Please call up Vlad Guerrero Jr. Thread

[John_Havok]

I think FOs are smart now that if there was a pre-arb extension no matter the team's market size it makes sense to do a deal. The Cubs tried to talk to Bryant about an extension and he basically said no thanks. Players and agents know how much those prime FA years are worth, they aren't dumb anymore.

 

Pretty sure Acuna even turned down a deal, but I could be wrong.

 

I'm saying a 10/100 year deal makes sense for both sides if its all guarenteed. But 6/40 with 4 Club options? Zero chance in hell Vlad takes that.

 

Yeah but 100 million guaranteed is way too much risk for the team. It has to be mitigated.

 

6/40 guaranteed is double what any prospect had been guaranteed in the past.

 

Hypothetical then, if the Jays offered 6/40 do you think Vlad turns it down or not? No options... nothing, just 6 years 40 M straight up.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah but 100 million guaranteed is way too much risk for the team. It has to be mitigated.

 

6/40 guaranteed is double what any prospect had been guaranteed in the past.

 

Hypothetical then, if the Jays offered 6/40 do you think Vlad turns it down or not? No options... nothing, just 6 years 40 M straight up.

 

I think he accepts that if he knows he's brought up now. Then the contract starts next season. Not much incentive for the Jays to do that though, you may as well offer 10/100 if you are going to do that. Those FA years could be worth $40-$50 Million per once he becomes a FA.

 

Again there aren't really any comparables since generational type prospects hardly ever sign this early.

[John_Havok]

I think he accepts that if he knows he's brought up now. Then the contract starts next season. Not much incentive for the Jays to do that though, you may as well offer 10/100 if you are going to do that. Those FA years could be worth $40-$50 Million per once he becomes a FA.

 

Again there aren't really any comparables since generational type prospects hardly ever sign this early.

 

And I wouldn't blame him if he didn't take it, if it was on the table, which it likely isn't. ... but it's a nice thought exercise anyways.

 

You're right that there are no true comparables, but it would be nice to see somethung like this get done if for no other reason than to alleviate the annual arbitration ********.

[glory]

10/100 guaranteed seems like it would be a risk for the team, but chances are they will be seeing surplus value on that deal by year 3 or 4. I know prospects can bust but he's not a typical prospect. He doesn't strike out, makes Stanton-like hard contact, high hit tool, and practically no weakness with the bat. Guys like Snider had troubling K rates. Those types are more high risk.

 

If Vlad takes 10/100, sign the damn thing tomorrow and call him up.

[John_Havok]

10/100 guaranteed seems like it would be a risk for the team, but chances are they will be seeing surplus value on that deal by year 3 or 4. I know prospects can bust but he's not a typical prospect. He doesn't strike out, makes Stanton-like hard contact, high hit tool, and practically no weakness with the bat. Guys like Snider had troubling K rates. Those types are more high risk.

 

If Vlad takes 10/100, sign the damn thing tomorrow and call him up.

 

I'm pity the first owner should signs a prospect to 10/100 guaranteed, assuming the current system remains in place. The other 29 owners would probably want him strung up

[TheHurl]

5000 tickets for every game the rest of the season = approximately $10M and about $15M per year.

 

Fans throw around $10M suggestions when signing players all the time...but freak out about attendance. it's not the biggest factor at all.

[saskjayfan]

I'm pity the first owner should signs a prospect to 10/100 guaranteed, assuming the current system remains in place. The other 29 owners would probably want him strung up

 

Yeah, I'm sure the majority of teams love the handful of teams that regularly spend 100 million more than they do in payroll. You don't need permission to colour outside the lines and do something bold. I really could give a flying F... what the Yankees or Red Sox or San Diego Padres think. I would offer Vlad 10 year 100 mil in a heart beat. I don't think he would accept it though. I don't see how offering a 19 year old 100 mil for 10 years of service is more risk than offering pitchers like Greinke and Price over 200 mil for 6 and 7 year deals.

[Krylian]

Yeah, I'm sure the majority of teams love the handful of teams that regularly spend 100 million more than they do in payroll. You don't need permission to colour outside the lines and do something bold. I really could give a flying F... what the Yankees or Red Sox or San Diego Padres think. I would offer Vlad 10 year 100 mil in a heart beat. I don't think he would accept it though. I don't see how offering a 19 year old 100 mil for 10 years of service is more risk than offering pitchers like Greinke and Price over 200 mil for 6 and 7 year deals.

 

Well... The main risk is that Greinke and Price have shown that they can do it, at an elite rate, at the Major League level. Vladdy hasn't shown anything beyond AA. That's not to say I don't think that he won't be great, but he's less of a guarantee than sometime who's already done it before... Multiple times.

[John_Havok]

Yeah, I'm sure the majority of teams love the handful of teams that regularly spend 100 million more than they do in payroll. You don't need permission to colour outside the lines and do something bold. I really could give a flying F... what the Yankees or Red Sox or San Diego Padres think. I would offer Vlad 10 year 100 mil in a heart beat. I don't think he would accept it though. I don't see how offering a 19 year old 100 mil for 10 years of service is more risk than offering pitchers like Greinke and Price over 200 mil for 6 and 7 year deals.

 

To address your first point: It's not really the dollar amount itself the owners would have an issue with, its the fact that all teams have 6 (or 7) cost controlled seasons of a prospect, with no competition or competition from others clubs, so offering someone a guaranteed salary that large would be completely unnecessary when, even if he is an all star hitter and worth a ton of money, you get the first 3 of those years at league minimum. By paying a kid that much up front, they'd be potentially changing the precedent for young player salaries, and starting to chip away at the one part of the game that is equal for all teams, those first 6-7 years of a players playing life. Once free agency hits, of course it's a free for all and while some owners may lament they fact they cannot pay 30 million per year to a player while others can, there's nothing they can do about it. Even the big spending teams don;t want to change what young guys earn, because that's how they can afford to sign multiple top tier free agents that other clubs can't. Take the cheap players away and even big market teams would see changes.

 

To address your second point: Pitchers have inherently more risk attached to them than hitters because all pitchers get hurt. Every single one. It's really only a matter of time. Position players still get hurt, but it's not to the same degree of pitchers. Every pitcher signed to a long term deal has more risk than hitters, no matter what age the pitcher is.

[Carlos Danger]

Not too opppsed to a 10 yr deal due to the fact he is only 19 and that he would still be under 30. I think he has some body similarities like Prince Fielder and with no grass on the horizon at Rogers center, not sure how his body will hold up long term.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well the contract is likely structered so he makes less than $2 Million each of those first 3 years. But that does set a new precedent for all other contract negotiations to be compared to.

 

At the same time you do what's best for your team and if it came down to 10/100 or not signing him at all you sign him to the 10 year deal.

[Brownie19]

I'm pity the first owner should signs a prospect to 10/100 guaranteed, assuming the current system remains in place. The other 29 owners would probably want him strung up

 

You don't get rich like these owners by worrying about what some other old rich fart thinks about you. Unwritten rules are so f***ing stupid. f***ing f***s.

[burlingtonbandit]

You don't get rich like these owners by worrying about what some other old rich fart thinks about you. Unwritten rules are so f***ing stupid. f***ing f***s.

 

Its the same thing with the poor minor league conditions. Any one owner can pour a few Million bucks so that minor leaguers are better taken care of but no one wants to do it because then it forces the other owners into having to do it.

[jerb]

 

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Jose Altuve leads the major leagues in hits with 73. Pretty good.

 

The minor leagues started a full week after big league games, and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. has 75 hits.

 

Most multi-hit games in MLB: Nick Markakis with 23. Vlad Jr. has 25.

 

Season line: .431/.480/.713. Incredible.

[Pinkfloid]

Now Donaldson injured...

[Pendleton]

[wilko]

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[Jonn]

I would really like to know what the Cardinals offered for Donaldson.

[DigitalRock]

I would really like to know what the Cardinals offered for Donaldson.

 

The Org dropped the ball big time, should have traded him a season ago, this team was never competing for the playoffs, and now he has almost no value. Just dumb. Wish we had a good front office, but so far Atkins and Shapiro have been disappointing.

[Caper]

Question for the stat heads.

 

Is there any precedent for what VGjr is doing? Has any 19 year old ever hit like this through 42 or however many games like Vlad is doing now?

[Brownie19]

I would really like to know what the Cardinals offered for Donaldson.

 

Jack Flaherty + would be my guess.

[Brownie19]

The Org dropped the ball big time, should have traded him a season ago, this team was never competing for the playoffs, and now he has almost no value. Just dumb. Wish we had a good front office, but so far Atkins and Shapiro have been disappointing.

 

That's incredibly unfair man. You'll live a difficult life using this logic on a regular basis.

[Ray]

Question for the stat heads.

 

Is there any precedent for what VGjr is doing? Has any 19 year old ever hit like this through 42 or however many games like Vlad is doing now?

 

I don't think any 19-year-old has ever done what he's doing while walking as much/more than he's striking out in AA. We're legitimately watching one of the greatest AA seasons of all time.

[G-Snarls]

I would really like to know what the Cardinals offered for Donaldson.

 

Need pitching

[DigitalRock]

That's incredibly unfair man. You'll live a difficult life using this logic on a regular basis.

 

LMAo, yeah my life is difficult based on a forum post..good lord, get out more dude.

[Spanky99]

Its the same thing with the poor minor league conditions. Any one owner can pour a few Million bucks so that minor leaguers are better taken care of but no one wants to do it because then it forces the other owners into having to do it.

 

I thought Toronto did, or am I wrong?

[Spanky99]

The Org dropped the ball big time, should have traded him a season ago, this team was never competing for the playoffs, and now he has almost no value. Just dumb. Wish we had a good front office, but so far Atkins and Shapiro have been disappointing.

 

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[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

We're going to finish in third place and miss the post season with or without Vlad

[King]

Is Mike serious? There's no way he believes Vlad is in the minors for anything other than service time issues, right?

 

Also, that's not how you use hashtags. FFS!