[Daniel Labude]

 

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[bronson44]

[Laika]

How is reciting a stat-line "s***ing all over a prospect"? The initial talking point was that this is a bad trade because we "burned" Riley Adams as an asset. In reality, he is actually an anchor for us because we are a team that is so strong in the farm system that we're going to struggle to protect all of our interesting prospects, and Riley Adams - who is 5th on our immediate catching depth chart, is occupying a spot on our 40-man roster with no immediate use for us as anything other than "well if 3 other guys all get injured at the same time, we have Riley Adams!". "Burning" him as an asset suggests that we could have done more in a trade with him - and that's the part where his extreme flaws as a hitter and his age make me question what exactly you think makes him more valuable than what he was just traded for? Griffin Conine was traded for a rental just last season, and he is much more interesting than Adams because he actually hits an obscene amount of HR's. You can say all you want about "backup catchers", teams didn't even want Reese McGuire for free and he looks much more useful than Adams is expected to ever be (much better defense, better contact ability, and much better plate discipline as he literally strikes out half as often). A 25 year old catcher who's not even hitting .240 in AAA and strikes out 32.2% of the time better project to be an elite defender...and Riley Adams isn't even that.

 

I didn't say it was a bad trade, I said it was annoying to lose Riley Adams like this.

 

Of course you're s***ing on Riley Adams. Two big fat shits in a row in this thread. You've taken a s*** 526 words, or half of a grade 9 essay long, to this point. You are taking the worst possible stance on both his skill set and his value.

 

Most of the stuff you are saying about Adams could have been said about Yan Gomes back when he was a 25 year old mediocre catching prospect traded for Esmil f***ing Rogers.

[Ryu In My House]

We're not done. The Jays will add someone else with an fWAR of between 0.1 and 0.3 WAR.

[TwistedLogic]

[G-Snarls]

An ace reliever we could have just kept but of course had no reason to at the time...

 

Imagine in the Jays had had a crystal ball and knew that Liam Hendriks and Ryan Tepera were going to become ace relievers and had kept both

[G-Snarls]

Tepera is better than Hand.

 

Big time

[saskjayfan]

An ace reliever we could have just kept but of course had no reason to at the time...like Hendricks.

 

Imagine in the Jays had had a crystal ball and knew that Liam Hendricks and Ryan Tepera were going to become ace relievers and had kept both

 

Hendricks was a mistake. He pitched extremely well and was controllable. Ryan Tepera had injury issues when we got rid of him and hadn't pitched well for 2 years and had less control. It's hard to fault the Jays for cutting ties with Tepera.

[G-Snarls]

Hendricks was a mistake. He pitched extremely well and was controllable. Ryan Tepera had injury issues when we got rid of him and hadn't pitched well for 2 years and had less control. It's hard to fault the Jays for cutting ties with Tepera.

 

I'm not

 

Hence the crystal ball comment

[RobinThicc]

I wish they would make a major trade, get some potential offseason work done now, but I doubt they do. Would be entertaining though.

[saskjayfan]

It's pretty clear Shatkins has a sense of humor. After the Resse Mcguire incident he acquired:

 

Brad Hand, Marcus Semien and Corey Dickerson!

 

I stole this from twitter, and yes I have the sense of humor of a 12 year old boy.

[z3r0s]

It's pretty clear Shatkins has a sense of humor. After the Resse Mcguire incident he acquired:

 

Brad Hand, Marcus Semien and Corey Dickerson!

 

I stole this from twitter, and yes I have the sense of humor of a 12 year old boy.

 

Jazz Chisholm would have been better, oh well, only some many moves can be made in service of bugging Reese

[Slade]

[Laika]

Getting a really solid SP controllable through at least next season just makes so much sense.

[Ehjays]

Getting a really solid SP controllable through at least next season just makes so much sense.

 

This would make sense for the Twins as well, If there is a work stoppage for next year, you COULD be looking at just this year.

[Jays24]

Getting a really solid SP controllable through at least next season just makes so much sense.

 

Controllable players for at least next season should be our only move unless we're getting a total steal of a rental. This would be an awesome move but will damage the farm system quite a bit.

[Daniel Labude]

[5minutesforframing]

Scherzer to the Padres.

[Slade]

 

Padres are so good.

[DigitalRock]

An ace reliever we could have just kept but of course had no reason to at the time...

 

Imagine in the Jays had had a crystal ball and knew that Liam Hendriks and Ryan Tepera were going to become ace relievers and had kept both

 

Tepera was good the last few seasons here no?

[Spanky99]

God damn, hadn't realized Tepera has been that good, I mean, man, I knew he was doing good, not top 20 in MLB good.