Shohei Otani signs with Angels

[Abomination]

I think he'll either go to the Yankees or the Rangers

 

I still think it'll be either Yankees, Dodgers, or Mariners. An outside chance of Giants, Angels, or us, for various reasons. I don't think he fits real well with either Texas team (from his point of view).

[metafour]

The dream pitch went well though, and he seemed to like the Trump burial inside of it, so I feel good about our chances .

 

I'm not sure why people assume that "Trump" would scare away a player from Japan. I see this posted all the time, and it really doesn't make much sense if you know anything about the Japanese. Japan as a whole is fairly conservative (especially compared to the modern leftist lunacy of most white Western nations), and they are EXTREMELY xenophobic when it comes to protecting their borders and nationality. The chances are significantly more likely that someone like Ohtani has immigration views that are considerably more in line with Trump than they would be with someone like Trudeau. Because of their isolation, Japan has not succumbed to the PC culture which dominates Western popular culture. Hence why when every self-hating white blogger was outraged when they cast Scarlett Johansson to play a "Japanese" character in the live-action Ghost in the Shell remake, the popular opinion in Japan was that it was actually really cool that a famous white actress was going to play a Japanese anime character. They love when foreigners take interest in their culture (you know, what is now referred to as "cultural appropriation").

[Brownie19]

I'm not sure why people assume that "Trump" would scare away a player from Japan. I see this posted all the time, and it really doesn't make much sense if you know anything about the Japanese. Japan as a whole is fairly conservative (especially compared to the modern leftist lunacy of most white Western nations), and they are EXTREMELY xenophobic when it comes to protecting their borders and nationality. The chances are significantly more likely that someone like Ohtani has immigration views that are considerably more in line with Trump than they would be with someone like Trudeau. Because of their isolation, Japan has not succumbed to the PC culture which dominates Western popular culture. Hence why when every self-hating white blogger was outraged when they cast Scarlett Johansson to play a "Japanese" character in the live-action Ghost in the Shell remake, the popular opinion in Japan was that it was actually really cool that a famous white actress was going to play a Japanese anime character. They love when foreigners take interest in their culture (you know, what is now referred to as "cultural appropriation").

 

Scarlett Johansson can play any f***ing role she wants thank you.

[Key22]

I just can't bring myself to read his posts, I must admit. And without even looking at the post author, I realize who has written it about two sentences in and stop.

 

Yeah I know I am one of the few posters here who actually graduated from high school. I'd post pictures for you non-readers but I don't have the time.

 

The income tax rate in Ontario Canada for amounts over $220,000 is 53.53% while in Miami it is 6% For people in the states in that tax bracket they can easily afford Blue Cross for health insurance which is rock-star medical insurance as good or better than the Canadian healthcare system - like - if they get sick they get an operation that week not a 6 month waiting list. The Canadian system is VASTLY better for the middle class and poor - but NOT for people with any money.

 

https://moneycoachescanada.ca/resources/tax-info/ontario-tax-information/

[Key22]

Completely off topic, but this isn't really nearly as cut and dried as you might think, particularly when you factor in the health-care factors. It's really not an apples to apples comparison, but generally, the top 1% does better in the US, but middle and lower classes pay a lower tax rate in Canada (and that will be even more true if the current Republican tax plan passes...)

 

https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0411/do-canadians-really-pay-more-taxes-than-americans.aspx

 

I would agree though it depends on which state. And of course if I am middle class or poor I'd rather be in Canada - but the baseball players aren't poor and the tax is considerable -

 

Just key in salaries into this helpful Canadian income tax calculator. https://simpletax.ca/calculator and select the province - Ontario - and key in $999,999 as that is as high as it goes. After tax income is $498,892. Indeed, if the new Republican tax bill goes through it is entirely catered to people in the baseball player class.

[Abomination]

Yeah I know I am one of the few posters here who actually graduated from high school. I'd post pictures for you non-readers but I don't have the time.

 

The income tax rate in Ontario Canada for amounts over $220,000 is 53.53% while in Miami it is 6% For people in the states in that tax bracket they can easily afford Blue Cross for health insurance which is rock-star medical insurance as good or better than the Canadian healthcare system - like - if they get sick they get an operation that week not a 6 month waiting list. The Canadian system is VASTLY better for the middle class and poor - but NOT for people with any money.

 

https://moneycoachescanada.ca/resources/tax-info/ontario-tax-information/

 

You have to add the 39.6% federal tax to the Florida 6%. So 45.6% compared to the 53 or whatever for us. Add to that the fact that they only pay that rate for half their games, and you're basically looking at a 4% difference.

[Key22]

You have to add the 39.6% federal tax to the Florida 6%. So 45.6% compared to the 53 or whatever for us. Add to that the fact that they only pay that rate for half their games, and you're basically looking at a 4% difference.

 

Ahh - well if that's the case he should choose Toronto if has any sense - less chance of getting mowed down by an AR15 in traffic.

[FrozenRopes]

The Yankees want him and are prepared to DH him on his non-pitching days.

[Captain Adama]

Yeah I know I am one of the few posters here who actually graduated from high school. I'd post pictures for you non-readers but I don't have the time.

 

The income tax rate in Ontario Canada for amounts over $220,000 is 53.53% while in Miami it is 6% For people in the states in that tax bracket they can easily afford Blue Cross for health insurance which is rock-star medical insurance as good or better than the Canadian healthcare system - like - if they get sick they get an operation that week not a 6 month waiting list. The Canadian system is VASTLY better for the middle class and poor - but NOT for people with any money.

 

https://moneycoachescanada.ca/resources/tax-info/ontario-tax-information/

 

Blue Cross is f***ing awful, like bottom of the barrel. I've never had so much displeasure dealing with an insurance company.

 

It's definitely worse than the Canadian healthcare system.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

You have to add the 39.6% federal tax to the Florida 6%. So 45.6% compared to the 53 or whatever for us. Add to that the fact that they only pay that rate for half their games, and you're basically looking at a 4% difference.

 

That's true, and also since MLB players get paid in USD, he essentially would be getting 20% more (factoring exchange) in spending money when he is spending in Canada.

 

US vs. Canada health insurance arguments are moot in MLB. If a player needs an MRI, he gets an MRI now. Whether he is in TO or Houston.

[Jimcanuck]

If Ohtani is looking to immigrate in addition to playing MLB, Toronto would be a prime destination. Whatever his personal interests may be, Toronto/Ontario/Canada has it.

 

I'd be surprised if TO is not on his short list.

[TheHurl]

[L54]

If Ohtani is looking to immigrate in addition to playing MLB, Toronto would be a prime destination. Whatever his personal interests may be, Toronto/Ontario/Canada has it.

 

I'd be surprised if TO is not on his short list.

 

Confirmation that Ohtani will not be in Toronto

[intrigid]

That's true, and also since MLB players get paid in USD, he essentially would be getting 20% more (factoring exchange) in spending money when he is spending in Canada.

Except everything in Canada is 25% more expensive than than the US so it ends up working against him.

[intrigid]

Not that I know the first thing about this topic, but this whole thread sounds like when everyone was listing reasons why David Price was going to sign in Toronto.

[Grant77]

Not that I know the first thing about this topic, but this whole thread sounds like when everyone was listing reasons why David Price was going to sign in Toronto.

 

I think that he would have if we had offered the same money.

[TheHurl]

Except everything in Canada is 25% more expensive than than the US so it ends up working against him.

 

Not hookers and blow

[jays4life19]

Not that I know the first thing about this topic, but this whole thread sounds like when everyone was listing reasons why David Price was going to sign in Toronto.

 

Really? I don't think many people here thought we were going to resign him. Infact, I don't recall many people even wanting to resign him given the contract we knew he was going to get.

[Sammy225]

Not that I know the first thing about this topic, but this whole thread sounds like when everyone was listing reasons why David Price was going to sign in Toronto.

 

Everyone knew (or should of knew) that David Price was going where the money was. It was ridiculous to think otherwise

[Krylian]

Really? I don't think many people here thought we were going to resign him. Infact, I don't recall many people even wanting to resign him given the contract we knew he was going to get.

 

Yup. Otani isn't going to sign here. The money just isn't there. There'a big difference between $50K and $3M. Even if they trade for cap room, how much can they really add, and what assets would it take to make that happen.

 

Shatkins is/are saying the right things...but at the end of the day he/they know that there's no shot.

[Bobthe4th]

Yup. Otani isn't going to sign here. The money just isn't there. There'a big difference between $50K and $3M. Even if they trade for cap room, how much can they really add, and what assets would it take to make that happen.

 

Shatkins is/are saying the right things...but at the end of the day he/they know that there's no shot.

 

Not a big enough difference to have any affect. If he doesn't sign here it'll have nothing to do with a bonus that will be dwarfed by (1) sponsorship deals and (2) his second major league contract.

 

As others have speculated, once he picks the best fit for him that team can acquire pool money to make an offer respectable for union purposes.

[glory]

Yup. Otani isn't going to sign here. The money just isn't there. There'a big difference between $50K and $3M. Even if they trade for cap room, how much can they really add, and what assets would it take to make that happen.

 

Shatkins is/are saying the right things...but at the end of the day he/they know that there's no shot.

 

This is one of the rare situations where the Jays may have had a better shot if Ohtani was an actual free agent. They still wouldn't have outbid LA or NY probably, but they could have if they wanted to. Now it is purely up to the player. Jays have a chance if they can sell the org as being one that is best for Ohtani's future, but other teams can and will do the same thing. I don't think a couple of mil will be a difference maker. If this guy cared about the money he could have made money in Japan for another year or two and came over and gotten his 9 figure contract in the U.S. when he turned 25. Jays are just going to have to sell the player development dept and city as best they can. Other than that it's out of their control.

[KingKat]

Not a big enough difference to have any affect. If he doesn't sign here it'll have nothing to do with a bonus that will be dwarfed by (1) sponsorship deals and (2) his second major league contract.

 

As others have speculated, once he picks the best fit for him that team can acquire pool money to make an offer respectable for union purposes.

 

I don't think the sponsorship deal is that great of an angle. Yes it opens up Canadian deals but I would think it would also hurt his marketability south of the border.

[Bobthe4th]

I don't think the sponsorship deal is that great of an angle. Yes it opens up Canadian deals but I would think it would also hurt his marketability south of the border.

 

I didn't mean specifically in Toronto, I meant that he'll be able to sign sponsorship deals worth more than $3m who ever he signs for.

[Deadpool]

I don't think the sponsorship deal is that great of an angle. Yes it opens up Canadian deals but I would think it would also hurt his marketability south of the border.

 

I would think that the vast majority of sponsorships that he signs would be in Japan, regardless of where he signed.

[intrigid]

Everyone knew (or should of knew) that David Price was going where the money was. It was ridiculous to think otherwise

 

For the same reason that people should know that about Babe Ruth II.

[Deadpool]

For the same reason that people should know that about Babe Ruth II.

 

Except that's clearly not the case, or he'd wait 2 years and sign a 9 figure deal... Nothing about him coming over this off season suggests that he's looking for an immediate payout (obviously, he'll be paid like a motherf***er once he hits arbitration regardless of where he goes...)

[TheHurl]

Who the f*** in North America is going to endorse this guy? He's a robot that lives in the team dorms on the $1000 a month that his parents give him from his salary. He's eats, sleeps baseball...nothing else.

[tazsub3]

Except everything in Canada is 25% more expensive than than the US so it ends up working against him.

 

i guess you never lived NYC..... if his option is Kc or similar i give that though

[Laika]

Who the f*** in North America is going to endorse this guy? He's a robot that lives in the team dorms on the $1000 a month that his parents give him from his salary. He's eats, sleeps baseball...nothing else.

 

Subway?

 

My two guesses would be that or HDMD apparel.