Stroman to the... METS!?

[bones10]

If you're hating on stroman so much you'd rather get fleeced by the f***ing Mets you need to give your head a shake. Should have been extended.

[JaysAllMighty]

If you're hating on stroman so much you'd rather get fleeced by the f***ing Mets you need to give your head a shake. Should have been extended.

 

What's so hard to understand that he was a cancer to this front office? His big fat mouth got him where he is.

[Tekkie]

Toronto Star headline: U.S. media puzzled Blue Jays couldn’t get more for Marcus Stroman in trade with New York Mets

[L54]

no I am expecting this type of information leaked just like everything else is leaked. We offered Edwin 4 and 80. At the time we knew he wasn't going to accept that, but the information got out.

 

Adjust your expectations then. You're not privy to everything the org does

[Brownie19]

If you're hating on stroman so much you'd rather get fleeced by the f***ing Mets you need to give your head a shake. Should have been extended.

 

What's so hard to understand that he was a cancer to this front office? His big fat mouth got him where he is.

 

What's so hard with both you guys acknowledging you know next to nothing about this situation, avoiding a strong opinion and keeping an open mind? This s*** is why our voting system doesn't work.

[L54]

If you're hating on stroman so much you'd rather get fleeced by the f***ing Mets you need to give your head a shake. Should have been extended.

 

What should they have gave him?

 

I love this rational without any numbers. To think they didn't know what he was looking for and decided they weren't willing to match that price is laughable.

[Bobthe4th]

If you're hating on stroman so much you'd rather get fleeced by the f***ing Mets you need to give your head a shake. Should have been extended.

 

Extension was never going to happen, but being glad he’s gone because of not liking his social media presence is pathetic.

[BTS]

Extension was never going to happen, but being glad he’s gone because of not liking his social media presence is pathetic.

 

I think it's more pathetic to care about why people aren't fond of a player on a baseball team they watch for fun in their spare time. Why is it pathetic to just not like the guy's personality and be happy that you won't be exposed to it aynmore?

[jaysguy44]

Extension was never going to happen, but being glad he’s gone because of not liking his social media presence is pathetic.

 

What?

 

This is pretty dumb.

[Abomination]

I think what happened is the Jays identified SWR very early on as a guy they had to have at all costs, and the Mets picked up on that. They probably offered something like SWR and Smith/Kilome/Szapuki, then swapped it out to the Kay and cash version we got. A fair deal probably would have been SWR+Kay+ Smith/Kilome/Szapuki with no cash. I think we got taken. It might work out well for us in the end, but we definitely didn't get fair market value for Stroman at the time of the trade.

 

An even bigger issue is, since this happened a few days before the deadline, other GMs in on Giles will probably feel they can also lowball us and we'll eventually accept. It sounds like this has also happened to the Mets, as rival GMs may be using the Stroman return to justify not including top prospects for Thor/Wheeler. If we were going to make this trade, at least wait until we get a stronger return on our other players.

[saskjayfan]

Extension was never going to happen, but being glad he’s gone because of not liking his social media presence is pathetic.

 

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

[L54]

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

 

The tattoo theory is so f***ing boring. Lots of people get tattoos of their significant others name... and end up divorced! This isn't a feather in your cap in the argument for extending him.

 

What would you pay him SJF? Everyone loves to blow their own horn saying it wouldn't be that hard. But if you were in control of the Jays you'd be on the hook for Jose Bautista and 25M this year because you're a homer who will pay current Blue Jays anything to keep them.

 

It was blatantly obvious at this point an extension wasn't happening. A year ago maybe it was realistic, or maybe they found out he wants way more than they're comfortable giving. You literally have no clue, and neither do I, but that doesn't mean it was as easy as rubbing his back and telling him he's a good boy.

[L54]

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

 

Marcus Stroman is a top ___ starting pitcher. Fill in the blank for me please.

[jaysguy44]

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

 

You sound like you should be one of those "casual fans" on Facebook bitching about this trade because a rebuilding team traded their top SP.

 

Do you honestly think Stroman was going to resign in Toronto, instead of a place like New York? With the Yanks? Let's be honest, Toronto isn't going to be competing to win the division in 2021.

 

Mark my words.

 

In 2 years. Marcus Stroman will be pitching for either the Yanks, RedSox, Braves, or Dodgers.

 

He will sign with a contender. I personally don't buy into the "loyalty" crap he spews on Social Media.

 

Do I absolutely love the return? No. Am I okay with the trade? Yes.

[The Cats Ass]

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

 

Stroman is kind of high on himself. He views himself as an ace and the best thing since sliced bread. He said he wanted an extension, but at the same time he probably also wanted to get paid like an ace instead of the #2 like he is. He'll continue with his high self evaluation until he hits free agency and only then will he realize no team is going to give him his outrageous asking price, and only then will he lower his demands.

[L54]

Stroman has played so many fans as fools.. look at me, I tweet about how much I care about you guys! I'm not the bad guy, its those penny pinchers upstairs who hate me because I'm short. Just remember, #HDMH.

 

Do I blame him? Not at all, he clearly understands what he's doing. It's just funny to watch grown men get their panties in a knot because they can't come to grips with the fact that professional sports are a business and they become attached to these guys like they're their own.

[Terminator]

Just read the story about Stroman kicking that nerd Atkins out of a meeting. Hilarious.

[Bobthe4th]

How can you say an extension was never going to happen? The guy literally had the toronto skyline tattooed on his body. If you can't maintain relations and get a player who likes the city well enough to tattoo it on his body, then what does that say about you as a GM. They didn't want to extend him. That's their prerogative as management, but quit with the it was never going to happen crap. They definitely could have extended him if they did things differently and wanted to.

 

I meant an extension was impossible after what has happened this season. The relationship between Stroman and the front office had broken down completely.

 

Although we’ll never know for sure, I think Stroman was demanding too much money to make an extension a good idea anyway. Both sides take blame IMO.

[BTS]

Just read the story about Stroman kicking that nerd Atkins out of a meeting. Hilarious.

 

lol, what’s this now?

[Brownie19]

I think what happened is the Jays identified SWR very early on as a guy they had to have at all costs, and the Mets picked up on that. They probably offered something like SWR and Smith/Kilome/Szapuki, then swapped it out to the Kay and cash version we got. A fair deal probably would have been SWR+Kay+ Smith/Kilome/Szapuki with no cash. I think we got taken. It might work out well for us in the end, but we definitely didn't get fair market value for Stroman at the time of the trade.

 

An even bigger issue is, since this happened a few days before the deadline, other GMs in on Giles will probably feel they can also lowball us and we'll eventually accept. It sounds like this has also happened to the Mets, as rival GMs may be using the Stroman return to justify not including top prospects for Thor/Wheeler. If we were going to make this trade, at least wait until we get a stronger return on our other players.

 

Man - that's a s*** ton of assumptions.

[Brownie19]

Stroman is kind of high on himself. He views himself as an ace and the best thing since sliced bread. He said he wanted an extension, but at the same time he probably also wanted to get paid like an ace instead of the #2 like he is. He'll continue with his high self evaluation until he hits free agency and only then will he realize no team is going to give him his outrageous asking price, and only then will he lower his demands.

 

That reminds me - sliced bread is f***ing awesome. No crumbs.

[Abomination]

Man - that's a s*** ton of assumptions.

 

Try reading it again.

[Deadpool]

Note to people on this thread and the board in general. Re-sign and resign mean almost exact opposite things, and they are not remotely interchangeable.

[Krylian]

Note to people on this thread and the board in general. Re-sign and resign mean almost exact opposite things, and they are not remotely interchangeable.

 

It's the same people that can't spell 'your' or 'you're' properly

[Funky]

Haven’t posted much but follow this board on a daily basis. This trade has me a bit upset.

 

It isn’t with the return although I do think the return is a little light. SJF does intrigue me and if everything works out a Pearson, Monoah, SJF trio looks good.

 

I have been following the front office since the start. I will admit I was not a big AA fan as a whole. He did do some great things but he did things at a price. The thing is he was in touch with the players, the media and the fans. He had a direction and that was to win no matter what.

 

We now have two guys in charge who may just work for the CIA. They appear secretive and aloof and we cannot really see the total game plan. Even with that I am okay, it is the fact they seem to piss off everyone who plays for them. Now Donaldson and Stroman walk through life with their hearts on there sleeves and get a bit emotional but they seemed to resent management. Tulo basically showed the Jays what he thought of the organization during his brief return with the Yanks. We burned a folk hero in Edwin and signed a bonified slow DH in his place that we had to pay to go away.

 

Now I ask you guys as there are some very knowledgeable people on the forums. If we had a front office that was more player friendly would someone like Stroman Who seem to love it in Toronto be open to the idea of coming back when he’s a free agent in another year and a half? Do you think because of his relationship with our front office the door is now officially closed?

 

My other question is do free agents around the league appear to have one more reason to not want to come to Toronto because of our front offices mentality?

 

I kind of always had it burning in the back of my head but I was just wondering after the Stroman trade if this may be the case?

 

I love our young team, I am fully into a rebuild and I do think the front office has taken some of the right steps towards this, I am just wondering if their lack of communication, their better than everyone attitude will affect us when it’s time to bring in outside players in a few years?

[Todd Van Anus]

Sounds like Stroman acknowledged his immature outburst in the clubhouse after he learned he was traded to the Mets. The guy is a complex hot head. Glad he's gone.

[Jimcanuck]

Time to move on people. Trade was meh. Oh well. May be many reasons for that, including Stro's attitude and likelihood he will be testing free agency. Little more than a year of #2/3 starter Stro and he gone is not worth the prospect value we may have thought.

[Abomination]

Time to move on people. Trade was meh. Oh well. May be many reasons for that, including Stro's attitude and likelihood he will be testing free agency. Little more than a year of #2/3 starter Stro and he gone is not worth the prospect value we may have thought.

 

If guys fitting this kind of mold aren't, then they're the new market inefficiency we need to be targeting. I'd take a rotation full of Stromans and Sonny Grays all day long.

[glory]

I think the disturbing part is it is becoming a trend to hear about an Atkins trade and say "that's it?". Atkins has made trades with smart orgs like the Astros and Yankees, so maybe that's part of it, but this is the f'n Mets. Brody is not even a GM, he is an agent playing a GM. If anything, get Kay and SWR, plus another lotto ticket or two. Getting a package that is industry-wide acknowledged as light, and throwing in cash on top of that just looks really bad. The players might turn out to be good, but that doesn't mean the trade was fair value. It also likely hurts his ability in future trades if other GMs view him as easy to manipulate.

 

Like I said, the Jays draft so well and have been very good in the international market, so a risk averse GM may not be a terrible thing during a rebuild, but can he push us over the top when that time comes?

[Brownie19]

Try reading it again.

 

dude....your sentences include:

 

"I think what happened"

 

"They probably offered"

 

"I think we got"

 

"we definitely didn't get fair market"

 

"other GMs in on Giles will probably feel"