Shoemaker Signing with Blue Jays

[BTS]

Baseball and?

 

Baseball, and forum moderation. So two things.

[glory]

Jays fans on twitter are pissed.

 

They'll be pissed about every move Shatkins makes.

[Sammy225]

Baseball and?

 

Trolling leafs fans is another i believe but i am not sure on the third.

[Bobthe4th]

They'll be pissed about every move Shatkins makes.

 

Yeah until we start winning again low key moves like this will always be criticised by most fans as not doing enough to help win games.

 

We should be signing Keuchel, Machado and Harper! /s

[Sammy225]

If casuals don't know them then they don't want them.I wish hockey fans would just go away during rebuilds because they are the most annoying people on the planet. I can't go anywhere but here and not here constant bitching.

[saskjayfan]

Jays fans on twitter are pissed. There are like 3 things in the world I know a lot about, and reading/hearing people talk about those things makes me realize that on virtually all subjects, the vast majority of people have no idea what the f*** they’re talking about.

 

 

reading 3 or 4 negative twitter posts does not a significant sample size make and attributing those views to vast majority of blue jay fans is pure conjecture. It gets a little tiresome hearing people post how brilliant they are and how dumn the average fan is. It's assumed that everyone who posts on here thinks they are much more intelligent than the average fan. Taking the time to type out that casual fans are dumn is redundant.

 

As far as the signing goes, he's a perfect fit for where we are as a team. I've never been adverse to gambling on injury prone guys though. The cost on this one pretty much makes it a no brainer. I would have kept Tulo for just under 600K a season he would have cost as well.

Edited December 28, 2018 by saskjayfan

[P2F]

saskjayfan is pissed!

[saskjayfan]

saskjayfan is pissed!

 

No...It's a bit early to be drinking. Maybe in a few hours though.

[Bobthe4th]

reading 3 or 4 negative twitter posts does not a significant sample size make and attributing those views to vast majority of blue jay fans is pure conjecture. It gets a little tiresome hearing people post how brilliant they are and how dumn the average fan is. It's assumed that everyone who posts on here thinks they are much more intelligent than the average fan. Taking the time to type out that casual fans are dumn is redundant.

 

As far as the signing goes, he's a perfect fit for where we are as a team. I've never been adverse to gambling on injury prone guys though. The cost on this one pretty much makes it a no brainer. I would have kept Tulo for just under 600K a season he would have cost as well.

 

This board is full of very stable geniuses.

[The Iceman]

IMO Pannone and SRF need to start in Buffalo this year and be available as our 6-7 SPs. With Stro, Sanchez, Ryan Borucki and Shoemaker penciled in as top 4 if healthy we need at least one more of this type of player. Someone with past success looking to build up their resume to cash in next off season. Ervin Santana would be a great add. Someone that can pitch when healthy at the top half of the rotation and would be a great chip to sell at the trade deadline. It will be too much of a s*** show for the new manager if you can't have semi decent innings eaters in your rotation.

[BTS]

IMO Pannone and SRF need to start in Buffalo this year and be available as our 6-7 SPs. With Stro, Sanchez, Ryan Borucki and Shoemaker penciled in as top 4 if healthy we need at least one more of this type of player. Someone with past success looking to build up their resume to cash in next off season. Ervin Santana would be a great add. Someone that can pitch when healthy at the top half of the rotation and would be a great chip to sell at the trade deadline. It will be too much of a s*** show for the new manager if you can't have semi decent innings eaters in your rotation.

 

I don’t nenecesarily think Erv is an ideal choice (though I would happily add him) but I strongly agree that Pannone and SRF should start in AAA. The team should be looking to add another SP. Two if they trade Stro.

 

Kikuchi would be great. At least one shiny new toy in an otherwise boring offseason.

[Carlos Danger]

IMO Pannone and SRF need to start in Buffalo this year and be available as our 6-7 SPs. With Stro, Sanchez, Ryan Borucki and Shoemaker penciled in as top 4 if healthy we need at least one more of this type of player. Someone with past success looking to build up their resume to cash in next off season. Ervin Santana would be a great add. Someone that can pitch when healthy at the top half of the rotation and would be a great chip to sell at the trade deadline. It will be too much of a s*** show for the new manager if you can't have semi decent innings eaters in your rotation.

 

Why put SRF and Panone in AAA.. What will that do for them? They did relatively fine in the majors last year. Even though it was late season, they were battling playoff teams fighting for the Division or teams trying to make a WC.. The best way to learn about combat, is to be in Combat.

 

A lot of people here are assuming Stroman, Sanchez and now Shoemaker will be better pitchers than our young guns.

 

Neither of those three did anything last yr either due to injuries or performance to make me believe they will pitch better then what we got from SRF and Pannone.

 

I still think Borucki is out best pitcher if you go by performance and not names or legacy.

Edited December 28, 2018 by Carlos Danger

[BTS]

Why put SRF and Panone in AAA.. What will that do for them? They did relatively fine in the mejors last year. Even though it was late season, they were battleing playoff teams fighting for the Division or teams trying to make a WC.. The best way to learn about combat, is to be in Combat.

 

A lot of people here are assuming Stroman, Sanchez and now Shoemaker will be better pitchers than our young guns.

 

Niether of those three did anything last yr either due to injuries or performance to make me believe they will pitch better then what we got from SRF and Pannone.

 

I still think Borucki is out best pitcher if you go by performance and not names or legacy.

 

Look at the guys ahead of them. If you start Pannone and SRF in AAA they'll probably both be up by the end of April and pitch most of the year in the majors anyway. Why not take advantage of options to build as much depth as possible? Especially for someone like Reid-Foley, who will be 23 in 2019, or Pannone, who isn't going be a starter long-term anyway? Relying on mediocre young players to play full seasons in the majors as soon as they get their first taste of MLB action isn't how healthy orgs operate. Have depth everywhere. Let the young guys kick down the door before you relying on them sticking on the 25-man, unless you have a Vlad or Acuna on your hands.

[saskjayfan]

Why put SRF and Panone in AAA.. What will that do for them? They did relatively fine in the mejors last year. Even though it was late season, they were battleing playoff teams fighting for the Division or teams trying to make a WC.. The best way to learn about combat, is to be in Combat.

 

A lot of people here are assuming Stroman, Sanchez and now Shoemaker will be better pitchers than our young guns.

 

Niether of those three did anything last yr either due to injuries or performance to make me believe they will pitch better then what we got from SRF and Pannone.

 

I still think Borucki is out best pitcher if you go by performance and not names or legacy.

 

I like SRF in the majors as well. I think he has the highest ceiling and he pitched very effectively in the minors last year. I don't think he has anything left to prove in the minors. If we were in a position to compete, I could advocate starting him in AAA. Let him go through the ups and downs in the majors this year. We won't have the pressure of actually being in a playoff race.

[Laika]

Matt Shoemaker: Better than Aaron Sanchez

[Carlos Danger]

Look at the guys ahead of them. If you start Pannone and SRF in AAA they'll probably both be up by the end of April and pitch most of the year in the majors anyway. Why not take advantage of options to build as much depth as possible? Especially for someone like Reid-Foley, who will be 23 in 2019, or Pannone, who isn't going be a starter long-term anyway? Relying on mediocre young players to play full seasons in the majors as soon as they get their first taste of MLB action isn't how healthy orgs operate. Have depth everywhere. Let the young guys kick down the door before you relying on them sticking on the 25-man, unless you have a Vlad or Acuna on your hands.

 

I agree 100% on depth, I just don't think we need to block their development in a non- competitive year. I have a feeling we are not going to see many more Shoemaker types for SP and it will all be AAAA Matt Latos types that you can put in AAA. If you can have veteran SP depth in AAA, why not bring up those guys. Works the same if you bring them up in April, no issues with that... I just don't see the need for any more development in AAA for either of those two and think it would be more beneficial in the majors this year since it is "supposedly" going to be non-competitive.

[Captain Adama]

I don’t nenecesarily think Erv is an ideal choice (though I would happily add him) but I strongly agree that Pannone and SRF should start in AAA. The team should be looking to add another SP. Two if they trade Stro.

 

Kikuchi would be great. At least one shiny new toy in an otherwise boring offseason.

 

Shoemaker's highly unlikely to eat up many innings next offseason, I would think the Jays try to sign someone with a better track record of staying healthy. Kikuchi notwithstanding. Hellickson or Gio would be ideal.

 

Keuchel is probably out of the Jays' price range though. I can't see Keuchel going for under 75 million.

[BTS]

I agree 100% on depth, I just don't think we need to block their development in a non- competitive year. I have a feeling we are not going to see many more Shoemaker types for SP and it will all be AAAA Matt Latos types that you can put in AAA. If you can have veteran SP depth in AAA, why not bring up those guys. Works the same if you bring them up in April, no issues with that... I just don't see the need for any more development in AAA for either of those two and think it would be more beneficial in the majors this year since it is "supposedly" going to be non-competitive.

 

I guess our disagreement stems from the fact that I don't think SRF would be hurt by making 5-10 starts in AAA in his age-23 season. If he's the 6th starter on the team, he'll be relied on heavily. Pannone, I just don't really care about at all. If he has an MLB career it's going to be in low-leverage relief or bouncing around the league as a depth starter. I couldn't be less concerned about a fungible piece like this bouncing between the majors and AAA as needed by the MLB club.

[Bobthe4th]

I like SRF in the majors as well. I think he has the highest ceiling and he pitched very effectively in the minors last year. I don't think he has anything left to prove in the minors. If we were in a position to compete, I could advocate starting him in AAA. Let him go through the ups and downs in the majors this year. We won't have the pressure of actually being in a playoff race.

 

TBF even if SRF doesn't start in the rotation he'll be one of the first to be called up when one of Stroman / Sanchez / Shoemaker inevitably gets injured.

[Bobthe4th]

Merryweather will also be thrown into the mix when he returns from TJ, though by then one or two starters may have been traded.

[Captain Adama]

I agree 100% on depth, I just don't think we need to block their development in a non- competitive year. I have a feeling we are not going to see many more Shoemaker types for SP and it will all be AAAA Matt Latos types that you can put in AAA. If you can have veteran SP depth in AAA, why not bring up those guys. Works the same if you bring them up in April, no issues with that... I just don't see the need for any more development in AAA for either of those two and think it would be more beneficial in the majors this year since it is "supposedly" going to be non-competitive.

 

Guys get injured all the time, Pannone and SRF are very likely going to get significant playing time during the year anyway. But there will be a huge issue if Pannone and SRF are all that's left during the year.

 

I don't think Shoemaker's going to be blocking anyone, unless he's miraculously healthy all year.

[glory]

Stroman, Sanchez, Borucki, and Shoemaker is not a rotation I'd expect to be 100% healthy all season.

 

The AAA guys (SRF, Pannone, Paulino, Thornton, Waguespack, Merryweather when he's healthy, etc) will get plenty of opportunities next season.

[Terminator]

Dont expect a ton out of Shoemaker but at that price it won't matter. He's basically free he just needs to be healthy enough to warrant his roster spot is all. Hopefully we can get 15 starts out of him.

[Pendleton]

The average team uses what, 10 starters in a given year? All of our young arms who deserve to get an opportunity, will get one

[baubau]

Shoemaker probably has a more productive season than Sanchez next year. I like the singing, having an additional year of control without any commitment is just gravy as well.

[Slade]

 

 

Doesn't really change much about the deal but there are incentives.

[Superdood]

Love this signing, the guy can be a solid contributor if he can stay healthy. Love the low cost and the 2nd year of control is a nice bonus.

 

Reading tweets from casual fans about the signing, I think I love those even more.

 

A vast majority of the fan base is clueless about this team or how to build a winner properly lol

[Krylian]

We'll see how this plays out. People were excited about Jaime Garcia too.

[Jimcanuck]

The average team uses what, 10 starters in a given year? All of our young arms who deserve to get an opportunity, will get one

 

Patrick Murphy is my dark horse candidate to be a good contributor in 2019 and solid future rotation piece

[Spanky99]

reading 3 or 4 negative twitter posts does not a significant sample size make and attributing those views to vast majority of blue jay fans is pure conjecture. It gets a little tiresome hearing people post how brilliant they are and how dumn the average fan is. It's assumed that everyone who posts on here thinks they are much more intelligent than the average fan. Taking the time to type out that casual fans are dumn is redundant.

 

As far as the signing goes, he's a perfect fit for where we are as a team. I've never been adverse to gambling on injury prone guys though. The cost on this one pretty much makes it a no brainer. I would have kept Tulo for just under 600K a season he would have cost as well.

 

Wat?