Offseason Roster Thread (2020-2021)

[Brownie19]

Well....I'll take a big improvement from Roark, that's for sure. I just don't see it...but I hope I'm just missing something.

 

I'm just looking at their history. Roark and Walker have similar career FIP and xFIP and Roark isn't made of glass. Roark was horrid last year, but I think there's a decent chance he returns to the guy he was in 2018 and 2019 - while there's probably a good chance Walker doesn't eclipse 50 innings.

[saskjayfan]

I'm just looking at their history. Roark and Walker have similar career FIP and xFIP and Roark isn't made of glass. Roark was horrid last year, but I think there's a decent chance he returns to the guy he was in 2018 and 2019 - while there's probably a good chance Walker doesn't eclipse 50 innings.

 

Roark is 35 years old. He got rocked when he moved to the American League. That trend continued last year. I don't expect anything from Roark. His FIP in 2019 was 4.67. It's not like he was good. Walker is 27. He's had a lot of injuries. If I was going to gamble on upside, at least Walker has some. I really like Walker the person, but I'd rather sign Kluber if I was going to go the gambling route.

[Spanky99]

Yeah, Roark sucks, LR is his goal. Young guys work the 5th spot, Depth is real.

[saskjayfan]

I feel like David Price could be traded for a lottery ticket prospect or maybe the Dodgers take Stripling back. The Dodgers have been under the luxury tax the last 3 years. This would give them some payroll flexibility. He would be a nice add to this team. 2 years left on his deal. That fits in with the young kids coming up.

[The Iceman]

Roark's velo also dipped like 1.5 mph and is now dangerously close to 80 poo range. He's already 35 and in disgusting physical condition so there's no guarantee that it comes back.

 

That is NO WAY to talk about our big diesel (As he referred to himself after getting an early pull)

[Carlos Danger]

Roark's velo also dipped like 1.5 mph and is now dangerously close to 80 poo range. He's already 35 and in disgusting physical condition so there's no guarantee that it comes back.

 

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[Ray]

Could it be possible that Trevor Bauer has less of a market than we think? Seems to me like the more obvious fits on paper might not actually be:

 

- Dodgers: Have a larger hole at 3B, already have tons of rotation options.

- Mets: Got Carrasco, don't seem to want to pass the luxury tax threshold in their first year, but could be a suitor if no one else is.

- Angels: Everyone is saying this is the most obvious fit, but Arte Moreno rarely spends big on free agent pitchers, plus their payroll is already as high as it was last year due to the lack of money coming off the books. I'm hesitant to think that the same guy who let go of scouts and player development to reduce costs would also spend $30M on a starter.

- Padres: Lamet may be f***ed, so it may make sense, but I think they might try to fill the gap with someone cheaper. Already have a lot of large contracts on the books

- White Sox: maybe? Don't get the sense they'd drop big money on a starter either. Already added Lynn.

- Phillies: crying poor except for adding Realmuto

- Atlanta: Rotation seems fairly set, and they're probably looking at a big bat.

- Yankees: Possible, but apparently reports are saying they really don't want to surpass the tax? Also need to fill multiple rotation spots & infield.

 

Oddly enough, I could actually see teams like the Giants and Red Sox spending on him to gear up fo that competitive window opening up in a year or two. Both have cleared payroll in recent years so they have more than enough money. But if not, than maybe it's between us, the Mets, and maybe the Angels?

 

Watch Ross Atkins be the ultimate alpha and wait for Springer AND Bauer to fall into our laps.

[Abomination]

Could it be possible that Trevor Bauer has less of a market than we think? Seems to me like the more obvious fits on paper might not actually be:

 

- Dodgers: Have a larger hole at 3B, already have tons of rotation options.

- Mets: Got Carrasco, don't seem to want to pass the luxury tax threshold in their first year, but could be a suitor if no one else is.

- Angels: Everyone is saying this is the most obvious fit, but Arte Moreno rarely spends big on free agent pitchers, plus their payroll is already as high as it was last year due to the lack of money coming off the books. I'm hesitant to think that the same guy who let go of scouts and player development to reduce costs would also spend $30M on a starter.

- Padres: Lamet may be f***ed, so it may make sense, but I think they might try to fill the gap with someone cheaper. Already have a lot of large contracts on the books

- White Sox: maybe? Don't get the sense they'd drop big money on a starter either. Already added Lynn.

- Phillies: crying poor except for adding Realmuto

- Atlanta: Rotation seems fairly set, and they're probably looking at a big bat.

- Yankees: Possible, but apparently reports are saying they really don't want to surpass the tax? Also need to fill multiple rotation spots & infield.

 

Oddly enough, I could actually see teams like the Giants and Red Sox spending on him to gear up fo that competitive window opening up in a year or two. Both have cleared payroll in recent years so they have more than enough money. But if not, than maybe it's between us, the Mets, and maybe the Angels?

 

Watch Ross Atkins be the ultimate alpha and wait for Springer AND Bauer to fall into our laps.

 

I think someone will pony up, and I don't think it'll be us. The question is more whether it'll be a one year deal or a long-term one. The other question is what exactly IS Bauer. Is he an ace, or a durable #2/#3? He's been all of those things over the last four years.

[gruber92]

Could it be possible that Trevor Bauer has less of a market than we think? Seems to me like the more obvious fits on paper might not actually be:

 

- Dodgers: Have a larger hole at 3B, already have tons of rotation options.

- Mets: Got Carrasco, don't seem to want to pass the luxury tax threshold in their first year, but could be a suitor if no one else is.

- Angels: Everyone is saying this is the most obvious fit, but Arte Moreno rarely spends big on free agent pitchers, plus their payroll is already as high as it was last year due to the lack of money coming off the books. I'm hesitant to think that the same guy who let go of scouts and player development to reduce costs would also spend $30M on a starter.

- Padres: Lamet may be f***ed, so it may make sense, but I think they might try to fill the gap with someone cheaper. Already have a lot of large contracts on the books

- White Sox: maybe? Don't get the sense they'd drop big money on a starter either. Already added Lynn.

- Phillies: crying poor except for adding Realmuto

- Atlanta: Rotation seems fairly set, and they're probably looking at a big bat.

- Yankees: Possible, but apparently reports are saying they really don't want to surpass the tax? Also need to fill multiple rotation spots & infield.

 

Oddly enough, I could actually see teams like the Giants and Red Sox spending on him to gear up fo that competitive window opening up in a year or two. Both have cleared payroll in recent years so they have more than enough money. But if not, than maybe it's between us, the Mets, and maybe the Angels?

 

Watch Ross Atkins be the ultimate alpha and wait for Springer AND Bauer to fall into our laps.

 

"Watch Ross Atkins be the ultimate alpha and wait for Springer AND Bauer to fall into our laps".

 

Atkins an Alpha, LOL.

[G-Snarls]

Robert Murray

@ByRobertMurray

 

Source: Blue Jays, Ross Stripling settle at $3 million, avoiding arbitration.

[G-Snarls]

Robert Murray

@ByRobertMurray

 

Source: Blue Jays, Teoscar Hernandez settle at $4,325,000, avoiding arbitration.

[THANOS]

That brings us to like $76M or so now. So plenty of room to spend if they choose to.

 

Going to need to go above their models to sign Springer though if they want him. Same with Bauer, Realmuto, Kluber, Paxton, etc. Very few FAs are going to choose Toronto over other destinations of money and years are the same.

[Hipfan]

So $30M for Springer plus $15M for Ordorizzi, and maybe $12M for Paxton puts them at $135M total payroll. That would be a pretty solid offseason.

[G-Snarls]

So $30M for Springer plus $15M for Ordorizzi, and maybe $12M for Paxton puts them at $135M total payroll. That would be a pretty solid offseason.

 

I'd rather do Springer, one but not both of those starters and either trade for Bryant or sign Didi for 3B

[Ryu In My House]

I'd rather do Springer, one but not both of those starters and either trade for Bryant or sign Didi for 3B

 

Either way that would be an outstanding offseason. Those two SP adds might be worth + 4 WAR alone. Springer maybe + 3 WAR. Didi or Bryant would surely be a ~ 1.5 WAR add. That's a big deal. Not to mention the core is still super young and should continue improving.

[jaysguy44]

"You can either talk about spending money, or you can actually spend money"- Sid

 

So true, Jays front office is all talk. I don't know why I fall for Shapiro's bs anymore.

[Jays24]

"You can either talk about spending money, or you can actually spend money"- Sid

 

So true, Jays front office is all talk. I don't know why I fall for Shapiro's bs anymore.

 

Will wait until the offseason comes closer to its end. However, as great of a job as they've done building this team up till this point (even if it took 5 years), it's a whole different ball game adding the right final pieces in an effective manner. I have 0 clue how they'll do here...

[jerb]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Jays have checked in on Realmuto but seem more focused now on George Springer, as CF is their greater need. Battle on GS is with at least the Mets.

[Jays24]

 

Jon Heyman

@JonHeyman

 

Jays have checked in on Realmuto but seem more focused now on George Springer, as CF is their greater need. Battle on GS is with at least the Mets.

 

Would people be upset at a 6/150 deal for Springer? Last few years might suck but it might take that extra year for us to get him. Something we didn't seem to want to do for DJL.

[G-Snarls]

Would people be upset at a 6/150 deal for Springer? Last few years might suck but it might take that extra year for us to get him. Something we didn't seem to want to do for DJL.

 

Not anymore

 

I'm starting to think he's our only big possible get

 

Overpay for him or Bauer and try to find deals at other spots

[Brownie19]

Would people be upset at a 6/150 deal for Springer? Last few years might suck but it might take that extra year for us to get him. Something we didn't seem to want to do for DJL.

 

Springer is over a year younger, has a much longer track record and currently plays a premier position (of need for the Jays). He's definitely worth more than DJL. Seeing DJL get 6 years sets the bar and we should expect Springer will also get 6 years. DJL only got $15M/year - and seemingly took less AAV to get the 6th year.

 

I think Springer gets $20 - $25M AAV

 

If a surprise team gets involved or the Mets throw caution to the wind, I think the Jays need to give him 6 years / $150M and get outside their comfort zone. Otherwise, I think 6 years / $135M makes Springer a BJ (that's 50% more AAV than DJL, which accounts for him being better and the premium to come to the Jays).

 

If I'm the Jays, I front end it too. $35M,$30M, $25M, $20M, $15M, $10M. Springer gets his cash up front (compound interest) and gives the Jays more flexibility when Vlad, Bo, Biggy, Pearson, Teo need to get paid. To be honest, if you could get a front ended structure like this, I see no reason to lose him over $15M total either...get it done.

[connorp]

I’ve always thought the Springer market was 5/125 (which seems to be consensus) and it would take 6/150 to get him to come to TOR. Hopefully I’m wrong bc they prob won’t pay him that. I’d do it though

[Ray]

Kluber to the Yankees. 2 year deal.

[Jays24]

Kluber to the Yankees. 2 year deal.

 

Report: Yankees finalizing contract with 2-time Cy Young winner Kluber

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2092782

 

God dammit. Thought the Yankees rotation was going to be a joke after the DJL signing. Hope this is it for them...

[Spanky99]

Report: Yankees finalizing contract with 2-time Cy Young winner Kluber

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2092782

 

God dammit. Thought the Yankees rotation was going to be a joke after the DJL signing. Hope this is it for them...

 

Thing is Tanaka will still go to them as well, Yanks have a huge edge there.

[Deadpool]

I’ve always thought the Springer market was 5/125 (which seems to be consensus) and it would take 6/150 to get him to come to TOR. Hopefully I’m wrong bc they prob won’t pay him that. I’d do it though

 

I mean, there are still no other realistic suitors for Springer, so as much as I would probably be okay around either of those numbers, there's no sense raising your bid when there's zero competition.

[EZe]

Bauer 2/75 pls

[EZe]

Bauer 2/75 pls

 

Pitch whenever you want and be happy

[connorp]

I mean, there are still no other realistic suitors for Springer, so as much as I would probably be okay around either of those numbers, there's no sense raising your bid when there's zero competition.

 

We’ll see. Could see Red Sox, Braves, Houston, Mets still.. maybe SF. They’ve all probably checked in. A lot of teams were probably content to wait once they heard his initial demands. Jays weren’t shy to throw a 5/110 deal out there anyway.

[Spanky99]

Pitch whenever you want and be happy

 

lol... yup!