Offseason Starting Pitcher Options

[Todd Van Anus]

Let's cut the crap and get hardcore: who are some potential realistic starting pitcher options for the Jays this offseason? Either via trade or free agency. I think this team is 1 year and 1-2 stud starting pitchers away from being a real force. I'd love to sign Gerrit Cole and would pay him like a high end escort, but he's probably not a realistic option. So let's hear it...don't beat around the bush and act like a panzy...who are some realistic options?

[jays4life19]

Michael Wacha and Michael Pineda could be nice buy lows.

[Todd Van Anus]

Michael Wacha and Michael Pineda could be nice buy lows.

 

I like how your mind works...good options! You're definitely not a panzy.

[glory]

In trades? Kluber and Archer might be available if the Indians and Pirates want to dump salary (and in Pitts case they will have a new front office that are more likely to tank than try to win now). I would think you wouldn't need to give up a top prospect to acquire either of those guys if they were available. Although, Archer signed one of those "I'll bend over and let Tampa F me for my entire prime" contracts so he's still cheap enough for the Pirates to hold on to even if they rebuild.

 

In free agency, the middle group of free agent Sp's are probably all realistic. Gibson, Pineda, Roark, Miley, Porcello, etc, etc.

[saskjayfan]

In trades? Kluber and Archer might be available if the Indians and Pirates want to dump salary (and in Pitts case they will have a new front office that are more likely to tank than try to win now). I would think you wouldn't need to give up a top prospect to acquire either of those guys if they were available. Although, Archer signed one of those "I'll bend over and let Tampa F me for my entire prime" contracts so he's still cheap enough for the Pirates to hold on to even if they rebuild.

 

In free agency, the middle group of free agent Sp's are probably all realistic. Gibson, Pineda, Roark, Miley, Porcello, etc, etc.

 

I'd roll the dice on alex wood if his discount is deep enough.

[Todd Van Anus]

In trades? Kluber and Archer might be available if the Indians and Pirates want to dump salary (and in Pitts case they will have a new front office that are more likely to tank than try to win now). I would think you wouldn't need to give up a top prospect to acquire either of those guys if they were available. Although, Archer signed one of those "I'll bend over and let Tampa F me for my entire prime" contracts so he's still cheap enough for the Pirates to hold on to even if they rebuild.

 

In free agency, the middle group of free agent Sp's are probably all realistic. Gibson, Pineda, Roark, Miley, Porcello, etc, etc.

Kluber and Archer would be a wet dream. What do you think it'd cost to land either of those guys? Pirates would want a s*** ton of bricks for Archer, considering how much they gave to acquire him.

[Brownie19]

Kluber and Archer would be a wet dream. What do you think it'd cost to land either of those guys? Pirates would want a s*** ton of bricks for Archer, considering how much they gave to acquire him.

 

That's not how it works + the GM who gave those pieces up is gone + Meadows/Glasnow are both in about the 95th percentile of potential outcomes. TB lucked out beyond their wildest dreams.

 

Archer would be a nice target at the right price.

[Todd Van Anus]

That's not how it works + the GM who gave those pieces up is gone + Meadows/Glasnow are both in about the 95th percentile of potential outcomes. TB lucked out beyond their wildest dreams.

 

Archer would be a nice target at the right price.

 

So then what do you think it would cost to get Archer wearing a Blue Jays jock strap in 2020?

[wamco]

I could see Kirk or Moreno moved in a trade or one of orelvis Martinez/ hiraldo

[Jimcanuck]

I could see Kirk or Moreno moved in a trade or one of orelvis Martinez/ hiraldo

 

Is it the right time to make that type of deal though. All of these guys should be more valuable a year from now, after another year of development and being closer to the majors. Orelvis for example should reach full season A ball in 2020, or even start there and elevate to A+ by the end of the season.

 

Also, a philosophy of sustained winning means you don't trade your high end prospects and in fact even when the team is a contender, you are still trying to acquire elite prospect types.

[wamco]

I agree. I just meant If they are gonna look to make a trade for a big piece, you have to give to get.

 

Could move a teoscar type OF this offseason as well of course for a bullpen arm or something

[Spanky99]

Starting Pitchers

 

Brett Anderson (32)

Chris Archer (31) — $9MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout

Jake Arrieta (34) — can opt out of remaining one year and $20MM unless Phillies exercise a two-year, $40MM option

Homer Bailey (34)

Clay Buchholz (35)

Madison Bumgarner (30)

Trevor Cahill (32)

Andrew Cashner (33) — $10MM vesting/player option

Jhoulys Chacin (32)

Yu Darvish (33) — can opt out of remaining four years and $81MM

Gerrit Cole (29)

Ross Detwiler (34)

Marco Estrada (36)

Kyle Gibson (32)

Gio Gonzalez (34)

Kendall Graveman (29) – $3MM club option

Cole Hamels (36)

Matt Harvey (31)

Jeremy Hellickson (33)

Felix Hernandez (34)

Rich Hill (40)

Edwin Jackson (36)

Dallas Keuchel (32)

Josh Lindblom (33)

Wade Miley (33)

Shelby Miller (29)

Matt Moore (31)

Ivan Nova (33)

Jake Odorizzi (30)

Martin Perez (29) — $7MM club option with a $500K buyout

Michael Pineda (30)

Drew Pomeranz (31)

Rick Porcello (31)

Jose Quintana (31) — $11.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout

JC Ramirez (31)

Clayton Richard (36)

Tanner Roark (33)

Tyson Ross (33)

Hyun-Jin Ryu (33)

Ervin Santana (37)

Drew Smyly (29)

Dan Straily (31)

Stephen Strasburg (31) — can opt out of remaining four years and $100MM

Julio Teheran (29) — $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Nick Tropeano (29)

Jason Vargas (37) — $8MM club option with a $2MM buyout

Edinson Volquez (36)

Michael Wacha (28)

Adam Wainwright (38)

Zack Wheeler (30)

Alex Wood (29)

[bones10]

What do you guys think about Bumgarner as a signing

[Spanky99]

I wouldn't be upset, but there's a lot of bullets on that arm.

[Beans]

I would sign some buy-low SPs on 1-2 year deals and give the kids we have in the system another year to develop. We're still building.

 

That said, I like Alex Wood and Odorizzi if the price is right.

[RobinThicc]

Sign Wheeler

[Todd Van Anus]

Is it the right time to make that type of deal though. All of these guys should be more valuable a year from now, after another year of development and being closer to the majors. Orelvis for example should reach full season A ball in 2020, or even start there and elevate to A+ by the end of the season.

 

Also, a philosophy of sustained winning means you don't trade your high end prospects and in fact even when the team is a contender, you are still trying to acquire elite prospect types.

That is a great point that I never thought of. Ensure to sell high on your prospects to maximize their value. Awesome insight!

[FrozenRopes]

Nice to add:

 

Cole

Strasburg

 

Realistic:

 

Roark

Wacha

[Barkerfan23]

We have like 42 starting pitchers already. You guys know only like 5 can start together right ?

[THANOS]

Nice to add:

 

Cole

Strasburg

 

Realistic:

 

Roark

Wacha

 

Don't want Wacha or Roark. I feel like both may just be micro improvements over our internal options, especially Wacha.

 

If we're going to spend on SPs, then I want to spend on a noticable improvement, like Cole or Stras (both unlikely), or Odorizzi, Wheeler (more likely).

[Laika]

Don't want Wacha or Roark. I feel like both may just be micro improvements over our internal options, especially Wacha.

 

If we're going to spend on SPs, then I want to spend on a noticable improvement, like Cole or Stras (both unlikely), or Odorizzi, Wheeler (more likely).

 

Have you looked at the SP depth chart?

 

Thornton - gave up a lot of runs!

Borucki - didn't pitch

Shoemaker - barely pitched

Waguespack - sucks

Kay - rookie, barely pitched

 

Tanner Roark was a 2 win pitcher and he would be at the top of Toronto's depth chart.

Wacha sucked but he is two years removed from being good and at 28 he's a good project.

 

Toronto should be trying to get like three arms, including Tanner Roark, an equivalent pitcher, and ideally someone even better like Wheels Ontario.

[THANOS]

Have you looked at the SP depth chart?

 

Thornton - gave up a lot of runs!

Borucki - didn't pitch

Shoemaker - barely pitched

Waguespack - sucks

Kay - rookie, barely pitched

 

Tanner Roark was a 2 win pitcher and he would be at the top of Toronto's depth chart.

Wacha sucked but he is two years removed from being good and at 28 he's a good project.

 

Toronto should be trying to get like three arms, including Tanner Roark, an equivalent pitcher, and ideally someone even better like Wheels Ontario.

 

What about internal development? Thornton showed enough that and is young enough, that it would be reasonable to expect some improvement. Kay looks like he could be good. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those guys give us cheap 1-2 wins. Is it worth paying Roark for that?

 

Would rather spend a bit more for 3-4 WAR pitchers. Don't mind being locked into guys like that.

[Krylian]

What about internal development? Thornton showed enough that and is young enough, that it would be reasonable to expect some improvement. Kay looks like he could be good. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those guys give us cheap 1-2 wins. Is it worth paying Roark for that?

 

Would rather spend a bit more for 3-4 WAR pitchers. Don't mind being locked into guys like that.

 

Do you think it would only cost a bit more?

[THANOS]

Do you think it would only cost a bit more?

 

Maybe an additional 10M AAV? Can't see it being ridiculous in this market.

[THANOS]

Maybe an additional 10M AAV? Can't see it being ridiculous in this market.

 

Nvm, even less. Could be only a 5M AAV diff

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-top-50-free-agents/

[Maico450]

I would take a serious run at Dallas Keuchel. No qualifying offer attached. Familiar with AL hitters.

[Terminator]

I would take a serious run at Dallas Keuchel. No qualifying offer attached. Familiar with AL hitters.

 

That's key. Very important.

[Todd Van Anus]

I would take a serious run at Dallas Keuchel. No qualifying offer attached. Familiar with AL hitters.

 

Is he a UFA with no draft picks attached?

[BTS]

Is he a UFA with no draft picks attached?

 

Baseball is not hockey.

[Todd Van Anus]

Baseball is not hockey.

 

I know. Draft picks attached = RFA.