Neil Ramirez DFA'd

[BTS]

Don't feel like posting a link.

[Laika]

but why

[BTS]

Let's all post our favourite Neil Ramirez memories on this sad day. Mine was the day he was acquired. I really thought he had potential.

[TheHurl]

In a calendar year that makes the Cubs, Brewers, Twins, Giants and now Jays that have dumped him. All while putting up some solid K numbers.

[King]

Tepera should have gone before Ramirez.

[Jonn]

They might get him through waivers. He did go through the NL last time.

[G-Snarls]

And we thought AA ground through waiver claims a lot...

[BTS]

Tepera should have gone before Ramirez.

 

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

[G-Snarls]

Bolsinger recalled

 

Will apparently make at least one spot start

[Terminator]

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

 

Goins over Upton seems to be an example of this. Tepera and other over Barnes, Ramirez, etc. is another example. Giving multiple starts to Latos and especially Lawrence over Bolsinger and others. It's weird.

[King]

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

 

Zeke, Goins, Smoak and Tepera are all replacement level trash but have a roster spot firmly cemented. It's dumbfounding, but Gibby probably likes them or something.

[Grant77]

Goins over Upton seems to be an example of this. Tepera and other over Barnes, Ramirez, etc. is another example. Giving multiple starts to Latos and especially Lawrence over Bolsinger and others. It's weird.

 

Barnes makes more sense because he has options and we can maintain our depth.

[Grant77]

Zeke, Goins, Smoak and Tepera are all replacement level trash but have a roster spot firmly cemented. It's dumbfounding, but Gibby probably likes them or something.

 

It shouldn't be that surprising. Zeke and Smoak are both sporting wRC+ over 100 in a lineup that has struggled overall. Replacement level isn't a subjective term and Carrera has been better than that for a while now.

[King]

It shouldn't be that surprising. Zeke and Smoak are both sporting wRC+ over 100 in a lineup that has struggled overall. Replacement level isn't a subjective term and Carrera has been better than that for a while now.

If Zeke is better than replacement level, it's certainly not by much.

[bzapple]

My favourite Neil Ramirez memory is when I first thought he was Neil Wagner and I was like "oh yeah, that guy"

[Brownie19]

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

 

Look I hate Tepera as much as the next guy, but he's also struck out almost a batter an inning and has posted 0.4 WAR over his past 35 innings. Zeke's put up 1.1 WAR in his last 380 PA's. I'm not sure it's fair to s*** on the FO for keeping these guys around. I suspect they tried to keep Goins around for the very scenario that played out (Tulo injury) as I doubt they think Barney can cover SS for an extended period. Smoak sucks - s*** all over him.

 

 

How long do we wait on Grilli and Howell before you just cut your losses?

[King]

Look I hate Tepera as much as the next guy, but he's also struck out almost a batter an inning and has posted 0.4 WAR over his past 35 innings.

 

Striking out "almost a batter per inning" is nothing when you're walking 4+ as well. He's just plain bad.

[Spanky99]

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

 

Tepera has an option, and they called up Bolsinger. This is dumn.

[TwistedLogic]

This FO seems very hesitant when it comes to replacing marginal talent with higher-upside marginal talent. I guess it's probably about not disrupting the clubhouse if a guy is well-liked? I dunno, Ramirez seems more desirable than Tepera to me. Legit strikeout stuff.

 

Well, Ramirez was literal garbage last year and plenty of clubs haven't found him to be worth a roster spot, so "marginal upgrade" may be the most flattering way you could put that move. I hate Tepera but even if he's worth nothing in the clubhouse, it's probably not worth showing players that they're basically livestock to swap them out for guys who probably suck just as much.

 

Besides, Ramirez will probably make it through waivers so they'll likely still have the option to switch him out with Tepera if they really need to.

[Jays222]

Ramirez never had a chance to be claimed before Toronto claimed him. Hard to say if they can get him through to Buffalo. My guess is a team like Texas picks him up.

[Jonn]

Ramirez never had a chance to be claimed before Toronto claimed him. Hard to say if they can get him through to Buffalo. My guess is a team like Texas picks him up.

 

Actually he went through the entire NL without being claimed. They probably never had interest in keeping him on the MLB roster. The plan was likely always trying to get him to Buffalo. I thought they would send Barnes down. So I'm glad they didn't.

[Jays222]

Actually he went through the entire NL without being claimed. They probably never had interest in keeping him on the MLB roster. The plan was likely always trying to get him to Buffalo. I thought they would send Barnes down. So I'm glad they didn't.

 

Meant to write no AL team had a chance to claim Ramirez.

[Brownie19]

Striking out "almost a batter per inning" is nothing when you're walking 4+ as well. He's just plain bad.

 

Looks up Neil Ramirez's careers stats...

 

10.76 K/9, 4.40 BB/9

 

That's basically Tepera this year...this really isn't worth discussing. I'm with Twisted on this - don't treat them like livestock.

[King]

Looks up Neil Ramirez's careers stats...

 

10.76 K/9, 4.40 BB/9

 

That's basically Tepera this year...this really isn't worth discussing. I'm with Twisted on this - don't treat them like livestock.

I know Ramirez career stats. He was a former top prospect with good stuff that excelled as a reliever in 2014 - thats the reason he keeps getting claimed by every team. Also, his strikeout numbers are elite this year.

 

His career was derailed by shoulder issues in 2015 and 2016.

[Brownie19]

I know Ramirez career stats. He was a former top prospect with good stuff that excelled as a reliever in 2014 - thats the reason he keeps getting claimed by every team. Also, his strikeout numbers are elite this year.

 

He's thrown 10 innings this year man. I get everything you said and given the season we're having, it would have been nice to find a way to give him a shot for the very slim outside chance he's actually not a JAG like Tepera. Reality is his velocity is down a couple of ticks from 2014 and he's probably s***. Despite the pedigree, he's never really shown anything to suggest he's more than a Ryan Tepera. You can s*** on Tepera's numbers - but there's basically the same as Ramirez's.

[Spanky99]

He's thrown 10 innings this year man. I get everything you said and given the season we're having, it would have been nice to find a way to give him a shot for the very slim outside chance he's actually not a JAG like Tepera. Reality is his velocity is down a couple of ticks from 2014 and he's probably s***. Despite the pedigree, he's never really shown anything to suggest he's more than a Ryan Tepera. You can s*** on Tepera's numbers - but there's basically the same as Ramirez's.

 

Thing is, Tepera has an option? DFA'ing Ramirez makes no sense.

[KingKat]

Thing is, Tepera has an option? DFA'ing Ramirez makes no sense.

 

Sure it does. A lot of waiver claims are just the team trying to sneak some depth into their system. This is how the team acquired Maille.

[Spanky99]

Sure it does. A lot of waiver claims are just the team trying to sneak some depth into their system. This is how the team acquired Maille.

 

Over Tepera, c'mon. It was stupid, imo.

[KingKat]

Over Tepera, c'mon. It was stupid, imo.

 

No I really don't think it was. You can't just give Ramirez a spot just because he doesn't have options. There's a more risk in doing that than in seeing if Ramirez can clear. He's a nice flyer to take and I hope he clears but I didn't make sense to just hand him a spot unless Tepera was really s***ing the bed. I don't love Tepera but somehow he seems to have managed to make himself serviceable. FIP under four last year and so far this year again. That's not great but it's not "demote so we can take a flyer on some guy who was legit terrible last year" level bad either. The way more sensible move here is to try to sneak Ramirez.

[Jonn]

Over Tepera, c'mon. It was stupid, imo.

 

If he clears it's irrelevant. Not worth getting upset about. Tepera has had some good outings lately. Ramirez would not have pitched much. We can only afford to have so many pitchers trying to figure things out on our active roster. Grilli and Howell have been a disaster. Leone and Loup have been a dumpster fire of late. We need some kind of consistency and Tepera has done a good job of giving up mutiple scoreless innings.