General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[Jays24]

Man... are baseball players just so out of shape that they get injured at the slightest touch?

 

I understand pitchers with their arms/hands and hitters with their obliques because of the violent swings. All other injuries in a non contact sport are crazy.

 

Go do some damn yoga or some weight training for f***s sake. Its your job to try to remain healthy as possible.

[The Iceman]

Word is when Pearson is back it will be out of the pen for the first time in his career. Won't be ble to build up innings in time.

 

Why not use him as an opener and however far he goes god bless him. If he can be built up to 4-5 innings by the playoffs good enough.

[Stangstag]

Feels like such a bad time to lose 2 of our best hitters... 8 games to go against the Yanks still. Lets hope Bo comes back healthy and swinging

[Terminator]

Word is when Pearson is back it will be out of the pen for the first time in his career. Won't be ble to build up innings in time.

 

Why not use him as an opener and however far he goes god bless him. If he can be built up to 4-5 innings by the playoffs good enough.

 

They said they wanted to keep him on some sort of a schedule so using him as a 2 inning opener for now might not be a bad idea. Could follow him with Ray as the primary pitcher.

[Terminator]

Feels like such a bad time to lose 2 of our best hitters... 8 games to go against the Yanks still. Lets hope Bo comes back healthy and swinging

 

 

Yeah not good. Hopefully Bo and Giles come back soon and everyone gets healthy for the playoffs.

[BlueRocky]

Or get a f***ing scale that works. I guarantee you half of those guys aren't even close to their posted weight.

 

The scale is accurate with a margin of error @ 30 lbs.

[BlueRocky]

Word is when Pearson is back it will be out of the pen for the first time in his career. Won't be ble to build up innings in time.

 

Why not use him as an opener and however far he goes god bless him. If he can be built up to 4-5 innings by the playoffs good enough.

Won’t be that big of an issue. Most of our starters don’t go deep, he will have opportunities to pitch 3 innings.

 

Pearson was practically an opener in double-A, alternating between 2 IP and 5 IP starts. His arm also isn’t built up for a full season workload. He also pitches out of the BP in spring training.

[Ryu In My House]

Won’t be that big of an issue. Most of our starters don’t go deep, he will have opportunities to pitch 3 innings.

 

Pearson was practically an opener in double-A, alternating between 2 IP and 5 IP starts. His arm also isn’t built up for a full season workload. He also pitches out of the BP in spring training.

 

Sanchez in 2015, or was it 2016, was lights out in a relief role before he was made a starter. Maybe Pearson will enjoy the same success. You can just stick to your best two pitches and let 'er rip.

[Boxcar]

Man... are baseball players just so out of shape that they get injured at the slightest touch?

 

I understand pitchers with their arms/hands and hitters with their obliques because of the violent swings. All other injuries in a non contact sport are crazy.

 

Go do some damn yoga or some weight training for f***s sake. Its your job to try to remain healthy as possible.

 

Yeah, Yoga would prevent a knee sprain

 

Are you retarded?

[Jimcanuck]

Yeah, Yoga would prevent a knee sprain

 

Are you retarded?

 

His general sentiment is correct though. Better fitness generally means less injury.

 

Are you wanting to be banned again?

[Boxcar]

His general sentiment is correct though. Better fitness generally means less injury.

 

Are you wanting to be banned again?

 

No, I was asking a question because I am unfamiliar with this poster. If he is retarded, I'll treat him more charitably because his brain compartments don't work properly.

 

And yeah, fitness leads to fewer injuries. If only Teoscar Hernandez, Anthony Alford, Bo Bichette, Aaron Judge, Giancarlo Stanton were more fit, they wouldn't be hurt.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Boxcar

[Slade]

 

Brutual.

[Jonn]

Probably gave up on Vogelbach to soon. Would have given Smoak a look. It would be nice if we had any kind of impact prospect ready to play in Rochester but we don’t.

[M.E.]

Tanner Roark on being pulled after 4 innings, "I think that's horse crap" Not going to get free agent pitchers if Shitoya continues to treat them all like relievers

[Laika]

Tanner Roark on being pulled after 4 innings, "I think that's horse crap" Not going to get free agent pitchers if Shitoya continues to treat them all like relievers

 

Free agency can have Tanner Roark back. Fine.

[Jonn]

Roark is probably not the right guy to say it but somebody needed to say it. Starters need to be allowed to go deeper into starts plain and simple. The Stripling move could have easily worked out it didn’t. Stripling should probably be starting over Roark though at this point.

[King]

Roark is probably not the right guy to say it but somebody needed to say it. Starters need to be allowed to go deeper into starts plain and simple. The Stripling move could have easily worked out it didn’t. Stripling should probably be starting over Roark though at this point.

Starters are allowed to go deep into games. Just not s***** ones. Tanner Roark f***ing sucks and should probably pitch better if he wants to go more than 2 times through the order on a consistent basis.

[glory]

Tanner Roark on being pulled after 4 innings, "I think that's horse crap" Not going to get free agent pitchers if Shitoya continues to treat them all like relievers

 

I see Roark's point, but a s***** pitcher facing a lineup for the 3rd time in a tie game is probably not the high percentage move. I would have kept Roark in to see if he could eat up 5 innings (just because the pen is so overused/depleted), but I saw no issues with pulling him after 4 since Stripling could eat up 3-4 innings right after. It just didn't work out.

 

I guarantee if the Jays signed Trevor Bauer this winter, he wouldn't be pulled after 4 in the same spot. How good the pitcher is makes a pretty big difference. Roark is a below average 5 IP starter. His best attribute is staying healthy.

[Terminator]

Starters are allowed to go deep into games. Just not s***** ones. Tanner Roark f***ing sucks and should probably pitch better if he wants to go more than 2 times through the order on a consistent basis.

 

Atkins has been doing a very good job but the Roark signing from the moment the deal was announced reminded me of the Morales signing. Overall not that significant but a bad deal nonetheless. The Jays probably wouldn't have even have bothered with him if they knew they were going to get Ryu.

[Jimcanuck]

My thought at the time of the Roark signing was..... insignificant stopgap. Just a guy to provide some innings until something better comes along.

[BigCecil]

Just watched Roark interview. Fk. Far be it for me to defend Buntoyo but Roark is the wrong guy to complain about being yanked. He is walking too many and getting lit. Want to stay in longer? Pitch better. Fk off.

[G-Snarls]

Ya. After last season this must have been their thinking. It’s amazing to me a back end guy journeyman like him can make that kind of money. His starts have been painful to watch.

 

They nabbed him when they could and have acquired better starters since

 

Hopefully they can afford to trade him at some point just for the roster spot and salary dump

[glory]

They nabbed him when they could and have acquired better starters since

 

Hopefully they can afford to trade him at some point just for the roster spot and salary dump

 

It would have been hard to move him even in a normal season, but the off season after a truncated season with no fans, I doubt any team wants to touch Roark's contract. Best case would be moving him for an equally bad contract. The only one I can think of is something like Familia on the Mets. Then again Shatkins loves SP depth, even if it's below average, so I think they hold on to Roark. His best attribute (staying healthy) will mean more over 162 games. Maybe use him in the Sam Gaviglio 2019 role and just have him mop up innings to save the pen.

[Stangstag]

Just watched Roark interview. Fk. Far be it for me to defend Buntoyo but Roark is the wrong guy to complain about being yanked. He is walking too many and getting lit. Want to stay in longer? Pitch better. Fk off.

 

I understand his frustration, its a rough combination of his talents declining and the game/analytics changing. He gets a big 24 million dollar contract in the offseason which puffs up his ego a bit, so he thinks he’s entitled to pitch 7 innings like old times. But the talent isn’t where it used to be, the game is changing, and he can’t keep up.

 

He’s looking at it from the wrong perspective IMO, his thought process SHOULD be “hey this team is paying me a lot of money and they have it in their best interest to get the best possible production out of me, so I’ll do whatever they need me to do”. Instead his ego is controlling the conversation.

[Laika]

Yeah Roark's talents look a lot worse in a season like this. They have 10 arms in the pen on any given night and at least half of them can pitch multiple innings so there is never a justification for satisfying Tanner Roark's masochism and letting him throw until the other team gets tired from hitting too many dingers.

 

Next year in a (hopefully) regular 162 game season this won't really be an issue. The team will probably let him start regularly and go deeper, unless they are blessed by perfect SP health and talent pushes Roark out of the rotation. Nobody will trade for him anyway.

[Deadpool]

I understand his frustration, its a rough combination of his talents declining and the game/analytics changing. He gets a big 24 million dollar contract in the offseason which puffs up his ego a bit, so he thinks he’s entitled to pitch 7 innings like old times. But the talent isn’t where it used to be, the game is changing, and he can’t keep up.

 

He’s looking at it from the wrong perspective IMO, his thought process SHOULD be “hey this team is paying me a lot of money and they have it in their best interest to get the best possible production out of me, so I’ll do whatever they need me to do”. Instead his ego is controlling the conversation.

 

Yeah, but forgetting specifically about Roark here for a second. I'd really like to bring Walker back in the offseason, but he's been pulled early in both of his starts now (once justifiably, once not IMO) and he was PISSED about being pulled the first time. He's going to think twice about re-signing with us if he's getting pulled early consistently. The high performance team may be 100% correct, but they can't account for something like that, and it SHOULD be a consideration (less so with Roark, 'cause I'd be fine if he just got so angry he retired, but players DO talk, and if he has a bad experience here and some free agents call him to ask what it was like pitching here...)

[Boxcar]

Yeah, but forgetting specifically about Roark here for a second. I'd really like to bring Walker back in the offseason, but he's been pulled early in both of his starts now (once justifiably, once not IMO) and he was PISSED about being pulled the first time. He's going to think twice about re-signing with us if he's getting pulled early consistently. The high performance team may be 100% correct, but they can't account for something like that, and it SHOULD be a consideration (less so with Roark, 'cause I'd be fine if he just got so angry he retired, but players DO talk, and if he has a bad experience here and some free agents call him to ask what it was like pitching here...)

 

Walker sucks, why do you want him re-signed? I'd much rather spend that money on someone good.

[Brownie19]

Yeah, but forgetting specifically about Roark here for a second. I'd really like to bring Walker back in the offseason, but he's been pulled early in both of his starts now (once justifiably, once not IMO) and he was PISSED about being pulled the first time. He's going to think twice about re-signing with us if he's getting pulled early consistently. The high performance team may be 100% correct, but they can't account for something like that, and it SHOULD be a consideration (less so with Roark, 'cause I'd be fine if he just got so angry he retired, but players DO talk, and if he has a bad experience here and some free agents call him to ask what it was like pitching here...)

 

Good managers talk to their players, educate them on the reasoning behind the decisions and generate buy in from all levels. It can be easier said than done of course, but that's on Charlie.

 

Did Roark already forget what happened in his previous start when Charlie left him in to start the 6th and he immediately got LIT UP and gave up the lead without getting an out?

[Deadpool]

Walker sucks, why do you want him re-signed? I'd much rather spend that money on someone good.

 

Who do you have in mind to come in as a #3-4 or so? He's better than the garbage we got this off season, and he's also much cheaper. I'm not interested in bringing him back on a Roarkesque deal, and if he wants that I'd definitely pass, but he's making $2M this year to be better than any of our starters not named Ryu this year.

[Deadpool]

Good managers talk to their players, educate them on the reasoning behind the decisions and generate buy in from all levels. It can be easier said than done of course, but that's on Charlie.

 

Did Roark already forget what happened in his previous start when Charlie left him in to start the 6th and he immediately got LIT UP and gave up the lead without getting an out?

 

"LIT UP" is a bit... well, revisionist history. He allowed two runs to score that inning AND got 2 outs. Those, BTW, are the only 2 runs he's given up as a Jay so far.