Fire Charlie Montoyo - The thread worked guys!

[TheHurl]

Shouldn't he worry about winning one first before back-to-back enters the equation?

 

Terminator is still in Olympic mode where a bronze medal is a win. Still funny that the majority of fans want what will be a 2 time finalist fired.

[The Iceman]

Terminator is still in Olympic mode where a bronze medal is a win. Still funny that the majority of fans want what will be a 2 time finalist fired.

 

Do you think he is a good manager?

With this roster and production the Jays should be clearly in coast mode with a comfy lead in the playoff race IMO.

Raps fired Casey 2 weeks before he was awarded coach of the year. And they then went out and won a world champonship.

[Dick_Pole]

Cheering for the Jays to go 13-6 the rest of the way so Montoyo can hit .500 all-time in his managing career.

 

I didn't read this thread for a few weeks but regarding the "decline" in off-topic posts or posts that otherwise need to be moderated probably has as much to do with the team no longer being a dumpster fire than anything else. 2017-19 was a terrible time to be a Jays fan but a great time to be a right-wing troll and an even better time to pick fights with dummies on here. Even this year with the frustrating losses and bullpen misadventures, we all knew this team was good and that's where the focus of conversation should lie.

 

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[BlueRocky]

He's going to win the MLB Manager of the year this year and then win the AAA Manager of the year next year.

 

10 year extension

[Krylian]

Do you think he is a good manager?

With this roster and production the Jays should be clearly in coast mode with a comfy lead in the playoff race IMO.

Raps fired Casey 2 weeks before he was awarded coach of the year. And they then went out and won a world champonship.

 

Who is the Kawhi that the Jays will add for this to happen?

[glory]

I've already accepted the fact that he's going to stay next season, and if the Jays make the Wild Card game, he might end up getting extended, so might as well embrace the ineptitude and hope he Ned Yost's his way to a championship.

[BlueRocky]

Who is the Kawhi that the Jays will add for this to happen?

 

Wouldn’t mind trading the farm for Mike Trout

[Krylian]

Wouldn’t mind trading the farm for Mike Trout

 

Lourdes and Biggio. That pretty much equals DeRozan.

[Terminator]

Back to back? When did he win the first?

 

s*** you're right he was just a finalist.

[wilko]

[Spanky99]

 

lmfao

[TheHurl]

Do you think he is a good manager?

With this roster and production the Jays should be clearly in coast mode with a comfy lead in the playoff race IMO.

Raps fired Casey 2 weeks before he was awarded coach of the year. And they then went out and won a world champonship.

 

I think that a manager's in game decisions make little difference in a season. If the team is happy with Charley it probably has more impact than him throwing darts to make decisions.

[Jays24]

8 0 game, use Richards .

6 1 game, use Soria.

 

f***ing idiot

[bones10]

8 0 game, use Richards .

6 1 game, use Soria.

 

f***ing idiot

 

yes very dumb. Merryweather and Pearson need to see work in these type of games.

[TwistedLogic]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

[BCZ]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

 

The ploy makes the most sense. Nobody could be that stupid.

[Jimcanuck]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

 

Would like to hear what the O's manager thinks. Probably would say the same thing.

 

Anyway, funny the Rays manager would compliment Montoya for "consistency", when the Rays are the most inconsistent run team of them all.

[Omar]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

 

Cash is a genius.

 

[keggy]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

 

We've known about Pythagorean winning% since the 1980s, and Cash is one of the biggest stat-tard managers in baseball. There's no way he doesn't realize the guy chasing him in the standings is underperforming his record.

 

Rays FO definitely playing 6D analytics through the press.

 

Or Cash is just being nice to an old friend, whatevs.

[Jonn]

Kevin Cash is the one that pulled Snell early never forget.

[keggy]

Kevin Cash is the one that pulled Snell early never forget.

 

Exactly the point. Cash is so married to simple analytics he thinks the aggregate third time through the order penalty is more predictive of Snell's future performance than an ace spinning a historic dominant outing.

 

Then he brings in a broken reliever in Nick Anderson because he thinks a large sample size of good relief during the regular season is more predictive than 10 recent outings in a row of getting destroyed.

 

Cash is a clown because he applies analytics without thinking. Montoyo is a clown because he doesn't seem to have a plan at all.

[Olerud363]

Kevin Cash is the one that pulled Snell early never forget.

 

He pulled Rasmussen early too. Not exactly the same as Snell. However Rasmussen has gone as high as 74 pitches but was pulled at 52 while "dominating".

 

Then he let Wacha go 90+ after getting hit around. I guess he didn't want to waste relievers when there was a lower probability of a win.

[dineke]

Pretty sure the rays are managed by a computer. Does anyone still think Joe maddon is a genius especially after his antics in the world series?

[Olerud363]

Kevin Cash unironically believes Charlie Montoyo should be manager of the year.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/rays-skip-thinks-blue-jays-charlie-montoyo-manager-year/

 

I wonder if this is a ploy to get the Jays to keep him so he can continue losing games and indirectly benefitting the Rays.

 

It's weird how everyone except Hurl thinks Charlie is costing the Jays big time.

 

One of the hard things in baseball is sorting through the mid to late 20s guys trying to find who is going to be the next EE/Bautista.

 

Charlie did a great job of sorting through Gurriel/Teoscar/MckKinney/Drury/Fisher and giving all a chance to win a job which Gurriel and Teoscar did.

 

Was it obvious in early 2019 that Gurriel and Teoscar would be the guys? Most dissed Drury I think, but I remember people also dissing Gurriel for babip, dissing Teoscar, thinking McKinney was the next Justin Upton. The wrong manager could of just platooned Mckinney and Fisher with Gurriel and Hernandez and been stubborn about it and allocated the lefties too much playing time, or fell in love with Drury.

[Olerud363]

Also does Charlie get any credit for how he handled Guerrero? There were for sure a couple of low points where maybe others would of sent him down. That's more of an organization thing.

 

I guess I tend to give him 'credit' for quarterbacking the coaching staff and helping develop talent. Maybe that's not the way it really works, but I mean there are two hitting coaches, who decides when someone needs to work with Bichette instead of Martinez? Who decides when it's time for Pete Walker to change someones mechanics and when to leave them alone? An organization thing I am sure, but if Charlie is working well in that system that's important.

[The Cats Ass]

It's weird how everyone except Hurl thinks Charlie is costing the Jays big time.

 

One of the hard things in baseball is sorting through the mid to late 20s guys trying to find who is going to be the next EE/Bautista.

 

Charlie did a great job of sorting through Gurriel/Teoscar/MckKinney/Drury/Fisher and giving all a chance to win a job which Gurriel and Teoscar did.

 

Was it obvious in early 2019 that Gurriel and Teoscar would be the guys? Most dissed Drury I think, but I remember people also dissing Gurriel for babip, dissing Teoscar, thinking McKinney was the next Justin Upton. The wrong manager could of just platooned Mckinney and Fisher with Gurriel and Hernandez and been stubborn about it and allocated the lefties too much playing time, or fell in love with Drury.

 

Also does Charlie get any credit for how he handled Guerrero? There were for sure a couple of low points where maybe others would of sent him down. That's more of an organization thing.

 

I guess I tend to give him 'credit' for quarterbacking the coaching staff and helping develop talent. Maybe that's not the way it really works, but I mean there are two hitting coaches, who decides when someone needs to work with Bichette instead of Martinez? Who decides when it's time for Pete Walker to change someones mechanics and when to leave them alone? An organization thing I am sure, but if Charlie is working well in that system that's important.

 

I'm not sure Charlie should get credit for any of that. Most of what you listed would probably be someone else on this list... https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/team/front-office-directory

[Omar]

He pulled Rasmussen early too. Not exactly the same as Snell. However Rasmussen has gone as high as 74 pitches but was pulled at 52 while "dominating".

 

Then he let Wacha go 90+ after getting hit around. I guess he didn't want to waste relievers when there was a lower probability of a win.

 

 

Kevin Cash' record speaks for itself. You can point to his missteps after the fact but he gets the most out of his roster. If he were the Jays skipper how many more wins would we have? 3? 5? 10? I think the man is on another level and his influence will extend to future managers.

[The Cats Ass]

I think this hot September bought Montoyo some more time on the team. I'm almost certain they'll keep him around and he'll start the year with the team. I could see them replacing him with John Schneider if the team starts cold though and is under performing to start the year.

[Laika]

Also does Charlie get any credit for how he handled Guerrero? There were for sure a couple of low points where maybe others would of sent him down. That's more of an organization thing.

 

I guess I tend to give him 'credit' for quarterbacking the coaching staff and helping develop talent. Maybe that's not the way it really works, but I mean there are two hitting coaches, who decides when someone needs to work with Bichette instead of Martinez? Who decides when it's time for Pete Walker to change someones mechanics and when to leave them alone? An organization thing I am sure, but if Charlie is working well in that system that's important.

 

There are lots of good developmental examples and you have to gave Charlie some credit.

 

Kirk has been good from the start at a young age, and despite lots of outside criticism about his body.

Manoah has been good from the start.

Ray and Matz are comfortable and exceeding expectations.

The culture in the dugout is fantastic. The players have fun, most of them are doing very well.

 

You can go on and on.

[Olerud363]

Kevin Cash' record speaks for itself. You can point to his missteps after the fact but he gets the most out of his roster. If he were the Jays skipper how many more wins would we have? 3? 5? 10? I think the man is on another level and his influence will extend to future managers.

 

I wasn't pointing out these examples as 'missteps' but as cool moves.

 

Pulling a guy pitching a shut out at 52 pitches? Then letting a guy go 90 pitches the next day after giving up runs early?

 

It's actually kind of interesting. Part of it is that Wacha is a long time starter so is allowed to go further, but it seems they allocate the bullpen innings with game probabilities. If the win probability is still around 40 to 60 they might go to the relievers early to try and nail the win, if the win probability is low or high they might let the starter go deeper as to not waste the bullpen.

 

Fascinating that in some cases they let a struggling starter go further.