The Jose Bautista Thread

[Driveof85]

A poor defensive player can make up for his defense with his bat. Bautista is a damn good hitter, even in a down year. His defense alone isn't a good enough reason not to sign him because overall he's clearly a valuable player.

 

We are all dicks out for Fowler but I'd like to see some sort of statistical argument that makes him that much more appealing on a 4 year deal than Bautista on a 2 or 3. Seems like the projections think they will be pretty similar, only Bautista probably has more injury risk and Fowler requires more commitment.

 

Amen to that. Fowler is overrated. Pearce in LF, Bautista in RF, EE at 1B. The additions of Pearce and Morales are more than enough additions to the lineup, provided EE returns

[Governator]

Amen to that. Fowler is overrated. Pearce in LF, Bautista in RF, EE at 1B. The additions of Pearce and Morales are more than enough additions to the lineup, provided EE returns

 

The odds of EE returning are probably 1%.

[bones10]

My biggest reason for wanting Bautista coming back is the fact that I have his jersey and I don't feel like buying another one. If he resigns I feel the rest of the career will be spent as a Bluejay

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd still prefer Fowler at 4/68 than Bautista at 2/34. I buy into Fowler's skill set, and think he'll be a good player for 3-4 years barring serious injury, and his particular skill set fits this team perfectly.

 

If thats all it would take I'd sign both in a heartbeat. Bautista at 17 Million for a 3 Win player is a steal. Have him and Pearce share time at 1B/LF and send Smoak away. Lineup with both is fantastic

 

Fowler

Donaldson

Bautista

Morales

Tulowitzki

Pearce

Travis

Martin

Pillar

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Yeah the fact that they are even circling back to Bautista tells me that they don't see Fowler signing with them. Getting the younger, better defensive player seems like a no brainer, but if it's not an option, then you have to go with the best of what's left. Joey might be it.

 

But yeah, seeing him in RF again would be painful.

 

 

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[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The odds of EE returning are probably 1%.

 

Give or take one percent and that may be true! Lol

[Orgfiller]

The odds of EE returning are probably 1%.

 

So you're telling me there's a chance?

[Statman]

Bringing back Bautista is gross.

[King]

My biggest reason for wanting Bautista coming back is the fact that I have his jersey and I don't feel like buying another one. If he resigns I feel the rest of the career will be spent as a Bluejay

 

That's fine. Just means the historical value goes up. That's why I rock my Jean Segura Brewers Shirsey all the time!

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Ugh id be so bummed if he was our everyday RF again. He's so f***ing bad in the outfield would rather him at 1B

[Angrioter]

Bautista x2 > overrated Fowler

[glory]

If the payroll is going to be around 160m, then they can't afford Fowler and Bautista, unless one or both take far less than they are expected to get. Might be one or the other.

[saskjayfan]

If thats all it would take I'd sign both in a heartbeat. Bautista at 17 Million for a 3 Win player is a steal. Have him and Pearce share time at 1B/LF and send Smoak away. Lineup with both is fantastic

 

Fowler

Donaldson

Bautista

Morales

Tulowitzki

Pearce

Travis

Martin

Pillar

 

There's no reason why the bluejays can't afford to sign both straight up, but Bautista loves Toronto. The jays could offer Bautista 17 per year for 2 years and pay 7 mil per for 2 years and pay the 20 mil deferred in three equal payments in years 3 4 and 5. They could get creative because I think Bautista wants back and as long as he's a free agent in 2 years and gets all his money being paid over 5 years it isn't that big of a deal. Last time I checked inflation was pretty low even with trumps pro growth policies.

[xposbrad]

If thats all it would take I'd sign both in a heartbeat. Bautista at 17 Million for a 3 Win player is a steal. Have him and Pearce share time at 1B/LF and send Smoak away. Lineup with both is fantastic

 

Fowler

Donaldson

Bautista

Morales

Tulowitzki

Pearce

Travis

Martin

Pillar

 

They need that exact lineup to have a shot against Boston. I think it will be JB or Fowler, not both though, then they'll add a project reliever to save money.

[Spanky99]

If the payroll is going to be around 160m, then they can't afford Fowler and Bautista, unless one or both take far less than they are expected to get. Might be one or the other.

 

Where have you guys heard this number?

[glory]

Where have you guys heard this number?

 

I think Davidi mentioned it, but might be speculation on his part.

[The Cats Ass]

My biggest reason for wanting Bautista coming back is the fact that I have his jersey and I don't feel like buying another one. If he resigns I feel the rest of the career will be spent as a Bluejay

 

I'd like to see him spend it out as a bluejay.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

The disrespect for Jose is pretty hilarious. The guy is one year removed from a 40HR, .250/.377/.536 season. Walk rates are still through the roof.

 

He had some injuries last year and still put up a very, very good offensive year. Shatkins will clearly bring him back as a primary DH if an offer is made.

 

Yes, bringing back one of the greatest players in franchise history on a short-term deal when he is still very capable of putting up excellent numbers is absolutely nauseating. The hive is at it again.

[saskjayfan]

I think Davidi mentioned it, but might be speculation on his part.

 

Isn't payroll at 133? 34 mil for both isn't that far off. Backload the contracts even a little 2.5 mil per in the first year for both and payroll is 162. Estrada and liriano come off the books next year and that's 27 mil.

[Spanky99]

The disrespect for Jose is pretty hilarious. The guy is one year removed from a 40HR, .250/.377/.536 season. Walk rates are still through the roof.

 

He had some injuries last year and still put up a very, very good offensive year. Shatkins will clearly bring him back as a primary DH if an offer is made.

 

Yes, bringing back one of the greatest players in franchise history on a short-term deal when he is still very capable of putting up excellent numbers is absolutely nauseating. The hive is at it again.

 

I believe it's more an OF thing, but I'd be elated to have him back.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Where have you guys heard this number?

 

I know I asked that too?

[intentional wok]

The disrespect for Jose is pretty hilarious. The guy is one year removed from a 40HR, .250/.377/.536 season. Walk rates are still through the roof.

 

He had some injuries last year and still put up a very, very good offensive year. Shatkins will clearly bring him back as a primary DH if an offer is made.

 

Yes, bringing back one of the greatest players in franchise history on a short-term deal when he is still very capable of putting up excellent numbers is absolutely nauseating. The hive is at it again.

 

Morales will definitely be the primary DH. Jose will go into the OF or maybe split some 1B time with Pearce. But yeah, I wouldn't mind him back either.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I believe it's more an OF thing, but I'd be elated to have him back.

 

Even if they brought JB back at DH I'm sure half of the board would still be up in arms.

 

Bautista on a 2-3 year deal at a reasonable AAV would be a complete steal.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The disrespect for Jose is pretty hilarious. The guy is one year removed from a 40HR, .250/.377/.536 season. Walk rates are still through the roof.

 

He had some injuries last year and still put up a very, very good offensive year. Shatkins will clearly bring him back as a primary DH if an offer is made.

 

Yes, bringing back one of the greatest players in franchise history on a short-term deal when he is still very capable of putting up excellent numbers is absolutely nauseating. The hive is at it again.

 

 

But but we lose a pick... forevermore if we do!

 

Where does He actually play Now?

 

Sign him only now if the money and term is good for us and if he removes all no trade clauses !

[closetjaysfan]

I think we can get him for cheap. He must no by now that the chances of getting the deal he wants are non-existent and that the list of teams willing to give up a pick are pathetically small.

[Spanky99]

Even if they brought JB back at DH I'm sure half of the board would still be up in arms.

 

Bautista on a 2-3 year deal at a reasonable AAV would be a complete steal.

 

2 years, club option on a 3rd, split playing time at 1st and LF with Pearce would be alright.

[burlingtonbandit]

If the payroll is going to be around 160m, then they can't afford Fowler and Bautista, unless one or both take far less than they are expected to get. Might be one or the other.

 

Say Fowler signs 4/68 you could structure it where they only pay him 10-12 Million this year, fitting both into the payroll cap.

[closetjaysfan]

But but we lose a pick... forevermore if we do!

 

Where does He actually play Now?

 

Sign him only now if the money and term is good for us and if he removes all no trade clauses !

 

We only get a pick if he signs before the draft, which is looking more and more unlikely.

[bronson44]

I assume business interests and endorsement opportunities here could also factor in, making it more attractive to take a lesser deal than others are offering. To what extent, I'm not sure.

[Laika]

Projected wOBA:

 

Edwin .360

Bau .364

 

just saying