Around Baseball 2017

[glory]

Maybe he has learned something from his two years in LA about actually developing his young players rather than trading them for someone else's mistakes, but who really knows. I'd love it if they traded for Stanton. Would fit AA's MO.

 

Not gonna lie though, if AA turns into a GM that actually values player development and keeps his prospects, that will hurt. He could have done that in Toronto but went derp instead.

[BTS]

lol at MLBTR comments

 

As a Jays fan I’m really happy for Alex. Excellent executive with the balls to do stuff. Can’t believe Jays are stuck with Shapiro. What a coincidence Indians started doing good once he left

[Jimcanuck]

Maybe he has learned something from his two years in LA about actually developing his young players rather than trading them for someone else's mistakes, but who really knows. I'd love it if they traded for Stanton. Would fit AA's MO.

 

Not gonna lie though, if AA turns into a GM that actually values player development and keeps his prospects, that will hurt. He could have done that in Toronto but went derp instead.

 

if he does that, the blame shifts to Beest?

[Brownie19]

Can he find someone to take no Matt Kemp and the rest of his contract? Let's see if he's still got it...hahaha

[BTS]

Can he find someone to take no Matt Kemp and the rest of his contract? Let's see if he's still got it...hahaha

 

Kemp for Tulo. Get it done Shatkins.

[Boxcar]

lol at MLBTR comments

 

We have the dumbest casual fanbase and it isn't close.

 

I am embarrassed, we are so lucky to have Shatkins and these idiots s*** all over them.

[glory]

lol at MLBTR comments

 

The fan base isn't quite as insufferable as it was two years ago when Shapiro first took over, but still pretty bad. That's the price that comes with having a big fan base.

[Brownie19]

We have the dumbest casual fanbase and it isn't close.

 

I am embarrassed, we are so lucky to have Shatkins and these idiots s*** all over them.

 

This is what happens when you read Steve Simmon's columns...

[z3r0s]

I'll take the idiots and their money. As long as ownership isn't pandering for their approval, which I don't see our management doing, they're more valuable than harmful.

[Bobthe4th]

[Boxcar]

 

Greg Holland is an idiot. So is Wade Davis.

[z3r0s]

Greg Holland is an idiot. So is Wade Davis.

 

Yeah I have to think accepting QC for a reliever would be a gamble worth taking. You get paid way more than you will otherwise for 1 season, then you don't have the QC hampering your value when you are a FA next season.

 

Risk is of course that you have a terrible season or are injured, so your value next season is diminished, but it still seems like a gamble worth taking to me.

[BTS]

I bet someone gives Wade Davis over $40M.

[Bobthe4th]

Yeah I have to think accepting QC for a reliever would be a gamble worth taking. You get paid way more than you will otherwise for 1 season, then you don't have the QC hampering your value when you are a FA next season.

 

Risk is of course that you have a terrible season or are injured, so your value next season is diminished, but it still seems like a gamble worth taking to me.

 

Especially as in the new rules you can only be offered a QO once in your career. Are they ever going to get such a high AAV again?

[Bobthe4th]

I bet someone gives Wade Davis over $40M.

 

Mark Melancon's Giants deal at 4 Years, $62million is what he'll be aiming for.

 

If he gets it, then he's made the right decision to turn down a QO. Quite a big if though!

[Brownie19]

Yeah I have to think accepting QC for a reliever would be a gamble worth taking. You get paid way more than you will otherwise for 1 season, then you don't have the QC hampering your value when you are a FA next season.

 

Risk is of course that you have a terrible season or are injured, so your value next season is diminished, but it still seems like a gamble worth taking to me.

 

Davis and Holland were both rather pedestrian last year and both were awful in the 2nd half. It's possibility they realize how fickle RP'ing is, accept their bodies may be failing them and know this is their last chance to cash in. If they continue the slide this year, they could be looking at 3 or 4 more years in the bigs, working off shorter contracts with lower AAV's.

 

It might look like this....17M + 4($6M) = $41M

 

Dave Cameron is predicting Davis gets 4 years, $68M and that Holland gets 3 years, $45M. Pencil in a final year for Davis at $5M and an extra 2 for Holland at $10M for comparison purposes.

 

If I'm in that position, I'm looking for guaranteed money all day long. I'd rather take the pay day and potentially leave $10-20M in career earnings on the table than take the risk that I'll remain healthy and effective....especially when dominant, deep bullpens are all the rage right now.

[Terminator]

Greg Holland is an idiot. So is Wade Davis.

 

They won't get 17 mil AAV but they can probably get somewhat close to that on 3 year deals. Maybe four if they are lucky.

[Terminator]

Carlos Beltran is retiring. It was time. Getting that ring was a nice cap to what should be a HoF career.

[Bobthe4th]

Carlos Beltran is retiring. It was time. Getting that ring was a nice cap to what should be a HoF career.

 

MLB.com is already linking him with the Yankees manager role.

[Boxcar]

They won't get 17 mil AAV but they can probably get somewhat close to that on 3 year deals. Maybe four if they are lucky.

 

If Holland gets 3/45, I will roundly mock the team that signed him.

 

Pretty much every team has a few older guys on the farm who could come in and do as well as or better than Holland for league min.

 

Idk who would actually be dumb enough to sign Holland at that pricetag, though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Interested to see if the Jays hire any new coaches. Teams are poaching pitching coordinators from other smart orgs. like Cubs and Astros and apparently giving them good $.

 

That's probably the next big market inefficiency. Coaching makes a huge difference especially in the minors.

[Brownie19]

Interested to see if the Jays hire any new coaches. Teams are poaching pitching coordinators from other smart orgs. like Cubs and Astros and apparently giving them good $.

 

That's probably the next big market inefficiency. Coaching makes a huge difference especially in the minors.

 

Its kind of alarming that teams are just realizing this now....

[Cleveland Steamer]

Sources: #Mariners interested in free agent 1B Carlos Santana, although there have not yet been substantial talks between the parties. @MLB @MLBNetwork

[Jimcanuck]

Mark Melancon's Giants deal at 4 Years, $62million is what he'll be aiming for.

 

If he gets it, then he's made the right decision to turn down a QO. Quite a big if though!

 

Maybe banking on the increasing value attached to relievers, in part from starters going shorter innings.

[Angrioter]

I bet someone gives Wade Davis over $40M.

 

Sabermetrics Astros

[Cleveland Steamer]

I bet someone gives Wade Davis over $40M.

 

That’d be a bad decision.

[P2F]

Here's an offseason guide for all of my baseball-starved e-friends out there:

 

As you fade into the black of the depressing offseason without baseball, make sure you don’t go too far.

There is plenty of hot stove discussions and events to track during the mean cold of winter, some of which have started already. As of 9 a.m. ET last Thursday, eligible players are now free agents, so time to start tracking the moves of Yu Darvish, J.D. Martinez, Eric Hosmer and many others. See? There’s plenty of baseball action coming up!

That’s only the start of it. Here’s everything to keep up with until the 2018 season finally opens (I feel like I’ve been waiting a month already).

Nov. 9: Silver Slugger winners announced

No finalists needed here. The winners will be revealed at 6 p.m. ET on MLB Network.

Nov. 13: M Meetings/ ROY announced

General managers will also be heading to the warmth of Orlando to kick off the GM Meetings which will go on for four days. Don’t expect to hear too many juicy rumors in these meetings, as it’s mainly to settle off-the-field matters. Still, things can happen.

Finally, the Rookies of the Year will be announced on MLB Network at 6 p.m. ET, where they will try to add as much drama as possible to make you forget that Judge and Bellinger have basically already won the award.

Nov. 14: Managers of the Year announced

Back again on MLB Network at 6 p.m. ET, the Managers of the Year will be revealed in what should be a much more interesting conversation than that of the Rookie of the Year.

Nov. 15: Cy Young Award winners announced

Different day, but same time and channel. Who does the BBWAA vote the most valuable hurlers in the league?

Nov. 16: Qualifying Offer Decisions Due/MVP Awards announced

Having received their qualifying offers a week before, it’s time for potential free agents to make the big decision: “Should I stay or should I go?”

Thanks to the new CBA, teams that sign a qualified free agent no longer sacrifice their highest unprotected pick, so maybe we’ll see more action for players that turned down an offer to return to their former teams.

Again on the same channel and at the same time, we will finally learn who the MVPs are. This is probably a good opportunity to once again stress that THESE ARE REGULAR SEASON AWARDS.

Nov. 17: Esurance MLB Awards announced

This isn’t a well known event, but it is a fun one. Also on MLB Network, winners for more unique awards like Best Personality of the Year and Best Offensive Play of the Year will be revealed. Best Offensive Play includes candidates like Byron Buxton’s inside-the-park home run and Chris Coghlan’s Superman soar over Yadier Molina to plate an entertaining run. It should be a good time.

Nov. 20: Deadline to add Rule 5 Draft eligibles to 40-man rosters

Protect those players! Yankees’ top prospect Gleyber Torres will be an obvious addition to their roster.

A few trades always happen around this deadline as clubs look to make room on their 40-man rosters.

Dec. 1: Non-tender deadline

Pre-arbitration and arbitration eligible players become free agents if they do not receive a contract offer. A new wave of free agents will be available, but if they didn’t receive an offer from their team, they likely won’t be worth a ton on the free agent market.

Dec. 10-14: Winter Meetings

Cue the madness! The whole “winter” part likely won’t be embraced in the warmth of Orlando, but the warm climate will sufficiently compliment the hot stove rumors that will be swirling around for five days (does Giancarlo Stanton get traded?). The biggest splashes of the offseason will likely happen here, and you will be able to get the scoop by following MLB Daily Dish on Twitter.

The Winter Meetings will also be concluded by the Rule 5 Draft, which takes place on the final day of the meetings. Again, it’s rare to strike gold in this draft, but players like Dan Uggla, R.A. Dickey and Odubel Herrera have been scooped up in the past.

Mid-January: Hall of Fame Class of 2018 announced

Chipper Jones and Jim Thome are notables that will be making their debut on the ballot, and it would also be very disappointing if Vladimir Guerrero doesn’t get the call this year.

February: Arbitration hearings, Spring Training

The good news: baseball is back! Pitchers and catchers report to their camps in mid-February, followed by position players.

The bad news: Your team can be put into an awkward position during arbitration hearings as players look to earn their worth. It can become especially awkward if your team president rips a player publicly while mistaking said player’s name (see Randy Levine).

March 29: Opening Day

We made it! We get early baseball in 2018 as the new CBA granted extra days off during the season, so Opening Day was moved back to a Thursday, when every team opens up their season with a clean slate. I can’t wait. Luckily, there’s plenty of action to be appreciated in the meantime.

 

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/11/13/16597880/2017-18-mlb-offseason-calendar-free-agency

[TheHurl]

Stanton says he will veto any trade to Boston or the cards

[Abomination]

Stanton says he will veto any trade to Boston or the cards

 

Interesting, I wonder why?

[BTS]

Interesting, I wonder why?

 

There have been a lot of rumours about a s***** restrictive/conservative clubhouse culture in St. Louis. Maybe he thinks it's a bad fit? I have no idea what the issue with Boston would be. Dude would put up silly numbers there.