What can we get for JA Happ?

[Spanky99]

There's rumblings about the Yankees being very unhappy with Gray, and thinking about trading him. I still think Happ for Gray would be good for us.

 

I don't get this take.

[Jonn]

Do not let Happ take the hill again.

 

He turned into the old Happ. Hes just throwing as hard he can and he can’t get through 5 innings.

[Abomination]

I don't get this take.

 

Should be fairly cheap next year, road splits in line with his career numbers. If we're out of it next year (likely), then we probably get a similar return for him as we get for Happ this year. If he pitches great in the last two months this year, he might return something nice over the winter. I just don't think we're gonna get much of a return right now, given what other players are fetching so far.

[Spanky99]

Should be fairly cheap next year, road splits in line with his career numbers. If we're out of it next year (likely), then we probably get a similar return for him as we get for Happ this year. If he pitches great in the last two months this year, he might return something nice over the winter. I just don't think we're gonna get much of a return right now, given what other players are fetching so far.

 

We haven't seen a SP moved yet? Pitching gets the best take, including relievers.

[Terminator]

Can you post K- Laws mid-season in the MILB thread please. Also, teams have to know what Happ is at this point, unless you mean to avoid an injury date?

 

Sure. And yeah injury is a part of it but he's been pitching like crap. When you get a guy for 2 months I think it's easier to swallow making the trade when he's coming off a good start rather than a poor one, however minuscule that might be.

[Daniel Labude]

https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-price-drops-on-yankees-trade-target-ja-happ/287108898

 

This doesn't bode well for us getting a great return lol

[John_Havok]

https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-price-drops-on-yankees-trade-target-ja-happ/287108898

 

This doesn't bode well for us getting a great return lol

 

Anyone expecting a top 50ish prospect for Happ is dreaming.

[John_Havok]

[Krylian]

Anyone expecting a top 50ish prospect for Happ is dreaming.

 

Gee. Maybe Happ's value has dropped. I guess the ones claiming that it may have aren't completely retarded.

[glory]

Gee. Maybe Happ's value has dropped. I guess the ones claiming that it may have aren't completely retarded.

 

I don't think Happ's value was ever really high to begin with. Well, it is maybe high in terms of what a rental can get nowadays, but not high as in getting another team's top prospects. I think two B/B- prospects is probably realistic. Shatkins probably waiting for a team to get desperate but Happ isn't good enough for that. Donaldson if he was healthy maybe, but not Happ.

[John_Havok]

Gee. Maybe Happ's value has dropped. I guess the ones claiming that it may have aren't completely retarded.

 

His value this season was never a top 50 prospect at any point.

[Jonn]

Happ has been getting shelled all July and struggled to get through 5 innings against the 29-73 Orioles. I doubt teams are lining up to overpay for him. It's really a shame because up until July he was having a career year. The strikeout numbers are still good though.

[Daniel Labude]

Happ has been getting shelled all July and struggled to get through 5 innings against the 29-73 Orioles. I doubt teams are lining up to overpay for him. It's really a shame because up until July he was having a career year. The strikeout numbers are still good though.

 

Didn't he strike out 10 lol

[Krylian]

His value this season was never a top 50 prospect at any point.

 

No. It was two B level prospects like I've said from the beginning. We'll see what the actual return is.

[Krylian]

Didn't he strike out 10 lol

 

Strikeouts are nice... But having trouble getting through 5 is a problem. A few more days to wait and then we can dissect what happens or doesn't happen.

[John_Havok]

No. It was two B level prospects like I've said from the beginning. We'll see what the actual return is.

 

I don't disagree. That's why I'm wondering why these other knuckleheads seem to think that asking for top 30-50 guys and being told to stuff it is "his value dropping"

[glory]

Happ has been getting shelled all July and struggled to get through 5 innings against the 29-73 Orioles. I doubt teams are lining up to overpay for him. It's really a shame because up until July he was having a career year. The strikeout numbers are still good though.

 

Last two starts: 1.04 era, 1.89 fip, 8.2 ip 1 bb, 15 k, 9 hits (7 singles, a double, and a HR to Betts on his 45th pitch in an inning or something crazy like that).

 

High pitch counts definitely a concern but defence behind him has been ass.

[Daniel Labude]

Strikeouts are nice... But having trouble getting through 5 is a problem. A few more days to wait and then we can dissect what happens or doesn't happen.

 

Depends on the team. If he went to the Yankees he is probably pulled after 5 every game cause....why not lol

[Krylian]

I don't disagree. That's why I'm wondering why these other knuckleheads seem to think that asking for top 30-50 guys and being told to stuff it is "his value dropping"

 

The asking price is dropping seems to be the truth. I'm just curious if the actual return will be what I envisioned it would be all along... Or has a lousy July made an impact on that.

[John_Havok]

Depends on the team. If he went to the Yankees he is probably pulled after 5 every game cause....why not lol

 

Especially now. Their pen now has Betances, Britton (assuming no snags to the trade pop up), Robertson and Chapman. That's 4+ innings of "good f***in luck" for hitters

[glory]

Especially now. Their pen now has Betances, Britton (assuming no snags to the trade pop up), Robertson and Chapman. That's 4+ innings of "good f***in luck" for hitters

 

You forgot Chad Green.

 

5 innings of Happ would actually be perfect for that team.

[John_Havok]

The asking price is dropping seems to be the truth. I'm just curious if the actual return will be what I envisioned it would be all along... Or has a lousy July made an impact on that.

 

Of course the asking price is dropping.. asking price dropping is not the same as value dropping.... if gold is worth 1000 per ounce but you ask for 1500.... then get told to f*** off, and then ask for 1000 per ounce, that's not value dropping.

[John_Havok]

You forgot Chad Green.

 

5 innings of Happ would actually be perfect for that team.

 

Didn't forget him, just that he slides down the pecking order. Even with 5 innings from any pitcher, Green wouldn't even be needed in the playoffs. That's insane to think about

[glory]

The asking price is dropping seems to be the truth. I'm just curious if the actual return will be what I envisioned it would be all along... Or has a lousy July made an impact on that.

 

I think teams know what Happ is at this point. If he had a better defence behind him and pitched 6 innings and say 1 or 2 runs against the Red Sox, what do the Yankees offer? More than they are willing to now? I don't think teams operate like that. Happ has established himself as a 3 war type starter over a full season. That is what he has been so far this year. His value is probably the same as it always was. The only way it would have changed for the better is if he was pitching like DeGrom or something (would have changed for the worse if he was pitching awful, on the flip side).

[P2F]

The asking price is dropping seems to be the truth. I'm just curious if the actual return will be what I envisioned it would be all along... Or has a lousy July made an impact on that.

 

So if the Jays get less in return for Happ than what Krylian envisioned all along, how would you know it's because his value dropped and not just because you overvalued his market in the first place?

Edited July 25, 2018 by P2F

[flafson]

Top 50 prospect was always a tall ask, I'd be very happy with top ~100 prospect.

[Krylian]

So if the Jays get less in return for Happ than what Krylian envisioned all along, how would you know it's because his value dropped and not just because you overvalued his market in the first place?

 

Most overvalued his value if you go back and look at what people were hoping for.

[Spanky99]

TIL trade rumours are GOSPEL!!!

[glory]

Most overvalued his value if you go back and look at what people were hoping for.

 

Hoping for is not the same as expecting.

[Spanky99]

Hoping for is not the same as expecting.

 

Right, not one SP has been moved yet, no-one knows the market yet, especially guys looking for hits on twitter:rolleyes:, of course teams/sources will say the ask is too high, it's all posturing.