Osuna traded to the Astros for Giles, Perez, and Paulino

[Orgfiller]

A lot of us thought Osuna’s arm was going to explode at anytime. Trading him was actually very popular conversation last year and now people seem upset.

 

People are upset (I'm assuming) because they think Osuna was moved solely for PR reasons and assume that they sold low. The likely reality is, the Jays were probably entertaining moving him for some time and this domestic violence case gave them the perfect excuse to explore offers without backlash from the general fanbase and the league as a whole. It's hard to explain why you traded your young star closer who's a fan favourite while the team is retooling, much easier to do so with Osuna's present situation.

[Krylian]

A lot of us thought Osuna’s arm was going to explode at anytime. Trading him was actually very popular conversation last year and now people seem upset.

 

I don't think people are upset about moving him per se. The fear was selling him for $0.50 on the dollar...which didn't happen. I actually like this deal quite a bit.

 

The only ones complaining are the ones that couldn't name you 5 players that aren't Bluejays...or are highly overstating Osuna's true value.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Move your political s*** to the off topic or just go back into not posting.

 

You're the best Kevy

[TheHurl]

BA's article

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/astros-pay-hefty-price-for-blue-jays-roberto-osuna/

 

Hector Perez, RHP

Age: 22

 

After signing as an 18-year-old, Perez has quickly made up for lost time. He recently had been promoted to Double-A Corpus Christi after minor improvements in his delivery helped him show improved control in his final month with high Class A Buies Creek. Perez always has a mid- to upper-90s fastball that can blow some hitters away, but it’s less effective when he has bouts of wildness. His control wavers from below-average to average. Perez throws an extremely hard, 88-90 mph slider with modest depth and he’s improved his splitter that serves as his changeup. At the least, he should be an effective power reliever for the Blue Jays. But if he can continue to improve his secondary pitches and his control, he has the makings of a potential mid-rotation starter.

 

David Paulino, RHP

Age: 24

 

Paulino has long been one of the most talented pitchers in the Astros' farm system, but he also has been one of the most frustrating. Between injuries and a suspension, the 6-foot-7 Paulino has thrown just 273.1 innings in eight pro seasons and he’s never thrown more than 90 innings in a season. Paulino has missed time with Tommy John surgery, a disciplinary suspension, elbow soreness, bone chips in his elbow and an 80-game suspension for testing positive for a performance-enhancing drug.

 

This year, he’s missed most of the season with a shoulder injury, although he has returned to action and was working on a rehab assignment in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League. If Paulino tests positive again, he will be suspended for a full season. Paulino’s fastball isn’t as firm as it was at his best in 2015-2016, but it’s still a potential plus pitch with plenty of angle and velocity. His curveball gives him a second plus offering. His changeup has even flashed plus as well, although getting all three synced up has been difficult because Paulino has missed so much time. Paulino is a perfect buy-low candidate to acquire in a trade. His struggles to stay healthy may prevent him from reaching his still-lofty ceiling, but if he puts it all together he could still be a mid-rotation starter or an elite reliever.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Please allow me to do the same thing for Osuna

 

He is mentally fragile and had to leave the team last year after a breakdown.

He knocked up multiple women last year

He beat up one woman this year

He is roundly disliked by his teammates, and was upset that no one supported him publicly

He was upset that he had to get his own lawyer rather than a team appointed one

 

All of these are facts or things I heard directly from team sources. Paints a bad picture of him that makes it sound like he's a head case. I guess Houston is getting a s***** pitcher as well as a s***** person.

 

ALL CLOSERS are head cases.

 

Does this include Tom Henke? He seemed like a genuinely nice guy

[Krylian]

Does this include Tom Henke? He seemed like a genuinely nice guy

 

He's the first one I thought of too. Not a head case. Mariano seemed pretty even keel from what I recall.

[Agk47]

But Giles has actually had a s*** load of on field success. One blowout in the playoffs in a SSS scenario doesn’t scare me. That’s happened to a lot of relievers. Maybe he just didn’t want to be in Houston anymore. You can’t put everything on the player.

 

He’s also somewhere between jon rocker and Carl Everett on the crazy scale. He appears to be the definition of combustible. It will take more than a season or two of elite numbers for him to renter the circle of trust for true contending teams.

 

I almost hope he goes off so I can read about the time JOHN gibbons stone cold stunnered the f*** out of ken Giles.

 

Seriously though, he appears to have fallen a rung or two in the closer hierarchy.

[GeorgiaPeach]

He's the first one I thought of too. Not a head case. Mariano seemed pretty even keel from what I recall.

 

John Franco, Rollie Fingers, Dan Quisenberry, Dan Plesac, John Smoltz

[Jonn]

People are upset (I'm assuming) because they think Osuna was moved solely for PR reasons and assume that they sold low. The likely reality is, the Jays were probably entertaining moving him for some time and this domestic violence case gave them the perfect excuse to explore offers without backlash from the general fanbase and the league as a whole. It's hard to explain why you traded your young star closer who's a fan favourite while the team is retooling, much easier to do so with Osuna's present situation.

 

I think its the way people build things up in their head. My fear was that the Jays were going to get a lackluster return for Osuna because of the PR s*** storm they were going to face from our SJW heavy media. But it was actually a pretty good return so I come out actually feeling great.

 

And when you look back at the Happ trade before July we were thinking about one of the Yankees better pitching prospects. Not Justus Sheffield but definitely someone to get excited about. Than we heard the faint possibility of Clint Frazier. Ultimately Happ struggled in July. The asking price came down. And the return was disappointing.

 

Its all mind set. Ultimately we don’t know the end game. Drury might be someone who was coveted by the industry and the Jays plan to display him for 2 months and ultimately move him for something they want more in the off-season. He really just doesn’t seem like a fit for us at all. But apparently has a lot of industry appeal so it definitely has me thinking.

[Deadpool]

 

"I get scared every time he comes in" "he's lost all confidence"... What a f***ing s*** trade.

 

Yeah, let's ask the f***ing morons that call Jays Talk their opinions of the trade... Casuals are the lowest form of life.

[Agk47]

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

[Agk47]

Or have a time machine? How

I suppose it's not a slam dunk win for the Jays if you think Giles is terrible and Paulino + Perez have "middle relief upside"

 

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

[Chappy]

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

 

If they both end up as 8th inning candidates we still win this deal unless Giles completely implodes and we get absolutely nothing for him. In that case we lose but not a crippling deal. As of right now this is a solid deal and we have addded prospect currency and a major league backend option with control to work with.

[King]

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

I'm curious to see how you come to the conclusion that Paulino is fireballing crap. His numbers are elite at every level, save for a hiccup in the majors with HR problems. He might be a reliever due to shoulder problems and lack of innings pitched but the talent seems there.

 

edit: Not to mention, I would think that he has the potential to be a damn good reliever if that's what it comes to. He has the swing+miss stuff and never had an issue throwing strikes.

Edited July 31, 2018 by King

[Agk47]

I'm curious to see how you come to the conclusion that Paulino is fireballing crap. His numbers are elite at every level, save for a hiccup in the majors with HR problems. He might be a reliever due to shoulder problems and lack of innings pitched but the talent seems there.

 

Hmm I stand corrected, given he’s been pitching for the likes of Corpus Christi — his numbers are far from mediocre, I’d imagine his advance stats must be pretty jazzy. I must have been squinting.....

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/paulida01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

 

Given his stuff, maybe I should take a closer look in the morning...

[Deadpool]

Anecdotally, I'm excited that we have a pitcher that might hit 100 in a game for the first time since Brandon League...

[Grant77]

Anecdotally, I'm excited that we have a pitcher that might hit 100 in a game for the first time since Brandon League...

 

Roberto Osuna has done that himself, along with at least Bo Schultz and Miguel Castro.

[Bobthe4th]

Paulino (suspension), Giles (demotion), Perez (only starting to find his control) all look like buy lows on paper. That's what makes this a fairly even trade. It's depressed asset for deppressed assetts but by going this route, the Jays didn't take a bath talent wise and seen to even have come out ahead.

 

This is the best take. It’s effectively a swap of 2 elite closers that could no longer play for their teams, with a couple of prospects thrown in as Osuna is younger and a bit better. We’ll come out on top if Giles is our closer for a while and then traded for a haul.

 

P.s you should post more!

[Jonn]

Roberto Osuna has done that himself, along with at least Bo Schultz and Miguel Castro.

 

I believe Brandon Morrow hit 100 MPH before as well.

[King]

Neil Wagner hit 100

[Abomination]

I believe Brandon Morrow hit 100 MPH before as well.

 

So has Sanchez

[Grant77]

So has Sanchez

 

Fangraphs says not.

[Abomination]

Fangraphs says not.

 

Actually it does. I really don't know what to tell you beyond that, other than you're flat out wrong. 100.2 MPH in 2014, and 100.0 in 2015.

[baseball player 3.0]

I agree with you also... You can both be right you know..

 

I was over Osuna even prior to the DV.... I am just saying, getting Giles back is trading one issue for the other... I think Osuna is well on his way to blowing a lot more saves in the future.. Giles is already there....

 

I was never sold on Osuna, I never felt confidence with him on the mound like I did with Ward and Henke when we had our playoff run in 15-16

[Grant77]

Actually it does. I really don't know what to tell you beyond that, other than you're flat out wrong. 100.2 MPH in 2014, and 100.0 in 2015.

 

My bad. Fangraphs defaults to the previous 3 years and I thought it was showing his entire career.

[Spanky99]

I was never sold on Osuna, I never felt confidence with him on the mound like I did with Ward and Henke when we had our playoff run in 15-16

 

[Boxcar]

Actually it does. I really don't know what to tell you beyond that, other than you're flat out wrong. 100.2 MPH in 2014, and 100.0 in 2015.

 

Grant has never been wrong and nothing has changed

[BTS]

Has there been any indication as to where the new guys will be assigned?

[Pendleton]

Has there been any indication as to where the new guys will be assigned?

 

I can't find anything, which leads me to believe they can't be certain where they are sending them until they finalize another move or three today.

[Spanky99]

I can't find anything, which leads me to believe they can't be certain where they are sending them until they finalize another move or three today.

 

Yeah, the only thing I heard on the tele last night was Giles will be in Oakland tomorrow, nothing else. They don't have to do anything until prior to the game, it's going to be an interesting day. Wouldn't mind seeing Clippard/Axford and Loup moved for International slot money at the least, seems Grandy will be on his way to one of Phillie or Yanks.