Jays Trade Deadline Thread

[Bobthe4th]

then make it ya bike!!!!

 

Just kidding I like the concept of mods and regulars making threads rather than newbies and drunks

 

Yeah it’d be cool if there was a post limit before starting a thread.

[Terminator]

Baseball is a game of streaks. The good players just have fewer and less time in between their cold streaks.

 

Yeah he's definitely not a great player but he's in a cold spell right now. I bet he plays better than he has and he's the 1-2 WAR player we all thought he was when we acquired him. He's getting bit by the BABIP monster right now. Hitting the ball as good as he ever has but his BABIP is about 30 points lower than his career norm.

[Jonn]

How does Oh not make that list? His value is much greater than Clippard's. Do some of you not realize that he's up to 0.8 WAR, has been pitching at an elite level for nearly a month now (2 ER in his last 18 appearances?), and has a super-friendly team option for next season?

 

He should be the first dude out after Happ.

 

How does Oh not make list of being 100 percent traded? Easy... He has a team option and isn't guaranteed to get moved.

[metafour]

How does Oh not make list of being 100 percent traded? Easy... He has a team option and isn't guaranteed to get moved.

 

The team isn't contending next season and he's a 36 year old reliever. Team option means his value is greater than that of just a rental. His value will never be higher, and he has no long-term use for our team, ergo NOT trading him would be absolutely ridiculous, especially considering that he's pitching on a "high streak" heading into the deadline.

[Terminator]

I really hope we get aggressive and make a ton of moves at the deadline. There is very little reason not to. We are out of it this year and our minor league system is finally going to start bearing some fruit so the Happ's and Estrada's can be replaced by the Borucki's and the SRF's next year.

 

Every name BTS listed but for Donaldson (wait until August or just try and bring him back on a QO/1 year deal) and Osuna (value is at its lowest point) should get shopped hard. I also hope we eat a bunch of salaries in order to maximize our returns.

[Laika]

I'm actually shocked that Oh's numbers are good. For some reason I thought he was having a very mediocre, 0.0 WAR type season and giving up a bunch of dingers.

[Laika]

Clippard, Oh and Tepera should probably be on the move. Plenty of teams looking for good relief arms.

 

There might not be much of a market for any (or all) of these guys.

[Terminator]

There might not be much of a market for any (or all) of these guys.

 

I wonder if we ate their salaries and threw them into trades if that could help us get better returns. I.E. trade Happ and a zero dollar Oh to get something better.

[BTS]

I think there would be interest in Oh and Tepera - both of these guys are good enough to be used in important spots in the playoffs as a 6th-inning guy or something. And both would be around next season too. I could see Loup maybe returning some team's 40th best prospect or something if the right team needs a lefty.

 

It's hard to see anyone wanting Clippard, and almost certainly nobody will want Axford. Maybe I'm biased because Clippard doesn't ever really look good out there even though his results have been alright, but I really can't see acquiring him with the intention of using him in the playoffs.

[Slade]

[glory]

Clippard's actually having a pretty decent year. 0.6 WAR, 3.15 ERA/3.89 FIP, 10.64 K/9.

 

Combine that with his vetrin presents and 'closer mentality' and maybe we get a lotto ticket out of it.

[BTS]

 

I'd prefer to have Frazier than someone like Abreu or Sheffield.

[Terminator]

 

Happ, Oh and some $$$ to cover some salary for Frazier and a lotto ticket.

[glory]

I'd prefer Frazier over their pitching prospects too, but if Cashman is trying to "push him" in trades, then I'm kinda reluctant now. Cashman never trades good prospects. He usually trades the overhyped ones.

[Shart]

 

For some strange reason this news is somewhat arousing on a mostly non-sexual way.

[Orgfiller]

I had not realized that Clint Frazier has been tearing s*** up at AAA.

[Slade]

Not that surprising that the sheen has kind of worn off on Frazier, third year in AAA still 30% K rate and a poor fielder. Hasn't shown much at the Major league level although hasn't gotten a long look.

 

I'd still be happy with Frazier for Happ deal.

[mphenhef]

I'd prefer Frazier over their pitching prospects too, but if Cashman is trying to "push him" in trades, then I'm kinda reluctant now. Cashman never trades good prospects. He usually trades the overhyped ones.

 

 

He might be pushing him due to the presence of Stanton, judge and Hicks and the rumoured pursuit of Harper to come.

[Laika]

I think there would be interest in Oh and Tepera - both of these guys are good enough to be used in important spots in the playoffs as a 6th-inning guy or something. And both would be around next season too. I could see Loup maybe returning some team's 40th best prospect or something if the right team needs a lefty.

 

It's hard to see anyone wanting Clippard, and almost certainly nobody will want Axford. Maybe I'm biased because Clippard doesn't ever really look good out there even though his results have been alright, but I really can't see acquiring him with the intention of using him in the playoffs.

 

It just seems like good RHRP are so common these days. Every good team likely already has enough of them, and even if they feel like they need to add they are probably setting their sights higher than Toronto's dudes.

 

Maybe.

[Jonn]

The team isn't contending next season and he's a 36 year old reliever. Team option means his value is greater than that of just a rental. His value will never be higher, and he has no long-term use for our team, ergo NOT trading him would be absolutely ridiculous, especially considering that he's pitching on a "high streak" heading into the deadline.

 

I am not disagreeing with you on that. My list was players who will for sure be gone by the 3PM on July 31st. If you get a good offer for Oh you 100 percent deal him and don't think twice. I know how inconsistent relievers can be year to year. But you aren't giving Oh away for a lottery ticket. He would be a guy you would love to have back at 2.5 million next season where he once again would be a trade candidate.

[BTS]

Not that surprising that the sheen has kind of worn off on Frazier, third year in AAA still 30% K rate and a poor fielder. Hasn't shown much at the Major league level although hasn't gotten a long look.

 

I'd still be happy with Frazier for Happ deal.

 

I think he's actually restored some prospect shine this year. He's handled AAA really well and cut the K-rate to 23%, and he's only 23.

[sdyment]

So, does the Brad Hand trade increase Happ’s price? Seems like an overpay for CLE...?

[Laika]

If Teoscar hits the ball hard enough to overcome his approach issues, then Frazier surely has a chance.

 

He's probably a tick better than Teoscar at nearly everything, right?

[metafour]

So, does the Brad Hand trade increase Happ’s price? Seems like an overpay for CLE...?

 

Brad Hand has three years of control left (two more cheap years plus a team option) and they also gave up a kid with a 1.1 WAR to date who has five years of control as well. Its not really comparable.

[Boxcar]

I'd prefer Frazier over their pitching prospects too, but if Cashman is trying to "push him" in trades, then I'm kinda reluctant now. Cashman never trades good prospects. He usually trades the overhyped ones.

 

He traded Austin Jackson.

[TheHurl]

Injuries to other teams relief pitchers might change thing, but what teams competing would be getting enough of an upgrade that they slot Clippard, Tepera or Oh into high leverage situations?

 

Teams want guys that have been doing it for years like Hand, LHP's or multi inning guys.

[Abomination]

Injuries to other teams relief pitchers might change thing, but what teams competing would be getting enough of an upgrade that they slot Clippard, Tepera or Oh into high leverage situations?

 

Teams want guys that have been doing it for years like Hand, LHP's or multi inning guys.

 

Well, to be fair Oh IS a guy who has been doing it for years.

[Captain Adama]

Brad Hand has three years of control left (two more cheap years plus a team option) and they also gave up a kid with a 1.1 WAR to date who has five years of control as well. Its not really comparable.

 

The Indians were hurting much more for bullpen help than the Yankees are for starting pitching, and like you said, they have years of control. Especially since Allen and Miller are gone next year.

[Spanky99]

Happ, Oh and some $$$ to cover some salary for Frazier and a lotto ticket.

 

Yanks don't need depth in the pen.

[Spanky99]

Not that surprising that the sheen has kind of worn off on Frazier, third year in AAA still 30% K rate and a poor fielder. Hasn't shown much at the Major league level although hasn't gotten a long look.

 

I'd still be happy with Frazier for Happ deal.

 

lol... that'd be all. I'd run with it....