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Couldn’t help wondering if San Diego called up naylor to showcase to us as a potential headliner in a trade. I looked over San Diego’s depth chart; we line up well with them in terms of needs: they could really use a high leverage reliever and a couple of young veteran number 2/3 types to anchor their rotation. Heck they even need middle infield depth. I wonder what are the chances of another legacy trade between the two teams. Giles, stro, Sanchez and sogard for naylor, Baez plus plus plus plus I figure San Diego only has so many roster spots to go around. There’s a time value to prospects, eventually their management will get squeezed. They kind of have to make a big splash. Plus they’re loaded with sp prospects. And they’re notoriously cheap. and our main Assets are all cost controlled. And naylor is blocked. And San Diego is in win now mode and they don’t have the years to invest in sorting out their mountain of top pitching prospects. On paper it looks like a perfect storm for an epic ten player trade.

Here’s a fun one, Who’s more underrated, Stieb or mcgriff?

Love me some fantasy ball; unfortunately I don’t have the time to invest in a dynasty team anymore. That being said, I am curious now; can us not in the loop posters see the rosters— Im kinda dying to see this champion level young core. 🤓

The d is terrible but that offender has to be better than the 2018 jays! Schoop, hunter strickland, shoemaker, Shelby Miller, Chris Tillman, Pomeranz, cargo, boxburger.... Lots of potential rebound candidates. I wonder if the jays will target any.

Just curious, has Toronto ever bid on an Asian import before?

Mariner’s gonna mariner is starting to become a thing it would appear. Must be at least one top prospect going back to Seattle.

I think it’s fair to say he has a tone of natural ability; he is a gifted athletic. Whether it’s because he is a bit raw or just rusty and behind the curve due to multiple extended layoffs; the results haven’t quite been there yet. Very Tim Beckham-ish but stronger and probably more “toolsy”.

If the Yankees can spend the previous three years rebuilding while remaining competitive/relevant, than so can the blue jays. One thing I’ve learned from the nba — losing builds a losing culture. Chasing lottery balls/prospects fails more than it works and even when it does work— half of those scenarios are a result of luck.

To the clowns who immediately responded and called me a liar who makes things up on a Saturday night. I’m not being defensive. That’s what happened. Donaldson’s a jerk. I do t care if you believe me, it’s saturday night and your instantly responding to my anecdote to call me a liar. Get A life, as in if you had one or any real life experience of your own (of interest) you wouldnt spend your Saturday night discrediting mine. I mean it’s not like I’m bragging about banging Pamela Anderson, I got shoulder blocked to hell into a mailbox— it hurt. To add context, I probably shouldn’t have ogled his girl. It was a real “me and my big mouth moment” Thank god it was a pro and not your run of the Mill juice head or he would have killed me. Believe it or not some people actually have real s*** happen to them. Glad to have provided meaning to your Saturday nights!

My bet is you have a lot going on for yourself.

Don’t care. Get a life.

I once ran into josh Donaldson and I mean literally. He had a smoke show on his arm and was strutting like a bull down the street, chest out, literally high stepping through people. I mean everyone, women, kids, me. He pushed his way through me and I got pinned against mailbox as he shouldered his way through me. Plenty of room on the sidewalk. He went out of his way to do it. I called him an *******, he spun around raised his arm pointing at me like a threat. I told him he was a f***ing ******* and smiled at his chick and stared him down. He’s jacked and could have rag dolled me easily. I’ve never seen someone act like the stereotypical, jock frat boy from a thousand lame movies before. True story— dude is a world class douch.

Yup my first thought. Look back at the last two Cleveland drafts, one of their 2nd 3rd or 4th rd picks that the jays value as equal to or slightly better than roughly the 35th pick in next years draft is probably coming back our way.

What did he lose, everything you just said. Easily 50 million in guaranteed dollars. Josh is a huge d bag, but our management did him dirty in a most incompetent way.

Hmm I stand corrected, given he’s been pitching for the likes of Corpus Christi — his numbers are far from mediocre, I’d imagine his advance stats must be pretty jazzy. I must have been squinting..... https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/paulida01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker- Given his stuff, maybe I should take a closer look in the morning...

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

Yup I don’t see how anyone can look at the two prospects and call them anything more than potential future 8th inning candidates. Paulino is fireballing crap as a starter.

He’s also somewhere between jon rocker and Carl Everett on the crazy scale. He appears to be the definition of combustible. It will take more than a season or two of elite numbers for him to renter the circle of trust for true contending teams. I almost hope he goes off so I can read about the time JOHN gibbons stone cold stunnered the f*** out of ken Giles. Seriously though, he appears to have fallen a rung or two in the closer hierarchy.

Not to be a dick, but baseball is not played on a spreadsheet. Common sense and common consensus around baseball is that the two players aren’t in the same class even if Giles is capable of the same statistical output. Even if they put up the exact same stats— osuna is worth more. This trade demonstrates that.

That’s a good/fair way of putting it. Personally I’ve never been a big believer in Paulino (not that thats worth much). I believe in terms of market value; osunas warts will quickly disappear while Giles will persist. Dude needs to post a sub 2 era next season for us to get a top 50 prospect for him. Otherwise, his particular brand of crazy will be held against him. Osuna, not so much— he’s young and sexy and will continue to be reknowned as a cream of the crop elite reliever. Unless Giles does something crazy good in a jays uniform; people who can look past a spreadsheet will hold his post season blow ups and locker room antics against him. Still a good trade asset but in an older Joakim Soria kind of way (young joakim soria was the truth). I actually really liked the drury/McKinney package and see this as a trade made with the similar philosophy; we need high floor low ceiling guys to compliment our high ceiling lottery tickets. Mind you, I’m more bullish on drury than most in these parts and more bearish on Paulino, but in a vacuum I suppose they make sense for the team. Either way, not trying to be a contrarian but genuinely surprised by the high praise for this trade.

Common sense says osunas track record, youth, makeup on the mound and contract under normal circumstances (like 70 days ago and 70 days from now) are incredibly respected and sought after throughout the league. A prospect with the potential to be an 8th inning guy really isn’t that valuable. Not trying to be negative— but this is hardly a home run amazing deal for shatkins, far from it—- this deal reaks of “my problem for yours” with a side order of random dude named Perez. Only Houston is buying low and we are buying high. Granted there is reason for optimism for the jays in this deal; paulino was overrated prior to getting busted but does have legitimate potential. Giles is a renowned power arm who has some pretty serious warts, but is capable of putting up an era of 3.00-ish with 10k per 9. If he rebounds over the next calendar year we can probably net 3 more guys at the back end of some teams top 10 prospect list for him. All in all there is potential and room for optimism here, but this is hardly the slam dunk a lot of people are making it out to be, far from it unless shatkins pulls a couple of rabbits named Perez out of his hat.

was alluding to how we may be mimicking the incompetent reds management team by selling at his lowest point which will in all likelihood prove to be a micro fraction of time in the players career. Once again Rogers sabatoges the team, yay!

Ya kind of surprised by the near unanimous love for this trade; I’m almost praying that osuna is about to be banned from playing in Canada — we clearly traded a guy who not 71 days ago had one of the higher trade values in the league for 60 cents on the dollar. A potentially washed up reliever and two middle relief prospects for a guy that could have easily brought in 2 top 100 prospects not but 70 days ago and 70 days from now. Unless the jays know something we don’t, we’re winning like Cincinnati reds fans.

“Let’s go reds” Clap...clap...clap clap clap “Let’s go reds” Clap...clap...clap clap clap

Would chance adams from the yanks be a realistic ask?