The Jose Bautista Thread

[BTS]

I agree with your general point but there have been hundreds of Greinke stories that have come out over the years regarding his personality. I don't think Greinke is much of a question

 

Here's a good article, from 2010, but it's still relevant today

http://joeposnanski.com/being-there-with-greinke/ (and one more by the same writer http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/zack-greinke-scoreless-streak/)

 

You don't think what's much of a question? He's a guy who battled with anxiety issues and who has a unique personality. Nobody is debating that. I don't think he's crazy, or that his personality really matters at all when it comes to his ability to perform or be part of a team. I remember countless debates about Greinke on the old forum when he was a free agent the first time, that probably sounded a lot like the conversations on other teams' forums. So many posts along the lines of 'nah, I wouldn't want that headcase pitching games in Yankee Stadium and Fenway'. You see posts like that all the time about so many players based on a story or two.

[Spanky99]

I agree with your general point but there have been hundreds of Greinke stories that have come out over the years regarding his personality. I don't think Greinke is much of a question

 

Here's a good article, from 2010, but it's still relevant today

http://joeposnanski.com/being-there-with-greinke/ (and one more by the same writer http://sportsworld.nbcsports.com/zack-greinke-scoreless-streak/)

 

Thanks for sharing King, I hadn't read the second link before.

[Spanky99]

You don't think what's much of a question? He's a guy who battled with anxiety issues and who has a unique personality. Nobody is debating that. I don't think he's crazy, or that his personality really matters at all when it comes to his ability to perform or be part of a team. I remember countless debates about Greinke on the old forum when he was a free agent the first time, that probably sounded a lot like the conversations on other teams' forums. So many posts along the lines of 'nah, I wouldn't want that headcase pitching games in Yankee Stadium and Fenway'. You see posts like that all the time about so many players based on a story or two.

 

Exactly, great post. Most of everything "quirkiness" in these articles written are from mental health disorders, everyone deals with them differently.

[King]

You don't think what's much of a question? He's a guy who battled with anxiety issues and who has a unique personality. Nobody is debating that. I don't think he's crazy, or that his personality really matters at all when it comes to his ability to perform or be part of a team. I remember countless debates about Greinke on the old forum when he was a free agent the first time, that probably sounded a lot like the conversations on other teams' forums. So many posts along the lines of 'nah, I wouldn't want that headcase pitching games in Yankee Stadium and Fenway'. You see posts like that all the time about so many players based on a story or two.

 

I don't think his personality was in question which no one is debating.

[Jimcanuck]

Back to that other douchebag, Bautista

 

If Toronto can sign him to a one year deal for $18M with a 10/5 rights waiver, do it.

 

Scenario 1 - Jays are contenders, he stays with the club for the season

 

Scenario 2 - Jays are not contenders, Bautista rebounds, traded at the break for a high end prospect

 

Scenario 3 - Jays are not contenders, Bautista has a replacement level season, traded at break for a lower tier prospect

 

Works out for all parties?

[Spanky99]

Back to that other douchebag, Bautista

 

If Toronto can sign him to a one year deal for $18M with a 10/5 rights waiver, do it.

 

Scenario 1 - Jays are contenders, he stays with the club for the season

 

Scenario 2 - Jays are not contenders, Bautista rebounds, traded at the break for a high end prospect

 

Scenario 3 - Jays are not contenders, Bautista has a replacement level season, traded at break for a lower tier prospect

 

Works out for all parties?

 

I doubt he'd do that.

[Ray]

I'm getting the feeling Bautista might tell us to f*** off even if we do come at him with $18 million/1yr

[KingKat]

Wilner made it pretty clear that he didn't think the q.o. was still on the table and I think he's close enough to the team that we can take him at his word on this one regardless of what we may think of him generally. I would think a company guy like him would be more prone to humour the notion rather than dismiss it.

[Spanky99]

Wilner made it pretty clear that he didn't think the q.o. was still on the table and I think he's close enough to the team that we can take him at his word on this one regardless of what we may think of him generally. I would think a company guy like him would be more prone to humour the notion rather than dismiss it.

 

This went right over my head... the deadline passed, of course it isn't on the table?

[RealAccountant]

Bautista will simply wait till June. Without the draft pick teams will easily sign him to a good deal

 

Not only will we lose out on adding 2-3 WAR on the corner outfield there will be no draft pick.

[Brownie19]

Bautista will simply wait till June. Without the draft pick teams will easily sign him to a good deal

 

Not only will we lose out on adding 2-3 WAR on the corner outfield there will be no draft pick.

 

Back from the ban list - new day, same s***

[KingKat]

This went right over my head... the deadline passed, of course it isn't on the table?

 

If Bautista changed his mind and came back to the Jays, he wouldn't be able to get the q.o. amount anymore is what Wilner is saying. They would have lived with it if he accepted but they wanted him to decline and they are not going to offer him that amount again.

[Jimcanuck]

If Bautista changed his mind and came back to the Jays, he wouldn't be able to get the q.o. amount anymore is what Wilner is saying. They would have lived with it if he accepted but they wanted him to decline and they are not going to offer him that amount again.

 

If it doesn't look like they will get the draft pick, they probably will, or more.

[RealAccountant]

back from the ban list - new day, same s***

 

 

diafff

[Spanky99]

If Bautista changed his mind and came back to the Jays, he wouldn't be able to get the q.o. amount anymore is what Wilner is saying. They would have lived with it if he accepted but they wanted him to decline and they are not going to offer him that amount again.

 

Oh, I see. Jays have marked up the pick as value.

[Governator]

The Jays should offer Bautista the 1 year deal ($15-16MM) with two team option years of the same salary with a buy out.

 

This gives the Jays the added flexibility and safety of turning the contract in to a team-friendly 3 year deal (if he bounces back as predicted) and if not the worst case scenario is about a $15MM loss + buyout & missing 2nd rnd pick. Even if you evaluate a comp pick as $10MM, which I think is questionable, that gets spread out over 3 years on a $15MM/yr contract and becomes a much easier to swallow $18.33MM/yr AAV investment. Nothing like a $25-$27MM strict 1 year deal.

[Bobthe4th]

The Jays should offer Bautista the 1 year deal ($15-16MM) with two team option years of the same salary with a buy out.

 

This gives the Jays the added flexibility and safety of turning the contract in to a team-friendly 3 year deal (if he bounces back as predicted) and if not the worst case scenario is about a $15MM loss + buyout & missing 2nd rnd pick. Even if you evaluate a comp pick as $10MM, which I think is questionable, that gets spread out over 3 years on a $15MM/yr contract and becomes a much easier to swallow $18.33MM/yr AAV investment. Nothing like a $25-$27MM strict 1 year deal.

 

He wouldn't accept that though would he? Why wouldn't he wait until June when someone else can sign him without losing a pick.

 

Maybe if it was a player option he'd consider it.

[burlingtonbandit]

The Jays should offer Bautista the 1 year deal ($15-16MM) with two team option years of the same salary with a buy out.

 

This gives the Jays the added flexibility and safety of turning the contract in to a team-friendly 3 year deal (if he bounces back as predicted) and if not the worst case scenario is about a $15MM loss + buyout & missing 2nd rnd pick. Even if you evaluate a comp pick as $10MM, which I think is questionable, that gets spread out over 3 years on a $15MM/yr contract and becomes a much easier to swallow $18.33MM/yr AAV investment. Nothing like a $25-$27MM strict 1 year deal.

 

You are forgetting the player has to accept the deal and there's no way he accepts that. I think he would rather take 1 year at a lower AAV and bet on himself to have a great season.

[G-Snarls]

Perfect fit for LF with SFG but Sabean says they have no money left

[Governator]

He wouldn't accept that though would he? Why wouldn't he wait until June when someone else can sign him without losing a pick.

 

Maybe if it was a player option he'd consider it.

 

You are forgetting the player has to accept the deal and there's no way he accepts that. I think he would rather take 1 year at a lower AAV and bet on himself to have a great season.

 

 

 

lmao of course I know he has to accept it.. but without many other options I would hold ground as the Jays in a take it or leave it deal. It's really not a bad thing for Bautista either, all he has to do is swing his bat to still make bank and if not going to free agency after 1 year with no qualifying offer attached won't be a bad thing either.

 

Waiting until mid season to sign a guaranteed deal he could stand lose around $8MM off his next contract anyway and how many teams will question how game ready he'll be at that point? It's not an easy answer to say just wait to make a big contract there's still no guarantee that will be out there for him.

[BTS]

Has a player of Bautista's caliber ever had to wait until June? Off the top of my head, the only players to ever wait out the pick compensation are Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales. Somebody is going to sign him.

[burlingtonbandit]

People talk about the QO screwing him but I think the Luxury Tax screwed him worse. All the big market teams like the Red Sox, SFG and Yankees would be in on him but they to get lower than the Luxury Tax in the next few seasons.

[Governator]

Has a player of Bautista's caliber ever had to wait until June? Off the top of my head, the only players to ever wait out the pick compensation are Stephen Drew and Kendrys Morales. Somebody is going to sign him.

 

I don't think Drew was signed before the comp pick, he ended up re-signing with the Red Sox no?

 

and all Morales got by waiting was a half year contract, lost money and had a s*** poor season as a result of waiting.

[Bobthe4th]

lmao of course I know he has to accept it.. but without many other options I would hold ground as the Jays in a take it or leave it deal. It's really not a bad thing for Bautista either, all he has to do is swing his bat to still make bank and if not going to free agency after 1 year with no qualifying offer attached won't be a bad thing either.

 

Waiting until mid season to sign a guaranteed deal he could stand lose around $8MM off his next contract anyway and how many teams will question how game ready he'll be at that point? It's not an easy answer to say just wait to make a big contract there's still no guarantee that will be out there for him.

 

Of course there's no guarantees he'll get anything better - but Jose thought he was worth $150m a year ago, and no one was ever going to pay him that. No doubt he, and his agent, will think if he's patient he'll get a better offer than that (i.e. your suggestion, not $150m!). Maybe if he hasn't had anything he considers suitable by spring training, we can put in a similar offer then.

[baseballsss]

Back to the biggest douche players...Isn't Votto at near the top of the list?

[BTS]

I've never heard that about Votto. Thought after spending his career listening to Cincinnati fans, media, and teammates say he should stop being selfish and drive in more runs, he's entitled to a chip on his shoulder.

[burlingtonbandit]

Back to the biggest douche players...Isn't Votto at near the top of the list?

 

I've heard he isn't the nicest guy. But could have been because it was a couple hours before the game and he wants to focus on the game.

 

Heard Longoria is a huge Dbag.

[Jonn]

Perfect fit for LF with SFG but Sabean says they have no money left

 

They should call JG Wentworth 877 Cash Now!

[TheHurl]

Heard Longoria is a huge Dbag.

 

100% wrong on this one. A friend of a friend puked at Shoeless Joe's and they were (rightfully) going to kick him/us out. Longoria and Archer talked to the manager and said "they are with us" just because Nox and I were wearing Rays gear. We were allowed to stay as long as the one guy didn't drink. Longoria came over and thanked us for being fans.

[Jonn]

100% wrong on this one. A friend of a friend puked at Shoeless Joe's and they were (rightfully) going to kick him/us out. Longoria and Archer talked to the manager and said "they are with us" just because Nox and I were wearing Rays gear. We were allowed to stay as long as the one guy didn't drink. Longoria came over and thanked us for being fans.

 

Did he take you home afterwards?