Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[Spanky99]

Teoscar posted a .939 OPS in the second half and he made at least some improvement defensively, not that he doesn't have a ways to go. He also had the fastest sprint speed of any blue jay regular last year. He strikes out a lot, but he walked almost 10% of the time last year. If he continues to take his walks and hits his bombs, he's actually got quite a bit upside still.

 

He certainly doesn't belong in AAA.

 

I beg to differ if they upgrade, he has options.

[Pendleton]

Would someone like Nimmo make for a good target with his on base ability?

[glory]

After Hernandez came back from AAA (June onwards), he had a 1.8 WAR, 126 wRC+, 10 BB%, 34.4 K%, and 92.1 avg EV (mph) in 323 plate appearances. That was after he became starting CF. The Jays definitely need a long term answer in CF, but short term they might just roll with Teocar and hope his bat compensates for his D rather than spend money on stop gaps.

[Barkerfan23]

After Hernandez came back from AAA (June onwards), he had a 1.8 WAR, 126 wRC+, 10 BB%, 34.4 K%, and 92.1 avg EV (mph) in 323 plate appearances. That was after he became starting CF. The Jays definitely need a long term answer in CF, but short term they might just roll with Teocar and hope his bat compensates for his D rather than spend money on stop gaps.

 

34.4% strikeout rate

 

That's all I read there. You cannot win if you have guys that strike out 35 percent of the time

[Spanky99]

Would someone like Nimmo make for a good target with his on base ability?

 

Yuck, Abom will agree. His D suxxxx

[Barkerfan23]

Teoscar posted a .939 OPS in the second half and he made at least some improvement defensively, not that he doesn't have a ways to go. He also had the fastest sprint speed of any blue jay regular last year. He strikes out a lot, but he walked almost 10% of the time last year. If he continues to take his walks and hits his bombs, he's actually got quite a bit upside still.

 

He certainly doesn't belong in AAA.

 

Reminds me a lot of when intelligent posters pointed out that Sanchez cant be competitive walking 5/9

 

Teoscar Hernandez struck out 36 percent of the time in the second half. Its the same thing. You cannot strike out at that rate and be successful over the long term

[Brownie19]

Reminds me a lot of when intelligent posters pointed out that Sanchez cant be competitive walking 5/9

 

Teoscar Hernandez struck out 36 percent of the time in the second half. Its the same thing. You cannot strike out at that rate and be successful over the long term

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/joey-gallo/14128/stats?position=OF

[Orgfiller]

Yuck, Abom will agree. His D suxxxx

 

His defense is fine in the corners, he's not a CF. Big fan of the on base ability that Pendleton alluded to, walks for days and his baserunning is above average.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I guess in that scenario, Teoscar moves to 1st and/or DH's more often?

 

Not that I'm against adding Calhoun, but it'll make for an interesting OF depth chart. There's still Alford, McKinney, and Fisher to consider. McKinney and Teoscar have options. Alford and Fisher are out of options. I know people on here aren't too fond of Fisher, but I'd like to give him a leash next season.

 

I agree with you on Fisher. In his SSS he looked underwhelming, but in a year they don't plan to go for it why not give him a chance? Pull the plug after 300 ABs if he continues to suck.

 

For me, if they don't sign a big bat in the OF, then stick with the kids and see what happens.

 

The same goes for a lot of our young starting pitching. I'd rather run Anthony Kay out there 15+ times than SP's who the "Jays have interest in" that project to 1 WAR or something.

[Ray]

Reminds me a lot of when intelligent posters pointed out that Sanchez cant be competitive walking 5/9

 

Teoscar Hernandez struck out 36 percent of the time in the second half. Its the same thing. You cannot strike out at that rate and be successful over the long term

 

Literally Miguel Sano

 

career 36% k-rate, 121 wRC+

[Brownie19]

Yuck, Abom will agree. His D suxxxx

 

Really? I mean in CF yes, but at the corner is he that bad? Sign me up for a Nimmo, who's now entering his prime and is a career 130 wRC+ hitter (over 1,000 PA's). He reminds me a lot of Biggio to be honest. Career 15 BB%.

[Spanky99]

His defense is fine in the corners, he's not a CF. Big fan of the on base ability that Pendleton alluded to, walks for days and his baserunning is above average.

 

Yeah, I was secluding him at CF.

[Pendleton]

Yuck, Abom will agree. His D suxxxx

 

Looks like his time in CF has really dragged down his defensive numbers.

[Spanky99]

Really? I mean in CF yes, but at the corner is he that bad? Sign me up for a Nimmo, who's now entering his prime and is a career 130 wRC+ hitter (over 1,000 PA's). He reminds me a lot of Biggio to be honest. Career 15 BB%.

 

^^^ My post above, I doubt the Birds are in on him. I'd rather sign Puig.

[Orgfiller]

Really? I mean in CF yes, but at the corner is he that bad? Sign me up for a Nimmo, who's now entering his prime and is a career 130 wRC+ hitter (over 1,000 PA's). He reminds me a lot of Biggio to be honest. Career 15 BB%.

 

I love the Biggio comp, I can really see the similarities in their hitting profiles except that their batted ball profiles is vastly different with Biggio hitting nearly no groundballs and Nimmo hitting quite a few - this might be fixable though!

[Orgfiller]

^^^ My post above, I doubt the Birds are in on him. I'd rather sign Puig.

 

If we're in on Calhoun then clearly CF isn't the only thing we're looking for. Nimmo would be a good target IMO.

[Spanky99]

I agree with you on Fisher. In his SSS he looked underwhelming, but in a year they don't plan to go for it why not give him a chance? Pull the plug after 300 ABs if he continues to suck.

 

For me, if they don't sign a big bat in the OF, then stick with the kids and see what happens.

 

The same goes for a lot of our young starting pitching. I'd rather run Anthony Kay out there 15+ times than SP's who the "Jays have interest in" that project to 1 WAR or something.

 

Jays are not looking to sign pitchers at 1 WAR projection.

[Spanky99]

If we're in on Calhoun then clearly CF isn't the only thing we're looking for. Nimmo would be a good target IMO.

 

Like I said, I thought of him as a CF, at time of post, I'd still rather Puig, unless Nimmo comes cheap. Would you comp Reddick to Nimmo at the same age?

[Orgfiller]

Like I said, I thought of him as a CF, at time of post, I'd still rather Puig, unless Nimmo comes cheap. Would you comp Reddick to Nimmo at the same age?

 

Not really? Reddick at his age was a good fielder with passable offense and different hitting profile, with much better baserunning and a lot more proven.

[Grant77]

Well Mets want Marte and Pirates want a catcher. So dump Lowrie on us and add Nimmo and some other s*** and we'll supply the catcher. Fill in the rest. Boom.

 

I wouldn't trade our catchers for Nimmo, let alone take Lowrie's salary on top of it. Dominic Smith would get me to the negotiating table.

[Spanky99]

Kole Calhoun Market Taking Shape

 

By Jeff Todd | December 11, 2019 at 1:48pm CDT

 

We’ve yet to hear much of anything this winter regarding Kole Calhoun — a reflection both of the primacy of starting pitching on the market and the devaluation of the long ball around the league. The veteran corner outfielder has waited his turn as teams chase higher-priority targets.

 

Now, it seems some attention is beginning to turn to Calhoun and other possible targets. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Blue Jays, Reds, Brewers, and Marlins all have some level of interest in the 32-year-old.

 

Calhoun was paid a $1MM buyout by the Angels when his long-time team decided not to pick up his $14MM option. He popped 33 home runs in 2019 and has long been respected as a hard-nosed grinder with a quality glove, but his nice season wasn’t enough to warrant that level of pay even on a one-year deal.

 

While Calhoun has at times produced well-above-average offensive numbers, his context-adjusted output wasn’t exceptionally productive in 2019. Over 552 plate appearances, he maintained a .232/.325/.467 batting line, good for a 108 wRC+. That was an improvement on his average-ish 2017 and awful 2018 showings with the bat, but hardly an otherworldly effort. Calhoun walked at a career-best 11.1% rate but also went down on strikes at a personal-worst 25.6% clip.

 

The initial list of potential pursuers doesn’t seem to portend a bidding war. The Fish are biting this year, but don’t seem likely to go wild. They’re also looking at quite a few other options, as are the Reds. The Blue Jays and Brewers both make sense but don’t seem likely to spend past their internal valuations for a player such as Calhoun. Of course, it’s certainly possible that other clubs are in the picture or could join it depending upon outcomes with other segments of the market.

[Abomination]

Would someone like Nimmo make for a good target with his on base ability?

 

I think I suggested it a few days ago. I like him as a target.

[Brownie19]

I wouldn't trade our catchers for Nimmo, let alone take Lowrie's salary on top of it. Dominic Smith would get me to the negotiating table.

 

I wouldn't think twice about trading McGuire for Nimmo. 138 PA's in the majors isn't enough to make me forget about the wRC+ of 80 in AAA over the past couple of years. I'd say there's a 95% chance he's a backup and with the young guys in A ball, I think we'll survive both short and long term.

[Spanky99]

I think I suggested it a few days ago. I like him as a target.

 

I said it right after his post, you were on board.

[Brownie19]

I wouldn't trade our catchers for Nimmo, let alone take Lowrie's salary on top of it. Dominic Smith would get me to the negotiating table.

 

Dom Smith, JD Davis, Nimmo - I'd be all over these guys. All 3 could end up being backup/bench players for the Mets next year, which is kind of insane.

 

Speaking of the Mets - is Cespedes alive? I mean if we aren't going to add some quality players via FA a year early (which it appears we won't), I'd use our payroll flexibility to take on Cespedes and Lowrie if we could land some combination of Nimmo, JD Davis, Smith - they're all 24 to 26 and entering their prime. They'd go well with our core.

[Spanky99]

Dom Smith, JD Davis, Nimmo - I'd be all over these guys. All 3 could end up being backup/bench players for the Mets next year, which is kind of insane.

 

Speaking of the Mets - is Cespedes alive? I mean if we aren't going to add some quality players via FA a year early (which it appears we won't), I'd use our payroll flexibility to take on Cespedes and Lowrie if we could land some combination of Nimmo, JD Davis, Smith - they're all 24 to 26 and entering their prime. They'd go well with our core.

 

Cespedes had surgery on both feet hoping to be ready April, that's their goal.

 

Eligible to return on Feb 1 - Day-to-Day.

 

LATEST NEWS

 

DEC 9, 7:21 PM EST

Cespedes (ankle) has been hitting for several weeks and has also started running, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports.

 

ANALYSIS

Cespedes is making measurable progress early in the offseason, which is a positive sign, though there's no guarantee that he'll be ready to play at any point during the 2020 campaign. He underwent ankle surgery at the end of May to address multiple fractures in an off-field accident.

 

Welp...

[Orgfiller]

Dom Smith, JD Davis, Nimmo - I'd be all over these guys. All 3 could end up being backup/bench players for the Mets next year, which is kind of insane.

 

Speaking of the Mets - is Cespedes alive? I mean if we aren't going to add some quality players via FA a year early (which it appears we won't), I'd use our payroll flexibility to take on Cespedes and Lowrie if we could land some combination of Nimmo, JD Davis, Smith - they're all 24 to 26 and entering their prime. They'd go well with our core.

 

Kind of disagree on J.D. Davis, he's got some intriguing tools at the plate but he's a god awful fielder, and we already have one of those guys at third base who is the generational hitting prospect and a collection of below average toolsy guys on the corners. Would you want him as a 1B/DH which is what he really is? If you believe he's closer to his 136 wRC+ last year than his projected 109 WRC+ then maybe you can sell me on him. He's a big time exit velocity Statcast darling.

[saskjayfan]

34.4% strikeout rate

 

That's all I read there. You cannot win if you have guys that strike out 35 percent of the time

 

Sano struck out 36.2% of the time and had a wRC+ of 137. There are guys with high strike out rates that can succeed. You need to take your walks and hit bombs. Unlike Sano, Teoscar doesn't clog up the base paths as he has speed. Teoscar doesn't even have 1100 ABs yet. There's still room for improvement in his game. I'm not saying he won't take a turn for the worse next year, I'm just not giving up on him yet.

[Ex Player]

You guys are gonna hate me for saying this, but very few top starting pitchers wanna come here (for a variety of different reasons). The only way they'll come to Toronto is if Rogers outbids other teams by quite a bit, which they rarely do.

 

And thats the truth

[Brownie19]

Kind of disagree on J.D. Davis, he's got some intriguing tools at the plate but he's a god awful fielder, and we already have one of those guys at third base who is the generational hitting prospect and a collection of below average toolsy guys on the corners. Would you want him as a 1B/DH which is what he really is? If you believe he's closer to his 136 wRC+ last year than his projected 109 WRC+ then maybe you can sell me on him. He's a big time exit velocity Statcast darling.

 

Yeah I was looking at JD Davis at 1st or DH....much like Dom Smith would be