Offseason Roster Thread 2017-18

[burlingtonbandit]

Lol its ownership that's dictating them trying to be competitive this year not the FO. Funny how people said Rogers is a good owner because they sit back but really they are the ones stopping the FO from rebuilding.

 

I wonder if the rumour of them selling is why they want to be as competitive as possible this year. Although purchasing a MLB franchise is a long term investment it probably doesn't look good if they trade away all their star players before selling the team.

[Brownie19]

It's not like they missed out on selling anything with their fake competitive season. I'm getting pretty scared that ownership will prevent them from extracting value from JD though.

 

What do you mean? Essentially every player you're thinking of trading is less valuable right now than they were this time one year because they have less control. The only guy who I think now has more value is Smoak. Sleep walking through a lost season just cost this franchise significantly.

[Terminator]

Not rebuilding isn't even a bad thing IMO. Fielding decent teams and keeping this fanbase active might leave the club in a healthier spot than what a rebuild would bring.

 

No more 3 year deals for old players though. I don't care what Shatkins thinks the fanbase/ownership is pressuring them to do, but giving marginal 34 year old talent like Morales shouldn't happen regardless.

[jaysguy44]

Does the Ozuna trade to the Cardinals impact the chances JD is traded there?

[Mavcarter]

lol rogers holding the front office back so they can milk a month of attendance. The casuals will stop caring once they realize the team isn't going anywhere early

[Brownie19]

lol rogers holding the front office back so they can milk a month of attendance. The casuals will stop caring once they realize the team isn't going anywhere early

 

Did Shatkins suggest it was Rogers holding them back? I think there's a chance the FO themselves believe this approach may be the correct one.

[CrackerJack]

Why did Rogers hire Shapiro? What does Rogers regard as Shapiro's #1 responsibility as President and CEO of the Blue Jays? Is it to make $? Do Rogers and Shapiro have different visions about how to make $?

[glory]

Not rebuilding isn't even a bad thing IMO. Fielding decent teams and keeping this fanbase active might leave the club in a healthier spot than what a rebuild would bring.

 

Yeah i agree. Rebuilding after 2016 would have been insane. They went to back to back ALCS's, were selling out every game, having insanely high tv numbers, etc. Shapiro is looking at baseball ops but also has to look at things from an ownership perspective as well. If Donaldson was a free agent after 2016, then that would have been different, but they had two years of control left on him. Trying to piece together a playoff team in 2017 was the right call. Whether it's the right call in 2018 is another story.

 

As long as they keep emphasizing building up the farm system, I'm ok with whichever direction they go in.

[Angrioter]

Hmmm

 

 

That mean: Donaldson 7 years 99999 millions

[Captain Adama]

Rogers has no clue about baseball or how to make money. They are just a monopoly. I can't for the life of me understand how there are people on this board who think Rogers is anything but below average in every walk of life.

 

Well, they're pretty good at making money.

[Mavcarter]

Did Shatkins suggest it was Rogers holding them back? I think there's a chance the FO themselves believe this approach may be the correct one.

 

Shapiro suggesting he would have started a rebuild last year if he could seems to me like the decision to "compete" came from above him. If a front office doesn't want to do whats best for the franchise long-term and wants to tread water because of attendance, they're incredibly incompetent. Shapiro watched over the cleveland rebuild, i highly doubt he's the one that made the decision to continue to "compete"

[G-Snarls]

Well, they're pretty good at making money.

 

Yeah, it's not like they need the Jays to offset bad revenues from cellular service and TV. They're doing OK.

[burlingtonbandit]

Fans won't always support a winning team anyway, there's always peaks and valleys in interest. I don't really see how a team winning around 80 games this year makes future revenues grow.

 

Toronto is a pretty big bandwagon city so as soon as the team becomes good/exciting fans will be buying tickets.

[Daniel Labude]

Does the Ozuna trade to the Cardinals impact the chances JD is traded there?

 

I saw where the cards said they expect 1 of if not 2 deals done in the next week between Ozuna, Donaldson, and Longoria. 1 is done....maybe 40/60 chances on Donaldson?

[jaysguy44]

red sox, blue jays and possibly yankees are among teams in play for eduardo nunez

[Slot Machine]

Yeah i agree. Rebuilding after 2016 would have been insane. They went to back to back ALCS's, were selling out every game, having insanely high tv numbers, etc. Shapiro is looking at baseball ops but also has to look at things from an ownership perspective as well. If Donaldson was a free agent after 2016, then that would have been different, but they had two years of control left on him. Trying to piece together a playoff team in 2017 was the right call. Whether it's the right call in 2018 is another story.

 

As long as they keep emphasizing building up the farm system, I'm ok with whichever direction they go in.

 

Yeah, and if Shapiro was only interested in running an intellectual exercise (as he put it), he would've likely stayed in Cleveland. I assume he took the job in Toronto for an opportunity to do something different, its very likely his belief is that they can rebuild while also remaining competitive.

Edited December 13, 2017 by Slot Machine

[burlingtonbandit]

Wonder if Travis won't be ready to start the season. That would explain interest in Nunez as the utlilty player and Diaz as the fulltime 2nd baseman.

[Brownie19]

Shapiro suggesting he would have started a rebuild last year if he could seems to me like the decision to "compete" came from above him. If a front office doesn't want to do whats best for the franchise long-term and wants to tread water because of attendance, they're incredibly incompetent. Shapiro watched over the cleveland rebuild, i highly doubt he's the one that made the decision to continue to "compete"

 

The reality is Mark Shapiro is the President and CEO of the Blue Jays. His job responsibilities include more than simply building a world series team. You can choose to ignore that (and pretend it is an intellectual exercise with no fans) - but it's true. We don't know if Rogers is meddling or if Mark simply believes that a full tear down - with no regard for the fans - isn't what's best for the franchise long-term.

 

I find it incredibly foolish to generating a strong opinion (of anything) based on those comments. Although it's a very candid statement, we are all truly ignorant on the matter.

Edited December 13, 2017 by Brownie19

[glory]

Yeah, and if Shapiro was only interested in running an intellectual exercise (as he put it) whenever the team hit a down period, he would've likely stayed in Cleveland. I assume he took the job in Toronto for an opportunity to do something different, its very likely his belief is that they can rebuild while also remaining competitive.

 

Yeah, the Jays value as an org has climbed significantly since Shapiro took over. His job is not just baseball related moves, but also for the franchise as a whole. If he wants to invest in new facilities and renovations and things like that, then it's a lot easier to get the funds when the team is good and the money is rolling in. I think if the Jays were the Indians, they would already be in a rebuilding phase by now, but he has to think and act differently in this role, for better or worse.

[Terminator]

red sox, blue jays and possibly yankees are among teams in play for eduardo nunez

 

He'd be a good get. A 2 year deal would be fantastic. Might take 3 to get him though.

[Orgfiller]

Wonder if Travis won't be ready to start the season. That would explain interest in Nunez as the utlilty player and Diaz as the fulltime 2nd baseman.

 

I honestly don't think it's fully relevant whether or not Travis will be ready to start the year. The matter of fact is, he's had season-ending injuries for three years in a row; he's a really nice player to have when healthy and I'm rooting for him, but you have to go into the season with the assumption that Travis might not be healthy for extended periods of time, and come the playoffs, if the team is miraculously in it, you don't know if he'll be there to contribute. I'm glad the front office is pursuing the backup options this aggressively before it's too late in the offseason and you're forced to have Ryan Goins and Darwin Barney types to cover for when our regulars get injured - like always. This team isn't White Sox or Padres or Phillies bad, there's enough talent for a bunch of s*** to go our way and the team to find itself in a playoff position, supplementing our oft-injured players with legitimate plan Bs is how you guarantee that we don't suddenly crash and burn because Devon Travis' knee buckled when the team plane hit some turbulence.

[Sammy225]

Wonder if Travis won't be ready to start the season. That would explain interest in Nunez as the utlilty player and Diaz as the fulltime 2nd baseman.

 

Doesn't matter we can't rely on Travis or Tulo to give us a full season. We need someone who can alleviate duties and play if and when they go down. It might mean giving them a couple more days off a week or something like that.

[glory]

He'd be a good get. A 2 year deal would be fantastic. Might take 3 to get him though.

 

Nunez on a two year deal would work. We know damn well Travis won't play a full season, maybe not even a half season, so between 2B/SS/3B, Nunez will pretty much get a full season's worth of plate appearances. I'd prefer going younger, but having already taken a chance on Diaz, taking another chance on another infielder would be too much uncertainty. Nunez would at least provide some certainty in terms of performance.

[Todd]

When are the blue jays fans going to start to get mad. Watching all the other teams get better

and the jays sitting on there asses.

They talk a good game but are giving all jays fans B.S.

[Jonn]

Nunez is also a guy who can play a decent corner OF as well. They would need full reinsurance on his constant lower body injuries. That kind of scares me considering speed is his greatest asset.

[jaysguy44]

When are the blue jays fans going to start to get mad. Watching all the other teams get better

and the jays sitting on there asses.

They talk a good game but are giving all jays fans B.S.

 

I personally like what Shatkins have been doing with this team.

 

Next move, trade Donaldson.

 

Take a lap Todd

[Brownie19]

Who's this guy impersonating Todd?

[Ray]

Nunez isn't exactly the pinnacle of health and durability. He's only played a full season once in his career, plus he's only getting older. I'd be very wary of giving him $20M-$30M.

 

If we want to bolster infield depth, I say we trade for somewhat proven players who's stock is low. Someone who's a little more cost controlled and younger. Someone like a Jonathan Villar would be perfect.

[P2F]

Nunez isn't exactly the pinnacle of health and durability. He's only played a full season once in his career, plus he's only getting older. I'd be very wary of giving him $20M-$30M.

 

If we want to bolster infield depth, I say we trade for somewhat proven players who's stock is low. Someone who's a little more cost controlled and younger. Someone like a Jonathan Villar would be perfect.

 

How would you feel about acquiring Profar?

[burlingtonbandit]

I honestly don't think it's fully relevant whether or not Travis will be ready to start the year. The matter of fact is, he's had season-ending injuries for three years in a row; he's a really nice player to have when healthy and I'm rooting for him, but you have to go into the season with the assumption that Travis might not be healthy for extended periods of time, and come the playoffs, if the team is miraculously in it, you don't know if he'll be there to contribute. I'm glad the front office is pursuing the backup options this aggressively before it's too late in the offseason and you're forced to have Ryan Goins and Darwin Barney types to cover for when our regulars get injured - like always. This team isn't White Sox or Padres or Phillies bad, there's enough talent for a bunch of s*** to go our way and the team to find itself in a playoff position, supplementing our oft-injured players with legitimate plan Bs is how you guarantee that we don't suddenly crash and burn because Devon Travis' knee buckled when the team plane hit some turbulence.

 

I just meant in terms perhaps Travis isn't going to be healthy for a long time so they've given up hope that he'll even play. I know what you are saying and agree.

 

I think fans expect Travis will be ready to start the season and that he will get injured again at some point but perhaps he's still injured so that is why they looking to spend the $15-$20 million to bring in a guy like Nunez on a 2 year deal.