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[BTS]

It's his 2nd no-hitter too.

 

Is Mike Fiers the worst pitcher to ever throw multiple no-hitters?

[Orgfiller]

Is Mike Fiers the worst pitcher to ever throw multiple no-hitters?

 

Yes.

[Brownie19]

Yes.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/pitchers-with-multiple-no-hitters

 

There's the list of guys who've thrown 2

[Boxcar]

Fun fact: I benched Humber for that start in DDL.

 

Against me

[Brownie19]

The improvement of Matt Chapman K% is pretty remarkable.

 

AA/AAA - 30%

2017 - 28.2%

2018 - 23.7%

2019 - 14.8%

 

Reminds me of Kris Bryant 2015 - 2017

 

Chapman's a beast. One of the very best in the game who's probably going to go unnoticed for awhile in Oakland.

[Brownie19]

Chris Paddack porn - NSFW

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/chris-paddacks-relentless-attack/

[jaysblue]

The improvement of Matt Chapman K% is pretty remarkable.

 

AA/AAA - 30%

2017 - 28.2%

2018 - 23.7%

2019 - 14.8%

 

Reminds me of Kris Bryant 2015 - 2017

 

Chapman's a beast. One of the very best in the game who's probably going to go unnoticed for awhile in Oakland.

 

He'll be on the trade block soon in Oakland.

[glory]

He'll be on the trade block soon in Oakland.

 

Nah, he'll sign a 7 year, $21 million deal with 3 team options bringing the total value of the deal to $40 mil.

[jaysblue]

Nah, he'll sign a 7 year, $21 million deal with 3 team options bringing the total value of the deal to $40 mil.

 

And then he'll be put on the trade block.

[Jonn]

The improvement of Matt Chapman K% is pretty remarkable.

 

AA/AAA - 30%

2017 - 28.2%

2018 - 23.7%

2019 - 14.8%

 

Reminds me of Kris Bryant 2015 - 2017

 

Chapman's a beast. One of the very best in the game who's probably going to go unnoticed for awhile in Oakland.

 

Can we trsde for him please

[Brownie19]

Can we trsde for him please

 

Vladdy for Chapman - done.

[Jimcanuck]

Sale at 99 pitches, 12K, BSox bring him back out in the 8th

 

Seems not wise

[5ToolPhenom]

Fun fact: I benched Humber for that start in DDL.

 

I remember that start cause I bet on the Sox that day! Was a 1 PM PCT game and I believe it was the Fox Saturday game of the week.

 

Humber also should've walked Brandon Ryan with 2 outs in the 9th, but the homeplate ump called him out with what IMO was a clear check swing.

[Spanky__99]

I remember that start cause I bet on the Sox that day! Was a 1 PM PCT game and I believe it was the Fox Saturday game of the week.

 

Humber also should've walked Brandon Ryan with 2 outs in the 9th, but the homeplate ump called him out with what IMO was a clear check swing.

 

Holy f***, you remember all that?

[Spanky__99]

Stephenson suxxxxxxxxx

[Pendleton]

The Pirates have selected the contract of RHP Montana DuRapau

[G-Snarls]

Can we trsde for him please

 

I don't think Beane will make the mistake of trading away another MVP caliber 3B to the Jays

[Deadpool]

I don't think Beane will make the mistake of trading away another MVP caliber 3B to the Jays

 

Offer him Drury, Gavigglio and Warmoth, he's bound to make roughly the same trade again!

[Olerud363]

I don't know if you could create the same deal exactly as I can't think that the Jays have 2 mlb ready pitchers with 4-1 k/bb rates in the minors...

 

You'd have to start with Drury and Groshans, Groshans is at about the same age and performance level as Baretto was. then add in two MLB ready pitchers. Maybe something like Drury, Groshans, Borucki, and Thornton.

 

(And before the Peanut Gallery starts saying "Yo Olerud, You Stupid" (and at this point I can't even predict which way I'd be stupid, like if the trade is lopsided for Toronto, or Oakland). So I'm not saying I'd make that trade, or it's fair for Oakland, or it's fair Toronto, I haven't thought about it that much, just saying if you wanted a similar 4-1 it would be something like above)

[BTS]

I don't know if you could create the same deal exactly as I can't think that the Jays have 2 mlb ready pitchers with 4-1 k/bb rates in the minors...

 

You'd have to start with Drury and Groshans, Groshans is at about the same age and performance level as Baretto was. then add in two MLB ready pitchers. Maybe something like Drury, Groshans, Borucki, and Thornton.

 

There were also rumours that Beane didn't care much for JD on a personal level, which motivated the trade. As far as I'm aware, there are no such rumours about Chapman.

[Pendleton]

There were also rumours that Beane didn't care much for JD on a personal level, which motivated the trade. As far as I'm aware, there are no such rumours about Chapman.

 

Yeah anything I've read has the A's dying to get him locked into an extension.

[Brownie19]

There were also rumours that Beane didn't care much for JD on a personal level, which motivated the trade. As far as I'm aware, there are no such rumours about Chapman.

 

JD does seem like the type who makes a lot of gay jokes.

[Brownie19]

Vladdy for Chapman - done.

 

nobody bit on this? Who says no?

[Carlos Danger]

You'd have to start with Drury and Groshans, Groshans is at about the same age and performance level as Baretto was. then add in two MLB ready pitchers. Maybe something like Drury, Groshans, Borucki, and Thornton.

 

The difference between this proposal and the AA trade for JD is that from the Jays perspective, it didn't weaken the ML team and only made it stronger.. Lawrie for Donaldson was plus, plus...

 

No way I trade two young and controllable ML starters with upside for one position player.. Especially when we are the opposite of a surplus. Plus not for nothing, I don't think Groshans is same level as Baretto.. I think he is much more highly thought of as a two way player.

[Deadpool]

nobody bit on this? Who says no?

 

I would certainly hope the Jays said no to that. Outside of Trout who really shouldn't count anyway 'cause he's not even human, I don't know that there's a more valuable asset than Vladdy at the moment (considering cost, age, control, upside etc.).

[BTS]

I would certainly hope the Jays said no to that. Outside of Trout who really shouldn't count anyway 'cause he's not even human, I don't know that there's a more valuable asset than Vladdy at the moment (considering cost, age, control, upside etc.).

 

Acuna Jr.

Maybe Albies because of the insane contract?

Bellinger

Soto?

[keggy]

The difference between this proposal and the AA trade for JD is that from the Jays perspective, it didn't weaken the ML team and only made it stronger.. Lawrie for Donaldson was plus, plus...

 

No way I trade two young and controllable ML starters with upside for one position player.. Especially when we are the opposite of a surplus. Plus not for nothing, I don't think Groshans is same level as Baretto.. I think he is much more highly thought of as a two way player.

 

The JD trade was one of the worst fleecings in the past 5-10 years. The proposed trade is even more lopsided for the Jays. A low-probability outcome is that 1 year of 1 roster spot of Chapman outperforms all of those players over all of their controllable years combined. Any exec who doesn't take that trade would be fired on the spot.

 

On Barreto, he was a top 100 prospect at the time of trading and elevated to top 20-40 in subsequent years. Groshans is currently unranked (although he will very likely be there in the coming offseason). Historically speaking Barreto was as highly regarded as Groshans if not higher.

[Brownie19]

I would certainly hope the Jays said no to that. Outside of Trout who really shouldn't count anyway 'cause he's not even human, I don't know that there's a more valuable asset than Vladdy at the moment (considering cost, age, control, upside etc.).

 

Chapman's the best defensive 3rd baseman in baseball, who looks to only be improving with the bat and is coming off a 6.5 WAR season at age 25. He's on pace for another 6.5+ WAR season this year.

 

If you made that trade right now, you'd get 5 years of Chapman v. 7 of Vlady (I think - I'm sure you guys will correct me). 2 years means a lot - don't get me wrong, but if Vladdy's ceiling is Miggy - Miggy's only had 2 seasons with more than 6.6 WAR and averaged 4.6 WAR over his first full 7 seasons.

 

I think you'll get as much WAR out of Chapman's age 26-30 seasons than you will out of Vlady from age 20-26. With the contact improvements he's made, he may approach the 8 to 9 WAR per year value (recognizing he was 7 WAR over a 155 game season last year).

 

I'm probably underselling the age thing and whatever the likelihood of us signing and retaining Vlady for his age 27-33 years - I just think his lack of defense is caps his value, while Chapman looks like he's already better than Machado and Arenado.

 

Plus he's not fat as f***.

[wilko]

Chapman's the best defensive 3rd baseman in baseball, who looks to only be improving with the bat and is coming off a 6.5 WAR season at age 25. He's on pace for another 6.5+ WAR season this year.

 

If you made that trade right now, you'd get 5 years of Chapman v. 7 of Vlady (I think - I'm sure you guys will correct me). 2 years means a lot - don't get me wrong, but if Vladdy's ceiling is Miggy - Miggy's only had 2 seasons with more than 6.6 WAR and averaged 4.6 WAR over his first full 7 seasons.

 

I think you'll get as much WAR out of Chapman's age 26-30 seasons than you will out of Vlady from age 20-26. With the contact improvements he's made, he may approach the 8 to 9 WAR per year value (recognizing he was 7 WAR over a 155 game season last year).

 

I'm probably underselling the age thing and whatever the likelihood of us signing and retaining Vlady for his age 27-33 years - I just think his lack of defense is caps his value, while Chapman looks like he's already better than Machado and Arenado.

 

Plus he's not fat as f***.

 

Fat? You mean thic.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Fat? You mean thic.

 

 

For the few nice plays he has made there are about 4-5 he should have made...