General 2017 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[HERPDERP]

If Stroman doesn't get examined I hope his arm explodes during his next start.

 

Stupidity should not be rewarded.

 

Stroman is incredibly stubborn. Wouldn't surprise me if his arm falls off next start.

[wk680]

Figures last season the Jays had Chavez, Hutch, and Floyd as their depth starters and never needed them. This year their depth starters are Latos, Lawrence, and Bolsinger (I guess), and they'll probably need them a bunch with Happ/Sanchez already out, and Stroman doing his best Thor impression.

 

T.J. House seems like a good option to try. In 27 MLB games (22 starts) he has 117.2 ip with a 4.44 ERA and 3.44 xFIP. So far at AAA this season, he has a 1.64 ERA over 22.0 ip in 4 starts.

[KingKat]

T.J. House seems like a good option to try. In 27 MLB games (22 starts) he has 117.2 ip with a 4.44 ERA and 3.44 xFIP. So far at AAA this season, he has a 1.64 ERA over 22.0 ip in 4 starts.

 

I'll take an established junkballer over a "trying so hard to re-invent himself as one but failing miserably" junkballer like Latos any day.

[BigCecil]

The Score app says Stroman isn't worried at all and is confident he'll make his next start for whatever that is worth.

 

This would be great news. Even if he isn't hurt (which would be great) he just looked like he had nothing working yesterday. It happens. Lets hope just an aberration.

[wk680]

I'll take an established junkballer over a "trying so hard to re-invent himself as one but failing miserably" junkballer like Latos any day.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens with Latos after 1 good outing and 2 garbage ones. I guess it depends where they stand with Sanchez and Stroman. Then again, he seems like an obvious choice to be moved off the active roster (DFA'd) to make room for the recent waiver claim, Ramirez.

[Spanky99]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Latos after 1 good outing and 2 garbage ones. I guess it depends where they stand with Sanchez and Stroman. Then again, he seems like an obvious choice to be moved off the active roster (DFA'd) to make room for the recent waiver claim, Ramirez.

 

I was wondering what you wee talking about here... Jays picked up Neil Ramirez today, wow.

[glory]

Any chance they stretch out Biagini? Threw 41 pitches in his last outing. Can't see why they can't work off that and stretch him out over a few starts.

[Jonn]

It will be interesting to see what happens with Latos after 1 good outing and 2 garbage ones. I guess it depends where they stand with Sanchez and Stroman. Then again, he seems like an obvious choice to be moved off the active roster (DFA'd) to make room for the recent waiver claim, Ramirez.

 

Unfortunately it looks like they are going to give Latos atleast one more start.

[KingKat]

Unfortunately it looks like they are going to give Latos atleast one more start.

 

[glory]

Unfortunately it looks like they are going to give Latos atleast one more start.

 

The Jays want to tank like an NBA team. More Latos helps with that.

[wk680]

Any chance they stretch out Biagini? Threw 41 pitches in his last outing. Can't see why they can't work off that and stretch him out over a few starts.

 

Bullpen is already shaky with him, so it fills one hole while creating another. But if Biagini can be an effective starter, then converting him now obviously improves the team's outlook for 2018 and beyond.

[Terminator]

[FrozenRopes]

 

 

 

 

One thing about this management group, when something is working they flush the toilet quickly. Salty and now Latos. Even Upton.

[jaysfan2014]

 

TJ House? Brett Oberholtzer? Bolsinger? Or even prospect Luis Santos?

[Terminator]

Our bullpen is going to look like s*** if we take Biagini out of it but I'm also curious to see if he can succeed as a starter. We've only got 3 of the 5 filled out for next year.

[Pendleton]

Our bullpen is going to look like s*** if we take Biagini out of it but I'm also curious to see if he can succeed as a starter. We've only got 3 of the 5 filled out for next year.

 

But it's also easier to find bullpen help than good starters. I'm nervous about taking a chance with Joe but I also do think it's a worthwhile risk.

[TholesWeirdEye]

Our bullpen is going to look like s*** if we take Biagini out of it but I'm also curious to see if he can succeed as a starter. We've only got 3 of the 5 filled out for next year.

 

Biagini's basically the only guy holding the BP together right now.

[Terminator]

But it's also easier to find bullpen help than good starters. I'm nervous about taking a chance with Joe but I also do think it's a worthwhile risk.

 

Yeah I agree. I think it's worth trying.

[Orgfiller]

Our bullpen is going to look like s*** if we take Biagini out of it but I'm also curious to see if he can succeed as a starter. We've only got 3 of the 5 filled out for next year.

 

You're absolutely right. At the same time the rotation is in shambles and the season isn't doing so hot either so you basically have to see what Joe's all about as a starter. As for the bullpen, you hope that a guy like Neil Ramirez pans out and then a couple of fireballers fall into your lap over the course of the season and magically regain the ability to throw quality strikes and focus on keeping the rotation above floating.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Orgfiller

[Terminator]

You're absolutely right. At the same time the rotation is in shambles and the season isn't doing so hot either so you basically have to see what Joe's all about as a starter. As for the bullpen, you hope that a guy like Neil Ramirez pans out and then a couple of fireballers fall into your lap over the course of the season and magically regain the ability the throw quality strikes and focus on keeping the rotation above floating.

 

Yeah I like this move. I'm curious to see if Biagini can get through a lineup two and three times. If he can be a league average starter he'd provide a ton of surplus value on his current contract. It'd help us fill other holes so we can be competitive next year as well.

[Orgfiller]

Yeah I like this move. I'm curious to see if Biagini can get through a lineup two and three times. If he can be a league average starter he'd provide a ton of surplus value on his current contract. It'd help us fill other holes so we can be competitive next year as well.

 

Gruber mocking aside, Biagini legitimately has a pretty nice arsenal, fit for that of an at worst 4/5th starter type. Like you said, it'll be interesting to see what happens when he's facing the hitters for a second and third time, how the fastball plays when it's some ticks slower, and if that big overhand curve has the same sharpness and soft-contact inducing abilities when hitters start to sit on some of his pitches.

[Terminator]

How does Sparkman being on the 60 day DL effect his Rule 5 status? Can we just keep him on the DL the whole season and then retain him as a result?

[Grant77]

How does Sparkman being on the 60 day DL effect his Rule 5 status? Can we just keep him on the DL the whole season and then retain him as a result?

 

I think that any lost days just carry over to next year.

[Terminator]

I think that any lost days just carry over to next year.

 

So for every day he's on the DL that's a day that he has to remain on the roster next season otherwise he goes back?

[King]

How does Sparkman being on the 60 day DL effect his Rule 5 status? Can we just keep him on the DL the whole season and then retain him as a result?

 

What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft?

A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player.

[KevinGregg]

So for every day he's on the DL that's a day that he has to remain on the roster next season otherwise he goes back?

 

Pretty much, yes. There are actually 2 conditions that must be met to retain a player from the rule 5 draft

 

1) keep the player on the 25 man roster the entire season following the draft. Players on the 10 and 60 day DL are still on the 25 man roster.

 

2) the player must be active for a minimum of 90 days (i.e. not on the disabled or any other inactive list). These 90 days can occur over as many seasons as necessary, as long as rule 1 is followed.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/ask-ba-deciphering-disabled-lists-rule-5-draft/#XxsOwEjEdhoBsGFD.97

[Terminator]

What happens when a player is selected in the Rule 5 Draft?

A team that selects a player in the Rule 5 Draft pays $50,000 to the team from which he was selected. The receiving team must then keep the player on the Major League 25-man roster for the entirety of the next season, and the selected player must remain active (not on the disabled list) for a minimum of 90 days. If the player does not remain on the Major League roster, he is offered back to the team from which he was selected for $25,000. If his original team declines, the receiving team may waive the player.

 

Thanks. So he needs to be active for 90 days which means from the beginning of July on. If it's any problem it'd only be for 2 months until September anyway. He's probably got a good shot of sticking.

[King]

30 day rehab assignment starting in June

[Spanky99]

Fri, May 5

 

Blue Jays manager John Gibbons said Thursday that he's hoping to have Josh Donaldson (calf) and Troy Tulowitzki (hamstring) back from the disabled list on Monday.

 

Advice: The Jays will be hosting the Indians on Monday in an ALCS rematch. Both Donaldson and Tulowitzki are at Toronto's spring training complex in Florida continuing to increase their level of baseball activities and it appears they will avoid rehab assignments.

 

More: Toronto Sun

 

(Rotoworld.com)

 

 

New Player Note Fri, May 5

 

Aaron Sanchez (finger) could rejoin the Blue Jays' rotation as soon as next weekend.

 

Advice: Sanchez won't pitch in a rehab game this weekend as initially hoped, but he'll throw a bullpen session Sunday and then make a rehab start with the GCL Blue Jays on Tuesday if all goes well. Assuming he doesn't have a setback, that could be the only rehab outing he needs.

 

More: Ben Nicholson-Smith on Twitter

 

(Rotoworld.com)

[BigCecil]

Saw this am in MLB rankings that Devon Travis has the worst wRC+ in MLB. Our 2B curse is taking effect. Hope he pulls out of this tailspin. With his mitt he has to hit.