General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[The Iceman]

Had Bryant in my fantasy pool. I dropped him and he was not picked up.

 

I would stay FAR FAR away from this player at the $20 million-ish amount he will earn. Strikes out too much for my liking and is trending down.

Like you say he still is a name player so I don't think he would go for a bargain.

[LGBJ29]

Had Bryant in my fantasy pool. I dropped him and he was not picked up.

 

I would stay FAR FAR away from this player at the $20 million-ish amount he will earn. Strikes out too much for my liking and is trending down.

Like you say he still is a name player so I don't think he would go for a bargain.

 

He is 28 and put up 4.8 fWAR in 2019 and averaged 5.6 from 2015-2019. He had a bad 34 games.

 

The jays should strongly consider going after him despite the inactivity in The Iceman's fantasy baseball league.

[dineke]

I wouldn't be opposed to going after Bryant or Baez if the cubs are going to blow it up.

[The Cats Ass]

He is 28 and put up 4.8 fWAR in 2019 and averaged 5.6 from 2015-2019. He had a bad 34 games.

 

The jays should strongly consider going after him despite the inactivity in The Iceman's fantasy baseball league.

 

What are you talking about. Jays should totally rely on Iceman's fantasy league for player evaluation.

[Spanky99]

I think it'd be a little funnier if baldilocks was here... lol

 

F U HURL!!!

[Grant77]

This might e a silly question in normal times, but is it a lock that they will tender Bryant a contract? Just the fact that we have to ask the question should say a lot about his potential acquisition cost.

[saskjayfan]

This might e a silly question in normal times, but is it a lock that they will tender Bryant a contract? Just the fact that we have to ask the question should say a lot about his potential acquisition cost.

 

That would be a hilarious turn of events after they fought it out over when he would be a free agent. I'd still rather target Justin Turner. My initial thought was he'd just resign, but given Seager is a free agent next year and Bellinger the year after that combined with Turner's age there may be a shot. I could see the Dodgers in on Bauer as well. Bit of a long shot, but if the Dodgers don't decide to resign him we should be all over Turner for a short term deal.

 

I still think Paxton might be a great play for pitching. The injury risk is immense, but the discount could be tempting. We rolled the injury dice with Ryu. One year in, albeit in a short season, he didn't miss a start.

[Grant77]

That would be a hilarious turn of events after they fought it out over when he would be a free agent. I'd still rather target Justin Turner. My initial thought was he'd just resign, but given Seager is a free agent next year and Bellinger the year after that combined with Turner's age there may be a shot. I could see the Dodgers in on Bauer as well. Bit of a long shot, but if the Dodgers don't decide to resign him we should be all over Turner for a short term deal.

 

I still think Paxton might be a great play for pitching. The injury risk is immense, but the discount could be tempting. We rolled the injury dice with Ryu. One year in, albeit in a short season, he didn't miss a start.

 

I'm a strong advocate of a Turner signing. I think he's an excellent fit for us, with a term with will mesh with Groshans and a lot of postseason experience.

[Ryu In My House]

Oh, I wouldn't be upset if we took him on for a season or more, lol. If the price were a bit more than what the Dodgers gave up, I'd be down. Lindor would be dreamy on this club, move Bichette to 3rd and that solves the left side of the infield. Next sign Bauer and Springer! *Big Dreams*

 

I thought Groshans was earmarked for 3B, doesn't he have a stronger arm? Bichette to 2B maybe? And when/where does Martin fit in?

[Krylian]

I thought Groshans was earmarked for 3B, doesn't he have a stronger arm? Bichette to 2B maybe? And when/where does Martin fit in?

 

Groshans is expected to move to 3B, but realistically planning on that happening with a player that's barely had any games in full season ball would be foolish. There are high hopes, but he hasn't played a pro game in what, a year and a half? If things go well...Groshans, Bichette, Biggio, Martin, + potential FA/Trade makes things very competitive and crowded. I'd rather have too many quality players than not enough.

[Orgfiller]

I thought Groshans was earmarked for 3B, doesn't he have a stronger arm? Bichette to 2B maybe? And when/where does Martin fit in?

 

Groshans is expected to move to 3B by scouts because he's tall for a SS and there aren't many tall SS around because once their frame fills out they tend to lose range. That doesn't mean he will move to 3B, and the team has yet to make any indication that they view Groshans as anything but a SS. Like Krylian points out, he missed a year of development time in 2019, is 20 years old and is very far away, so he should have no bearing on our moves for the next 2-3 seasons at least.

 

Martin was drafted as a SS, so this means the team thinks he's a good defender despite most of his experience at the college level coming at 3B - and some OF I think? How current MLB players will fit in with guys that are 2 years away or acquisitions along the way is a futile thought exercise. The question should be whether Bichette is good enough to stick at SS, and whether we should start exploring him at other positions if someone comes along who is a much better defender and a significant upgrade to team - e.g. Francisco Lindor.

[Stangstag]

Everyone sleeping on Bauer to the Angels. Pujols coming off the books soon, they could probably afford another mega contract.

[TheHurl]

Everyone sleeping on Bauer to the Angels. Pujols coming off the books soon, they could probably afford another mega contract.

 

I good see that. I don't know that they meet a lot of his criteria but they could probably use an upgrade off the field too

[glory]

I wouldn't be opposed to going after Bryant or Baez if the cubs are going to blow it up.

 

I would be fine with either one, but Bryant seems more of a fit considering he plays 3B, is going to be way more expensive in arb (so lesser acquisition cost), and a better hitter. If the Jays are in a rush to move Bo off SS, then Baez might make more sense in that scenario, but if they are willing to ride it out for a bit waiting for Groshans/Martin to supplant him, then a 3B would be a better fit. Especially one with Bryant's upside, even if it's only for a year. I doubt it will take a real prospect to get him either.

[Brownie19]

I would be fine with either one, but Bryant seems more of a fit considering he plays 3B, is going to be way more expensive in arb (so lesser acquisition cost), and a better hitter. If the Jays are in a rush to move Bo off SS, then Baez might make more sense in that scenario, but if they are willing to ride it out for a bit waiting for Groshans/Martin to supplant him, then a 3B would be a better fit. Especially one with Bryant's upside, even if it's only for a year. I doubt it will take a real prospect to get him either.

 

Even for 1 year - it's going to take a real prospect to get Kris Bryant.

[connorp]

Well if the Jays feel the need to add a guy like Bryant or Turner that’ll prob mean we’ll take a serious run at Tommy La Stella, who wouldn’t be the worst signing I guess

[jaysguy44]

If you’re a team looking for a CF, you have to play for George Springer. That’s Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, Mets, more. Dynamic player. Clutch. - Heyman

[dineke]

I would be fine with either one, but Bryant seems more of a fit considering he plays 3B, is going to be way more expensive in arb (so lesser acquisition cost), and a better hitter. If the Jays are in a rush to move Bo off SS, then Baez might make more sense in that scenario, but if they are willing to ride it out for a bit waiting for Groshans/Martin to supplant him, then a 3B would be a better fit. Especially one with Bryant's upside, even if it's only for a year. I doubt it will take a real prospect to get him either.

 

Think they would just ride it out with Bryant on his final year if they can't even get a real prospect for him. A player they might give away is Jason Heyward, contract is too risky though and OF isn't too big of a concern.

[glory]

By real prospect, I meant a top prospect. A one year rental for a player making over $20m during Covid season may not be as appealing to teams as it otherwise would be. I think you're right that them holding on to Bryant for a year might be better for them. I don't see a team giving up significant prospect capital in that type of trade this winter (Lindor might be the exception) but maybe I'm wrong.

[The Iceman]

Can the Jays find a taker for Grichuk? In a real baseball trade??

 

Not sure if it would be selling high exactly but management was HIGH when they thought he was worth the $$$ they signed him for.

No interest in moving Teoscar or Guiriel. Team needs a CF and LF and RF are spoken for.

[Laika]

Can the Jays find a taker for Grichuk? In a real baseball trade??

 

Not sure if it would be selling high exactly but management was HIGH when they thought he was worth the $$$ they signed him for.

No interest in moving Teoscar or Guiriel. Team needs a CF and LF and RF are spoken for.

 

I don't think he has any value. They would probably have to find a contract swap.

 

3 years and $31M remaining...

 

Kyle Gibson? I dunno.

[connorp]

Can the Jays find a taker for Grichuk? In a real baseball trade??

 

Not sure if it would be selling high exactly but management was HIGH when they thought he was worth the $$$ they signed him for.

No interest in moving Teoscar or Guiriel. Team needs a CF and LF and RF are spoken for.

 

I bet you if team signed Springer, Grichuk would still get 400+ PA’s as a 4th OF. Not saying it’d be worth the money but it wouldn’t be a sunk cost.

 

I don’t think it should prevent them from looking. Definitely need an upgrade but I don’t think there’d be takers for him.

[Spanky99]

Can the Jays find a taker for Grichuk? In a real baseball trade??

 

Not sure if it would be selling high exactly but management was HIGH when they thought he was worth the $$$ they signed him for.

No interest in moving Teoscar or Guiriel. Team needs a CF and LF and RF are spoken for.

 

Who's our 4th OF'er then? If the Jays want to be a contender, he's the 4th OF'er you need. He's been worth his contract, he really doesn't make a lot of money. Geez.

[Stangstag]

I bet you if team signed Springer, Grichuk would still get 400+ PA’s as a 4th OF. Not saying it’d be worth the money but it wouldn’t be a sunk cost.

 

I don’t think it should prevent them from looking. Definitely need an upgrade but I don’t think there’d be takers for him.

 

In that scenario, Grichuk would also be an excellent backup option in case Teo/Lourdes/Springer get injured. I could see him filling the same roll Pollock does for the Dodgers.

[max silver]

I bet you if team signed Springer, Grichuk would still get 400+ PA’s as a 4th OF. Not saying it’d be worth the money but it wouldn’t be a sunk cost.

 

I don’t think it should prevent them from looking. Definitely need an upgrade but I don’t think there’d be takers for him.

 

Yeah there would be plenty of at bats to go around for Grichuk. Gurriel is pretty injury prone so he seems to be a lock to miss a chunk of time, and Teoscar is a guy you'd want to DH from time to time to avoid him bungling plays in the outfield where possible.

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think the presence of Grichuk has much, or any, impact on a Jays decision to pursue an elite guy like Springer.

[Spanky99]

I don't think the presence of Grichuk has much, or any, impact on a Jays decision to pursue an elite guy like Springer.

 

Yeah, none at all.

[Krylian]

I don't think the presence of Grichuk has much, or any, impact on a Jays decision to pursue an elite guy like Springer.

 

Randal will still be the looker of the outfield so all is good.

[Stangstag]

Randal will still be the looker of the outfield so all is good.

 

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[JuneBug]

Randal will still be the looker of the outfield so all is good.

 

no offense intended but your comment suggests that you are a homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that, )