Stroman to the... METS!?

[Dr. Dinger]

Not a great return, fam.

 

SWR has real upside but I'm surprised a SAL arm was the best return available for Stroman. At least he has a three letter acroname to pair with SRF.

 

Kay seems like a backend SP prospect right now.

 

It does feel kinda gross but I try to keep in mind that our front office has an excellent track record of identifying high level pitching talent - Kluber, Bauer, Carrasco, Clevinger, Bieber, etc.

[jerb]

 

Marcus Stroman

@MStrooo6

 

Toronto, I love you...forever!

[Jimcanuck]

I understand the appeal to Woods-Richardson. He will be a top 100 prospect very soon, and has big time potential.

 

Still disappointed though. Idk what they see in Kay.

 

Kay is top 100 on some lists including BA

 

edit - he was on the BA top 100 (#80), dropped off as of most recent update

[jaysguy44]

Kay is top 100 on some lists including BA

 

He is getting rocked in AAA at 24 yrs old...

[BlueRocky]

Mets 4th and 6th ranked prospects

 

SWR has upside but still far away.

Kay was solid in AA and s*** the bed in AAA.

 

They must be really high on these kids, or no way this is the best possible offer for Marcus Stroman.

[Orgfiller]

Kay is top 100 on some lists including BA

 

Kay was a top 100 until the draft happened. SWR will be a top 100 by next year.

[PhillyBlueJay]

Lottery tickets lmao. Return is disappointing but Jesus Christ.

 

Trending to be a top 100 prospect is still no guarantee and NOT even to grab prospects in other organization in the top 50-100. Just crazy.

 

I'm sure we will hear some chatter from baseball people that Atkins accepted way less then what other organizations were willing to offer. Atkins needed to push teams right till noon on the 31st. That is what Pat Gillick always did and ended up with good trades. Atkins is blink first guy and should not be our GM going forward!

 

I mean Jesus Christ, you could not say to Atlanta, Padres, Yanks, Twins, give me your best pitching prospect for Stroman in a 1-1 swap and they would not take him it in a playoff run....

[Ex Player]

Post your guesses as to which pitching prospects we'll get for Stro:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=16747e2d

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=e52a1d87

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=65ecb4db

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=ec125f60

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=1bcf0d8f

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=e66e1ff9

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=37181838

[Superdood]

I'm gonna withhold judgement for a year or 2 until Woods-Richardson develops a bit more, kid has some serious juice behind his fastball and should easily start jumping up the top 100 rankings imo.

 

I never got the point of s***ing all over something when prospects are involved, let them develop and see what happens.

 

This team wasn't gonna be close to contention for at least 2 more years anyways.

[jerb]

 

 

Andy Martino

@martinonyc

 

Anthony Kay is a back end starter until his breaking ball develops. Not sure how that’s better for jays than Deivi Garcia but good for Mets

 

Andy Martino

@martinonyc

 

Rival evaluator calls Woods-Richardson a “stud”

[ColdPint]

So how many more years before we can hold Shatkins accountable for how they’ve managed this team and assets?

[Barkerfan23]

 

Marcus Stroman

@MStrooo6

 

Toronto, I love you...forever!

 

f***

 

This post makes it even tougher

[Pendleton]

Post your guesses as to which pitching prospects we'll get for Stro:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=16747e2d

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=e52a1d87

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=65ecb4db

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=ec125f60

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=1bcf0d8f

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=e66e1ff9

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/team.cgi?id=37181838

 

I'll guess Woods-Richardson and Kay

[Jimcanuck]

Ranked New York Mets #5 prospect after the 2018 season

Track Record: The 31st overall pick in 2016, Kay had Tommy John surgery after signing and missed the entirety of his first two pro seasons. He made up for lost time in 2018 by pitching at two Class A levels, striking out a batter per inning as he regained feel he lost after his layoff.

 

Scouting Report: Kay returned to the hill in 2018 as a different pitcher than he was in college. More a fastball/changeup lefty at Connecticut, he emerged in pro ball with a vicious, top-to-bottom 80 mph curveball that he locates to both sides of the plate. His peak curveball approached 3,000 revolutions per minute, while his average spin rate ranked inside the top 10 percent in the minors. Kay tops out at 96 mph and sits 92-94 with an above-average, high-spin fastball that plays at the top of the zone in conjunction with his curve and mid-80s changeup at the bottom of the zone. His change flashes above-average potential and sinking action. Kay pitches with a bulldog demeanor and wants to strike out opponents.

 

The Future: Kay has mid-rotation potential if he can refine his curveball into a swing-and-miss pitch and improve his overall command. He will be ready for Double-A at some point in 2019 with a possible big league ETA of 2020.

[jaysguy44]

Makes me wonder what other teams were offering?

 

Heck, I'm surprised the Yanks wouldn't part with Garcia.

 

I don't understand why Stro doesn't have the value we thought he did.

[Barkerfan23]

So how many more years before we can hold Shatkins accountable for how they’ve managed this team and assets?

 

I guess when the next regime will be doing the vlad trade

 

We had it really good with AA but he wasnt appreciated for what he did for us. He was our Ujiri.

 

Instead we went with a couple of guys who think they are smarter than everybody and this is what happens

 

We betrayed the guy who would have stayed with us for these clowns

[Barkerfan23]

Makes me wonder what other teams were offering?

 

Heck, I'm surprised the Yanks wouldn't part with Garcia.

 

I don't understand why Stro doesn't have the value we thought he did.

 

You know at some point it's also about the guy making the trade

[Jimcanuck]

He is getting rocked in AAA at 24 yrs old...

 

SSS

 

There is often an adjustment period moving up levels.

 

Kay is likely a back end or AAAA type

[Abomination]

IMO, Kay is basically equivalent to Quantrill. Likely a mid-rotation guy. He should be a second or third piece in this kind of deal. Woods-Richardson probably has higher upside, but his distance to the majors should put him at about the same value. This is NOT a good trade. There should be at least one more solid player coming back, if not a top 100 guy. No reason to trade him now as opposed to Wednesday if this is the return.

[TheOutsider]

Woods Richardson has some seriously sexy strikeout, walk and even groundball numbers. But that's in A-ball, and Kay has been a human launching pad in AAA. I guess we should be happy it's not the Yankees.

[Krylian]

Makes me wonder what other teams were offering?

 

Heck, I'm surprised the Yanks wouldn't part with Garcia.

 

I don't understand why Stro doesn't have the value we thought he did.

 

Doesn't strike out enough batters

Is short

Is a nutcase

 

Not sure if they were a factor but they are true.

[Barkerfan23]

Atkins need to immiadiately tell us the the organization is now in a very good position when it comes to pitchers

 

And it would be very hard to get better

[Governator]

We just got fleeced being in the driver's seat... ffs

[Grant77]

Makes me wonder what other teams were offering?

 

Heck, I'm surprised the Yanks wouldn't part with Garcia.

 

I don't understand why Stro doesn't have the value we thought he did.

 

History says he did. Top of the rotation type pitchers consistently go for MASSIVE hauls at the deadline. Almost every time, like clockwork. A great pitcher remains the most valued asset in the game.

[Ex Player]

I'll guess Woods-Richardson and Kay

I like Kay also.

 

Mets have a lot of good arms in their farm system, no wonder they can afford to let a few go

[DigitalRock]

IMO, Kay is basically equivalent to Quantrill. Likely a mid-rotation guy. He should be a second or third piece in this kind of deal. Woods-Richardson probably has higher upside, but his distance to the majors should put him at about the same value. This is NOT a good trade. There should be at least one more solid player coming back, if not a top 100 guy. No reason to trade him now as opposed to Wednesday if this is the return.

 

Yeah Atkins sounds like he is in over his head.

[gruber92]

I guess when the next regime will be doing the vlad trade

 

We had it really good with AA but he wasnt appreciated for what he did for us. He was our Ujiri.

 

Instead we went with a couple of guys who think they are smarter than everybody and this is what happens

 

We betrayed the guy who would have stayed with us for these clowns

 

Bingo.

[jaysguy44]

History says he did. Top of the rotation type pitchers consistently go for MASSIVE hauls at the deadline. Almost every time, like clockwork. A great pitcher remains the most valued asset in the game.

 

I mean, clearly he didn't though.

[Jimcanuck]

Don't love the trade, don't hate it. Don't know why they could not wait longer before pulling the trigger. A non-contender offered the best package??

[Governator]

Don't you think the Mets would have offered the same deal in the offseason considering they are looking at next year at this point? Why would they take this deal from them now 4 days to go still before the deadline.