Jays and Mets discussing Bruce trade

[thatoneguy]

How about no.

[Terminator]

I'd rather just sign Matt Joyce than give up assets to pay Bruce 13 million next year.

[KingKat]

I'd rather just sign Matt Joyce than give up assets to pay Bruce 13 million next year.

 

I could see someone like Bruce in a Francisco Liriano type scenario where you trade Pompey for a guy like Bruce and some better prospects but that only makes sense with a team that is stuck with a guy like Bruce not a team that just committed themselves to him when they didn't have to. It wouldn't make sense for the Mets to spend prospect capital to get a team to take on a salary that they could have just dumped for free (edit: O.K. not for free as Abom pointed out but for a small sum in baseball terms).

[Abomination]

I could see someone like Bruce in a Francisco Liriano type scenario where you trade Pompey for a guy like Bruce and some better prospects but that only makes sense with a team that is stuck with a guy like Bruce not a team that just committed themselves to him when they didn't have to. It wouldn't make sense for the Mets to spend prospect capital to get a team to take on a salary that they could have just dumped for free.

 

Well, it had a 1M buyout. They obviously wouldn't give up an interesting asset for that amount though.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

So you like cheap guys that swing both ways?

 

Nope !!! Maybe you do or ask BTS maybe, he might? Lol

 

I like ball players who can hit both Lhp and Rhp and don't require a platoon or trade or named Jay Bruce!

 

Your funny you' ll die last!!! Lol

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I'd rather just sign Matt Joyce than give up assets to pay Bruce 13 million next year.

 

When you suggest options it should be better not just as bad or worse!!! Lol

[Governator]

Nope !!! Maybe you do or ask BTS maybe, he might? Lol

 

I like ball players who can hit both Lhp and Rhp and don't require a platoon or trade or named Jay Bruce!

 

Your funny you' ll die last!!! Lol

 

There's nothing wrong using platoons it's usually a cheaper way of creating value in a position of need. It also provides capable depth rather than carrying a AAAA bench player.

Edited November 13, 2016 by Governator

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

There's nothing wrong using platoons it's usually a cheaper way of creating value in a position of need. It also provides capable depth rather than carrying a AAAA bench player.

 

As a Last resort maybe, not a need want or now... There's better out there still.

[Governator]

As a Last resort maybe, not a need want or now... There's better out there still.

 

Not even as a last resort... Upton+Reddick would provide more value out of one corner outfield spot than Bautista, at a cheaper cost.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Not even as a last resort... Upton+Reddick would provide more value out of one corner outfield spot than Bautista, at a cheaper cost.

 

That's to be seen, not sure about that and it also takes up to Roster Spots and may require and you now need two backups to cover there skill sets of injuries require and if pillar gets dinged but not enough to require DL time then what???

[Governator]

That's to be seen, not sure about that and it also takes up to Roster Spots and may require and you now need two backups to cover there skill sets of injuries require and if pillar gets dinged but not enough to require DL time then what???

 

The platoon doubles as your depth piece... Understandably it creates a weak spot in the line up per say but it's still adequate MLB talent. It's also why having someone like Pearce would be quite useful as a super utility type for those times.

[Brownie19]

I could see someone like Bruce in a Francisco Liriano type scenario where you trade Pompey for a guy like Bruce and some better prospects but that only makes sense with a team that is stuck with a guy like Bruce not a team that just committed themselves to him when they didn't have to. It wouldn't make sense for the Mets to spend prospect capital to get a team to take on a salary that they could have just dumped for free (edit: O.K. not for free as Abom pointed out but for a small sum in baseball terms).

 

If we are taking on that shitbag Bruce, we need to ship them Smoak and get Duda in return somehow...

[Brownie19]

Pompey, Smoak + mid level prospect for Bruce, Duda, Smoker and Cecchini or Nimmo. Bam

[Stangstag]

Pompey, Smoak + mid level prospect for Bruce, Duda, Smoker and Cecchini or Nimmo. Bam

 

Wat

[Grant77]

The platoon doubles as your depth piece... Understandably it creates a weak spot in the line up per say but it's still adequate MLB talent. It's also why having someone like Pearce would be quite useful as a super utility type for those times.

 

I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but that one just bugs me.

[Governator]

I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but that one just bugs me.

 

 

I don't give a s***.

[burlingtonbandit]

Why not just sign Saunders instead of trading Bruce? They both are terrible in the OF but Saunders is the better hitter and you won't have to give anything up.

[RealAccountant]

Why not just sign Saunders instead of trading Bruce? They both are terrible in the OF but Saunders is the better hitter and you won't have to give anything up.

 

Saunders is also projected to be a better defender.

[Spanky99]

I don't give a s***.

 

lol... *per se*

[Bobthe4th]

Why not just sign Saunders instead of trading Bruce? They both are terrible in the OF but Saunders is the better hitter and you won't have to give anything up.

 

Because the front office must have seen something in him that makes them think he'll return to 2013 Bruce when he was better than Saunders has ever been.

 

Let's just hope that they're right.

[burlingtonbandit]

Because the front office must have seen something in him that makes them think he'll return to 2013 Bruce when he was better than Saunders has ever been.

 

Let's just hope that they're right.

 

My guess (complete speculation) is Joe Sheehan and the analytics team thinks he will break out based on batted balls. I do worry though since Sheehan was the one behind Justin Smoak breaking out(which never happened and he looks bad).

[Bobthe4th]

My guess (complete speculation) is Joe Sheehan and the analytics team thinks he will break out based on batted balls. I do worry though since Sheehan was the one behind Justin Smoak breaking out(which never happened and he looks bad).

 

Yeah you're fully justified to worry - they must have seen something in Smoak that none of us did, and he's got even worse since being extended. But at least Bruce has had a few good seasons in his career, Smoak has never really worked here, and never even put up a 1 WAR season.

 

I'd be happier with signing someone else, but on a one year deal after pursuing him all year, I'm willing to give the front office the benefit of the doubt on Bruce.

[Jimcanuck]

I trust in Shatkins.

 

The play here may be a Liriano type trade, with the Mets throwing in a prospect or two in return for Jays taking on Bruce contract with someone like Carrera going the other way. Mets may see Bruce as a negative asset.

 

Jays hope for a Bruce rebound in a contract year but mainly after the prospects.

[Angrioter]

I trust in Shatkins.

 

The play here may be a Liriano type trade, with the Mets throwing in a prospect or two in return for Jays taking on Bruce contract with someone like Carrera going the other way. Mets may see Bruce as a negative asset.

 

Jays hope for a Bruce rebound in a contract year but mainly after the prospects.

 

Are you sure?

 

 

Sandy Anderson f***ed us a couple of times.

[KingKat]

. Mets may see Bruce as a negative asset.

 

 

As I pointed out earlier ITT, if the Mets saw him as a negative asset, they would have bought him out for 1M (a relatively small sum in baseball terms).

[Key22]

I don't know about Saunders - that knee injury makes him look like he's 90 years old out in left field - he was pretty horrible looking defensively. He can't steal bases - basically he looks shot.

 

His offense - yikes - .178/.282/.357 in the entire second half was abysmal

Bruce was pretty weak in the second half too but still a lot better .226/.301/.462

 

And he's averaged 25+ homers a year and a .785OPS over the last 9 years so of the two the guy is better. Especially with gimpy Col Saunders flailing out in LF.

 

Where was this speed and non one dimensional targets they were going to go after this off season though? They signed maybe the slowest guy in the AL not at the catching position in Morales .

[SweetSmellingChacin]

Morales, Smoak, possibly Bruce? How many one dimensional players do the Jays need? These 3 would cost 30 million and you'd be ucky to get 2 WAR from them combined.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Morales, Smoak, possibly Bruce? How many one dimensional players do the Jays need? These 3 would cost 30 million and you'd be ucky to get 2 WAR from them combined.

 

And if this board has a Say add Reddick and Upton to that list, platoons are good right Gov? Lol

[Governator]

And if this board has a Say add Reddick and Upton to that list, platoons are good right Gov? Lol

 

Morales is allowed to be one dimensional, that's sort of his position and he's an above average bat at both sides of the plate...

 

Odds are Bruce or Reddick are being looked at to fulfill Upton's split and Smoak can f*** right off.

[intentional wok]

As I pointed out earlier ITT, if the Mets saw him as a negative asset, they would have bought him out for 1M (a relatively small sum in baseball terms).

 

Yeah. It should raise a lot of eyebrows if they saw him as a negative asset and then picked him back up in the hopes that some other team would be willing to part with anything worthwhile. I can't see this turning into a Liriano situation.

 

I don't want Bruce at all to be honest. Especially not when there's still plenty of meat left at the free agent table.