The Jose Bautista Thread

[wamco]

I'd prefer 2 years over 1 if we're not going to get a pick for him.

 

Me too. 1 year wouldn't make much sense. Grandy or Bruce shouldn't cost much and wouldn't require a 1st round pick

[eastcoastjaysfan]

This is a freaking disgrace. Jose is a franchise icon and is begging to come back. Show some loyalty FFS Shatkins. He's still got a couple years left.

[Terminator]

I'd give him 3 years on a low AAV. 3 for 45 or something is what Beltran got a few years ago. I'd go two years if he wants a higher AAV. I'd put him in LF though and tell him to bring a 1B glove.

 

We need his bat badly.

[Terminator]

There has to be some upside included in the deal for us to sign him, I think.

 

Shatkins won't give up the comp pick for 1 year of Bautista when they could sign Moss or Valbuena and get 2/3rds of Jose's projected production or something like that.

 

I think if there was a way to put a team option in there it would make more sense for us. Like ok, we'll give you 3/45M and give up the comp pick but years 2 and 3 are team options because we want you for 3 years but only if you're good.

 

But Bautista will never go for that.

 

Maybe we could put a buyout on those team options. Or maybe put incentives in there based on plate appearances.

 

We need OF. He's projected for 3 WAR. He wants to come back. We should be able to work something out.

[Jimcanuck]

Jose will need to sign for like 2/28 for the projected surplus value to be anywhere close to the value of the pick.

[burlingtonbandit]

2/$30 wouldn't cripple us with the understanding that he will see very little time in the corner outfield, primarily 1st base, and some DH.

 

He probably doesn't want 2 years. If he puts up 3 WAR this year he easily gets 20 Million next year on a 1 year deal so why would he take a lower AAV?

[burlingtonbandit]

The thing I don't get is why the hell did they offer Edwin $80 Million with the pick attached? That deal is a hell of a lot worse than 1/17 for Jose with the pick included.

[justafan]

I think if you offer anything near that for JB to play 1st and/or DH, Eddie is a far better deal at 4 for $80. EE is way more exciting to watch. Plus, I think Joey wrecked his arm 2 years ago playing against the O's.

 

What is a top 20 draft pick worth in $$?

 

 

There has to be some upside included in the deal for us to sign him, I think.

 

Shatkins won't give up the comp pick for 1 year of Bautista when they could sign Moss or Valbuena and get 2/3rds of Jose's projected production or something like that.

 

I think if there was a way to put a team option in there it would make more sense for us. Like ok, we'll give you 3/45M and give up the comp pick but years 2 and 3 are team options because we want you for 3 years but only if you're good.

 

But Bautista will never go for that.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think if you offer anything near that for JB to play 1st and/or DH, Eddie is a far better deal at 4 for $80. EE is way more exciting to watch. Plus, I think Joey wrecked his arm 2 years ago playing against the O's.

 

What is a top 20 draft pick worth in $$?

 

Why does it matter what a top 20 pick is worth? The pick is in the early 30s. Even with a wrecked arm Jose has been worth 5.8 WAR the last 2 years with a wRC+ of 136 16th best in baseball.

[Spanky99]

Why does it matter what a top 20 pick is worth? The pick is in the early 30s. Even with a wrecked arm Jose has been worth 5.8 WAR the last 2 years with a wRC+ of 136 16th best in baseball.

 

1 year, 2 years, lets do it. He's a beast at the plate.

[RealAccountant]

This is a freaking disgrace. Jose is a franchise icon and is begging to come back. Show some loyalty FFS Shatkins. He's still got a couple years left.

 

New front office has too much arrogance

[RealAccountant]

I think if you offer anything near that for JB to play 1st and/or DH, Eddie is a far better deal at 4 for $80. EE is way more exciting to watch. Plus, I think Joey wrecked his arm 2 years ago playing against the O's.

 

What is a top 20 draft pick worth in $$?

 

There is no pick coming. His agents will advise him to wait it out till June.

[Candy Maldonado]

^mods

[Spanky99]

^mods

 

Funny thing with the Dogg, is he always s*** on AA, loved the new Shatkins moves, and now cries vice-versa one year later... classic trolling.

[gruber92]

New front office has too much arrogance

 

Why? For not offering an aging player with an obvious physical decline a multi year deal? I think Shapiro is right for not offering more than one year. As far as loyalty goes, i can see Shapiro upping the price to 1/20 if all else fails elsewhere.

[Spanky99]

Why? For not offering an aging player with an obvious physical decline a multi year deal? I think Shapiro is right for not offering more than one year. As far as loyalty goes, i can see Shapiro upping the price to 1/20 if all else fails elsewhere.

 

I'd sign him at 1/20 easy.

[TheHurl]

Funny thing with the Dogg, is he always s*** on AA, loved the new Shatkins moves, and now cries vice-versa one year later... classic trolling.

 

no matter what he sides on the side of the minority. Gets him the most reaction.

[Spanky99]

no matter what he sides on the side of the minority. Gets him the most reaction.

 

Yup. I only see what gets quoted, but it is cyclical.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Why? For not offering an aging player with an obvious physical decline a multi year deal? I think Shapiro is right for not offering more than one year. As far as loyalty goes, i can see Shapiro upping the price to 1/20 if all else fails elsewhere.

 

I'm sure this has been talked about but who is logically offering Bautista a deal, especially for something like 3 years? It would be great if he returned for 1 year.

[xposbrad]

I'd sign him at 1/20 easy.

 

Would you rather spend money risking it on JB or let's say a potential long term rotation piece like Tyson Ross? I know this club doesn't have unlimited 'risk' money, but I would like to see them be all in on him.

[Orgfiller]

Would you rather spend money risking it on JB or let's say a potential long term rotation piece like Tyson Ross? I know this club doesn't have unlimited 'risk' money, but I would like to see them be all in on him.

 

Tyson Ross shouldn't really cost much. We don't even know if he'll ever make another start.

[Spanky99]

Would you rather spend money risking it on JB or let's say a potential long term rotation piece like Tyson Ross? I know this club doesn't have unlimited 'risk' money, but I would like to see them be all in on him.

 

Tyson Ross just went through TOS surgery, hard pass.

[P2F]

I'd only take Ross if it was an incentive-laden deal.

[Spanky99]

I'd only take Ross if it was an incentive-laden deal.

 

Yeah, for peanuts on the AAV... everything else is his gravy.

[Spanky99]

Realistically, I'm waiting for the Birds to sign Jose and Blevins/Logan/Wood or Lopez, Wood wants to start, if he's an MLB depth starter, he could sign here.

[AdamGreenwood]

Yeah, for peanuts on the AAV... everything else is his gravy.

 

Three years, twelve-fifteen million. Worth the risk.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Three years, twelve-fifteen million. Worth the risk.

 

Hard to pass that up. Even if he completely falls off the cliff (unlikely IMO given his skills) it wouldn't be crippling.

 

Remember they just gave Morales 3/33, a guy who has even worse defensive ability than Bautista, and will likely be a worse hitter in the next 3 years.

[Spanky99]

Three years, twelve-fifteen million. Worth the risk.

 

Too much, with incentives... a lower AAV.

[Spanky99]

Hard to pass that up. Even if he completely falls off the cliff (unlikely IMO given his skills) it wouldn't be crippling.

 

Remember they just gave Morales 3/33, a guy who has even worse defensive ability than Bautista, and will likely be a worse hitter in the next 3 years.

 

Skills ain't worth s*** if he comes back as a hamburger... most do. Your opinion is on a wish and hare tale! Funny as you seem to think the Jays threw money away in signing Pearce at 6.5?

[saskjayfan]

Skills ain't worth s*** if he comes back as a hamburger... most do. Your opinion is on a wish and hare tale! Funny as you seem to think the Jays threw money away in signing Pearce at 6.5?

 

You wouldn't sign bats on a three year 36 mil deal?