The Jose Bautista Thread

[TwistedLogic]

Gonna be honest, I really don't like this after the Pearce/Morales signings. Kinda smells like another full-time outfield gig for Jose. The only way I'd feel good about this is if Bautista somehow agreed to becoming the primary first baseman.

 

[Terminator]

Gonna be honest, I really don't like this after the Pearce/Morales signings. Kinda smells like another full-time outfield gig for Jose. The only way I'd feel good about this is if Bautista somehow agreed to becoming the primary first baseman.

 

Why? Pearce is good at 1B, less so in the OF. Just take the good defense at 1B IMO by leaving Pearce there and throw Bautista in LF where his defense sucks but his bat will make up for it.

[BTS]

Would very much prefer Fowler.

[Governator]

Would very much prefer Fowler.

 

So would the Jays

[Terminator]

Would very much prefer Fowler.

 

What if Bautista signed a 2 year deal for similar AAV to Fowler at a 4 year deal?

[bronson44]

lol

[TwistedLogic]

Why? Pearce is good at 1B, less so in the OF. Just take the good defense at 1B IMO by leaving Pearce there and throw Bautista in LF where his defense sucks but his bat will make up for it.

 

I agree on Pearce, which is why I'm perfectly content with Bautista walking for a draft pick. At this point, the team would have to be going out of their way to find Bautista a spot on the field, and with an aging team with several question marks still to fill, I don't think Jose is the answer.

 

I'm still holding out hope that Shatkins pull out a miracle and somehow grab Fowler and one of Eaton/McCutchen.

[Governator]

lol

 

That's amazing

[Terminator]

I agree on Pearce, which is why I'm perfectly content with Bautista walking for a draft pick. At this point, the team would have to be going out of their way to find Bautista a spot on the field, and with an aging team with several question marks still to fill, I don't think Jose is the answer.

 

I'm still holding out hope that Shatkins pull out a miracle and somehow grab Fowler and one of Eaton/McCutchen.

 

I get that part of your original post. I just didn't understand why you'd prefer to have Bautista make a position switch while Pearce plays his lesser position. I'd put Bautista in LF and Pearce at 1B.

[BTS]

What if Bautista signed a 2 year deal for similar AAV to Fowler at a 4 year deal?

 

I'd still prefer Fowler at 4/68 than Bautista at 2/34. I buy into Fowler's skill set, and think he'll be a good player for 3-4 years barring serious injury, and his particular skill set fits this team perfectly.

[Krylian]

Jays have all the leverage. Bautista won't get any good offers due to compensation, his ego, and fans hatred.

 

Offer him 2/30.

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

If we re sign JB i assume we won't sign Fowler right?

[BTS]

lol

 

holy f*** lol

[Terminator]

I'd still prefer Fowler at 4/68 than Bautista at 2/34. I buy into Fowler's skill set, and think he'll be a good player for 3-4 years barring serious injury, and his particular skill set fits this team perfectly.

 

I hear ya. It's really close to me though. I think the projections would probably say it's close as well. I wouldn't be upset with either deal.

[King]

lol

 

Orioles Hangout running the ship now

[TwistedLogic]

I get that part of your original post. I just didn't understand why you'd prefer to have Bautista make a position switch while Pearce plays his lesser position. I'd put Bautista in LF and Pearce at 1B.

 

I just wouldn't sign Jose Bautista, lol. If I was stuck with Bautista, I wouldn't put him in the outfield. If I absolutely had to play him in the outfield, it wouldn't be in right field, which is where he'll probably be playing if they sign him. That's what makes it such a non-ideal move for me. It's too much of a compromise defensively. None of this would be an issue if they hadn't signed Morales but they did and so now it's an issue.

 

In the event that they do sign Bautista and they do decide to give him the majority of his reps in the outfield, they almost have to grab a Cutch/Eaton/Fowler to make up for it on the other side of the field. You can't roll with another Bautista/Saunders-like clown fiesta for another year. Please.

[Spanky99]

holy f*** lol

 

Steve Phillips said this on TSN yesterday about most AL teams and burned bridges/they don't like him, and NL teams don't see him as an OF'er anymore so little interest.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/blue-jays-are-out-on-encarnacion-1.623894

[G-Snarls]

Most Orioles fans would probably decide they like him just fine after a half season with a 380 OBP and 20 bombs

[glory]

Would very much prefer Fowler.

 

This might signal that Fowler is a no go and Joey might be the best/affordable option.

[Terminator]

I just wouldn't sign Jose Bautista, lol. If I was stuck with Bautista, I wouldn't put him in the outfield. If I absolutely had to play him in the outfield, it wouldn't be in right field, which is where he'll probably be playing if they sign him. That's what makes it such a non-ideal move for me. It's too much of a compromise defensively. None of this would be an issue if they hadn't signed Morales but they did and so now it's an issue.

 

In the event that they do sign Bautista and they do decide to give him the majority of his reps in the outfield, they almost have to grab a Cutch/Eaton/Fowler to make up for it on the other side of the field. You can't roll with another Bautista/Saunders-like clown fiesta for another year. Please.

 

A poor defensive player can make up for his defense with his bat. Bautista is a damn good hitter, even in a down year. His defense alone isn't a good enough reason not to sign him because overall he's clearly a valuable player.

 

We are all dicks out for Fowler but I'd like to see some sort of statistical argument that makes him that much more appealing on a 4 year deal than Bautista on a 2 or 3. Seems like the projections think they will be pretty similar, only Bautista probably has more injury risk and Fowler requires more commitment.

[saskjayfan]

A poor defensive player can make up for his defense with his bat. Bautista is a damn good hitter, even in a down year. His defense alone isn't a good enough reason not to sign him because overall he's clearly a valuable player.

 

We are all dicks out for Fowler but I'd like to see some sort of statistical argument that makes him that much more appealing on a 4 year deal than Bautista on a 2 or 3. Seems like the projections think they will be pretty similar, only Bautista probably has more injury risk and Fowler requires more commitment.

 

Just sign both.

[ChrisS]

Fowler is younger, less injury prone, faster on the bases and plays better defense/arm. Jose has better power.

[Terminator]

Just sign both.

 

I'd be game we need two corner OFers. Not sure we have the cash for that though.

 

Who knows maybe Fowler doesn't want to come to the Jays and is just using them to try and find a deal elsewhere. At that point it's not really an either-or scenario it becomes more about just Bautista.

[bronson44]

I'm picturing Bautista with a O'Day just threw behind him face heading straight to Atkins' suite after that meeting with the O's.

[Laika]

A poor defensive player can make up for his defense with his bat. Bautista is a damn good hitter, even in a down year. His defense alone isn't a good enough reason not to sign him because overall he's clearly a valuable player.

 

We are all dicks out for Fowler but I'd like to see some sort of statistical argument that makes him that much more appealing on a 4 year deal than Bautista on a 2 or 3. Seems like the projections think they will be pretty similar, only Bautista probably has more injury risk and Fowler requires more commitment.

 

Frankly, there isn't a very strong argument.

 

Dexter Fowler is quite overrated right now.

 

But there is an argument and it says that Toronto needs an outfielder, a leadoff hitter, and a guy to help from the left hand side of the plate and Dexter is all of those things.

Also, Bautista is coming off a bad year at 36 and Dexter Fowler is coming off a very good year at 30 years old. The chance that Bautista is toast is real and Dexter is a pretty safe commodity. They'll get a similar AAV and Toronto has limited money so maybe best if they go the safer (younger) route.

[glory]

I'd be game we need two corner OFers. Not sure we have the cash for that though.

 

Who knows maybe Fowler doesn't want to come to the Jays and is just using them to try and find a deal elsewhere. At that point it's not really an either-or scenario it becomes more about just Bautista.

 

Yeah the fact that they are even circling back to Bautista tells me that they don't see Fowler signing with them. Getting the younger, better defensive player seems like a no brainer, but if it's not an option, then you have to go with the best of what's left. Joey might be it.

 

But yeah, seeing him in RF again would be painful.

[Driveof85]

Gonna be honest, I really don't like this after the Pearce/Morales signings. Kinda smells like another full-time outfield gig for Jose. The only way I'd feel good about this is if Bautista somehow agreed to becoming the primary first baseman.

 

 

JB belongs with the Jays and back in the OF. Preferring him at 1B makes no sense. We need his bat and his presence. Huge Bautista fan.

[Spanky99]

I'm picturing Bautista with a O'Day just threw behind him face heading straight to Atkins' suite after that meeting with the O's.

 

lol

[John_Havok]

Steve Phillips said this on TSN yesterday about most AL teams and burned bridges/they don't like him, and NL teams don't see him as an OF'er anymore so little interest.

 

http://www.tsn.ca/blue-jays-are-out-on-encarnacion-1.623894

 

I really don't think teams are so unanimous in their supposed hatred of him personally that they wouldn't be falling all,over themselves trying to sign him if he had just had a good year.

 

 

It's probably just a convenient narrative

[Spanky99]

I really don't think teams are so unanimous in their supposed hatred of him personally that they wouldn't be falling all,over themselves trying to sign him if he had just had a good year.

 

 

It's probably just a convenient narrative

 

Yeah, possibly. I didn't think that kind of s*** mattered at all... I was kind of taken back when he said it.