Report: Blue Jays have looked into Moss

[burlingtonbandit]

My first reaction is no thanks, but I guess we could trade Morales at the end of the season.

 

Though he'd probably insist on an opt out if he signed such a low $ three year deal.

 

Yeah that deal didn't seem to make much sense. He'd be better off taking 1/15 and going back on the market next year.

[fatcowxlive]

Oh wow... I am actually pretty surprised to see he is a career positive in RF and LF UZR. You could pick up Moss and Carter for probably 60% of EE's total AAV.

 

2B Travis

3B Donaldson

DH Morales

LF Pearce

SS Tulo

RF Moss

1B Carter

C Martin

CF Pillar

 

That would be a very competitive lineup with a lot of power.

 

How about that same lineup but Morales at 1st and Bautista DHing... I think he's going to come back

[Governator]

Heyman also said an agent thinks Tampa would go to $30 Million/3 Years for Jose. If he's willing to sign for that Jays should sign him in a heartbeat.

 

If we could get Jose for 3/30 I'd take that in a second over Moss.

[Dr. Dinger]

If we could get Jose for 3/30 I'd take that in a second over Moss.

 

That estimate is utterly off base. You couldn't get Jose for 2/30, let alone 3/30.

[Abomination]

That estimate is utterly off base. You couldn't get Jose for 2/30, let alone 3/30.

 

Yeah, I suspect it'll take 3/50 or 1/20 at minimum. I'd be fine with either of those though, as long as the weirdness in his swing at the end of last season isn't an issue going forward.

[G-Snarls]

2 year 36m. Who says no? Jays or Bautista

 

Neither

 

Sounds reasonable for both sides

[Jonn]

Would love Moss in Toronto. 2 year deal at $20 Million, lets get it done.

 

Not sure why any team would give him a multi year deal considering how abysmal he was in the second half.

 

No idea why you guys like Moss. He strikes out a ton and doesn't get on base.

[Gary]

If we could get Jose for 3/30 I'd take that in a second over Moss.

 

Is that $10m per or $30m per?

[xposbrad]

Neither

 

Sounds reasonable for both sides

 

The Jays were ready to sign him for 1yr/17.2 so I don't know what's the hold up for adding another year unless he's holding out for 3 years . But I would work with an option with JB. Something like 2/35 + 17.5 option + 2.5m buyout.

[burlingtonbandit]

Not sure why any team would give him a multi year deal considering how abysmal he was in the second half.

 

No idea why you guys like Moss. He strikes out a ton and doesn't get on base.

 

Had a wRC+ of 123 in August, really it was just one terrible month in September. A .107 BABIP is crazy bad luck so I wouldn't look much into it.

 

He's great vs RHP and he would only be a platoon bat with Upton anyway. Plus like Morales he's always been in s*** home parks like Oakland and St Louis, perhaps there is some potential given he's an extreme flyball hitter.

[RealAccountant]

Does that include Pearce?

 

No it's from December 21st

 

At the letters Google play

[xposbrad]

Not sure why any team would give him a multi year deal considering how abysmal he was in the second half.

 

No idea why you guys like Moss. He strikes out a ton and doesn't get on base.

 

Morales got a multi year deal so why can't JB who most likely will be a better hitter next year.

[wamco]

2 years makes it worth giving up the 1st round pick imo

[Terminator]

I can dig this. An alternative, just because I was babbling about him in another thread, could be Moss + Valbuena:

 

vs RHP

Devon Travis – 2B

Josh Donaldson – 3B

Kendrys Morales – DH

Troy Tulowitzki – SS

Brandon Moss – RF

Steve Pearce – LF

Luis Valbuena – 1B

Russell Martin – C

Kevin Pillar – CF

 

vs LHP

Devon Travis – 2B

Josh Donaldson – 3B

Steve Pearce – 1B

Troy Tulowitzki – SS

Kendrys Morales – DH

Melvin Upton Jr. – LF

Russell Martin – C

Brandon Moss – RF

Kevin Pillar – CF

 

Shuffle up the lineup as you see fit, but that's probably what Gibby would throw together. Valbuena adds another LHH and can cover JD at 3B from time to time. Probably an easy 200+ HRs and decent fielding paired up with a solid rotation.

 

That lineup suxxx.

[Terminator]

Moss is fine as a small addition who platoons. He's projected for about a WAR in a full season.

[Daniel Labude]

Morales got a multi year deal so why can't JB who most likely will be a better hitter next year.

 

Morales is a better hitter overall imo

[RealAccountant]

Morales is a better hitter overall imo

 

Lol

[RealAccountant]

Morrissey on the Fan heavily criticized Jays front office for signing Morales when they did and giving him 3 years. Says he doesn't understand the urgency and thinks Morales probably still out there

 

Also said similar and better hitters to Morales are available for less. Says it's misestimations on the Jays front office part, and they need to do a better job of communicating with free agents and the Market

[Grant77]

Morrissey on the Fan heavily criticized Jays front office for signing Morales when they did and giving him 3 years. Says he doesn't understand the urgency and thinks Morales probably still out there

 

Also said similar and better hitters to Morales are available for less. Says it's misestimations on the Jays front office part, and they need to do a better job of communicating with free agents and the Market

 

There's no question that he's right. We've already seen it play out.

[TheHurl]

Report: Blue Jays have looked into Moss

 

Looked into Moss...which is growing in Rogers wallet.

 

FanRag Sports' Jon Heyman.

 

What the f*** is FanRag Sports, and I can't think of a better place for Heyman

[FrozenRopes]

There's no question that he's right. We've already seen it play out.

 

So we wait and miss out and fans go crazy or we sign early and the fans go crazy. Can't make everyone happy. I like the way this team is shaping up. I think we need to be more aggressive in the bullpen and Melancon would have been nice but they are building a better 'team'.

 

This is Josh and Tulos team now. This year will be fun.

[glory]

As mentioned Moss had one terrible month (Sept) with a really low BABIP. Unless it was related to some kind of injury that I'm not aware of, I'll chalk it up to some bad luck. If platooned, he would be a fine option, though I don't want him and Smoak in the same lineup. I mean I don't want Smoak in any lineup, but you get my point. If they could add another OF that doesn't need to be platooned in addition to Moss, and then play Pearce everyday at first, I'd be fine with that.

[BTS]

I understand the issues people are having with the Morales signing, but it's hard to complain much when the strategy of making aggressive bets on guys they want early in free agency has actually worked pretty well. They struck early last offseason and landed Happ @ 3/36 and Estrada @ 2/26, then did the same thing this year and probably ended up over-committing by a year to Morales.

[jays_fever]

Moss is solid..it really doesn't matter if he's streaky or strikes out a lot. He'll help us make a wildcard

[Grant77]

I understand the issues people are having with the Morales signing, but it's hard to complain much when the strategy of making aggressive bets on guys they want early in free agency has actually worked pretty well. They struck early last offseason and landed Happ @ 3/36 and Estrada @ 2/26, then did the same thing this year and probably ended up over-committing by a year to Morales.

 

It's easy to complain because with patience, we would have had the player we wanted and needed for LESS that what we originally offered.

 

If the reports that we offered EE 4/80 (or anything close) are accurate then we can conclusively say that they misread the market and made a mistake.

 

That isn't to say that Morales is a bad signing in a bubble, but it's a virtual certainty that they would have done things differently with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Also, I'm hesitant to say that this 'early strike' philosophy is any sort of trend. The Estrada contract was all LaCava, so we're left with 2 data points. I think that our situation almost forced them into the Happ signing.

[Dick_Pole]

I understand the issues people are having with the Morales signing, but it's hard to complain much when the strategy of making aggressive bets on guys they want early in free agency has actually worked pretty well. They struck early last offseason and landed Happ @ 3/36 and Estrada @ 2/26, then did the same thing this year and probably ended up over-committing by a year to Morales.

 

It's reasonable, pragmatic and rational posts like this which makes you have a constant target on your back by the "outsider" crowd of this forum. I hope you know this and will try to cut down on doing such things in the future.

[Dick_Pole]

It's easy to complain because with patience, we would have had the player we wanted and needed for LESS that what we originally offered.

 

If the reports that we offered EE 4/80 (or anything close) are accurate then we can conclusively say that they misread the market and made a mistake.

 

That isn't to say that Morales is a bad signing in a bubble, but it's a virtual certainty that they would have done things differently with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Also, I'm hesitant to say that this 'early strike' philosophy is any sort of trend. The Estrada contract was all LaCava, so we're left with 2 data points. I think that our situation almost forced them into the Happ signing.

 

Ugh. Plenty of people on this forum and everywhere else were still hopeful that the Jays were going to sign EE even after Morales was signed. This "they signed Morales so that guaranteed EE was out the door" narrative hasn't really shown up until after the Cleveland deal was announced. EE 1B, Morales DH, Pearce LF, Upton/Carrera 4th/5th OF, Smoak benchwarmer was my hopeful roster configuration.

[intentional wok]

Ugh. Plenty of people on this forum and everywhere else were still hopeful that the Jays were going to sign EE even after Morales was signed. This "they signed Morales so that guaranteed EE was out the door" narrative hasn't really shown up until after the Cleveland deal was announced. EE 1B, Morales DH, Pearce LF, Upton/Carrera 4th/5th OF, Smoak benchwarmer was my hopeful roster configuration.

 

I wasn't necessarily hopeful that EE would sign after the Morales deal, and I wasn't particularly sore about it...

 

...until EE only got guaranteed 3/65 from Cleveland. I'd love to have seen him grabbed for the reported original 4/80. At that price just sort out the roster logjam after. Rather have a logjam starring an EE that the FO clearly thought was worth the money and time vs. the potential lineup we could see on opening day. Yes, ST is not until mid-Feb, but more good things need to fall into place now than they would have with an EE return staring them right in the face.

[Grant77]

Ugh. Plenty of people on this forum and everywhere else were still hopeful that the Jays were going to sign EE even after Morales was signed. This "they signed Morales so that guaranteed EE was out the door" narrative hasn't really shown up until after the Cleveland deal was announced. EE 1B, Morales DH, Pearce LF, Upton/Carrera 4th/5th OF, Smoak benchwarmer was my hopeful roster configuration.

 

You're way out of touch on that issue. It was pretty clear after we signed Morales that EE wasn't coming back and it was a virtual certainty after we got Pearce. I and many others said as much multiple times. Guys like Shi Davidi also mentioned in almost all of their articles regarding EE. If the team wanted EE on the roster, they certainly would have just signed him for 3/60, but the rumour is that we had a 1 year offer on the table.

 

I like what Shapiro has done overall, but this as clear of a mistake as you will ever see from a front office. They f***ed up in a big way. It's OK to admit that while still liking the FO and having faith in them.

[RealAccountant]

What has Shapiro done overall?