Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Spanky99]

Not really. Drew Storen was half way through a 1 year $8m contract and had a track record of success prior to joining us. Relievers often will change teams mid season and then put up good numbers.

 

Smoak is a 2 year commitment to a 1B only player who has no track record of success and has been terrible recently.

 

Which doesn't matter on this clubs top value or money. He could be moved for balls, as long as a club frees up 4 million this year?

[Jonn]

The struggle I have is wondering if Atkins would move Smoak for free if given the chance or if he truly actually believes in him.

[burlingtonbandit]

Dunno, I'm not sure we'd have to eat too much. I could see the Rangers or Astros being a possible fit.

 

Smoak + something for Aoki would rock, especially since they signed Reddick and Beltran, and may not have too many at-bats for him.

 

Astros have Gurriel. Sure Smoak would be a fit for a couple of teams but there are too many 1B FA out there. If it was only a 1 year deal you could likely unload it but not team is going to want to commit to a 2nd year.

 

Moss, Napoli, Lind, Morrison, Loney all still out there.

Napoli, Moss

[Krylian]

The struggle I have is wondering if Atkins would move Smoak for free if given the chance or if he truly actually believes in him.

 

I don't think Atkins is willing to admit to a bad signing that quickly. He'll keep him around out of spite or fear of backlash before admitting that Smoak shouldn't be here IMO.

[Maahfaace]

Astros have Gurriel. Sure Smoak would be a fit for a couple of teams but there are too many 1B FA out there. If it was only a 1 year deal you could likely unload it but not team is going to want to commit to a 2nd year.

 

Moss, Napoli, Lind, Morrison, Loney all still out there.

Napoli, Moss

 

Why they offered the 2nd year is truely perplexing. I get that they wanted a backup plan in case EE didn't return, but it's not as if Smoak was in a position to bargain with the Jays.

[burlingtonbandit]

Why they offered the 2nd year is truely perplexing. I get that they wanted a backup plan in case EE didn't return, but it's not as if Smoak was in a position to bargain with the Jays.

 

They must have though the bat was going to break out. AGM Joe Sheehan was really big on signing him back when AA was here so maybe he was the one pushing it.

[RealAccountant]

What does Blanton go for. That would be a bolstering addition freeing up Biagini

[Brownie19]

Astros have Gurriel. Sure Smoak would be a fit for a couple of teams but there are too many 1B FA out there. If it was only a 1 year deal you could likely unload it but not team is going to want to commit to a 2nd year.

 

Moss, Napoli, Lind, Morrison, Loney all still out there.

Napoli, Moss

 

They also have AJ Reed. I see absolutely no reason why the Astros would choose to trade for Smoak instead of giving Reed the opportunity.

[Governator]

Any thoughts on Fernando Salas instead of targeting Blevins? Would he come cheaper at this point? He has equal splits, not a FIP above 4 since his debut in 2010, great walk rate. If we mix in Loup we probably lengthen our BP and have a more useful arm that can be used in more situations.

[Laika]

Any thoughts on Fernando Salas instead of targeting Blevins? Would he come cheaper at this point? He has equal splits, not a FIP above 4 since his debut in 2010, great walk rate. If we mix in Loup we probably lengthen our BP and have a more useful arm that can be used in more situations.

 

Salas is good! I think.

 

When he broke in with the Cards back in 2011 he looked like a stud. His talent hasn't changed much or at all since then, but his usage and opportunities have varied considerably. After posting a 3.59 FIP in 2012 he spent half the year in AAA in 2013. Then he was excellent with the Angels but largely unnoticed due to not closing on a bad team.

 

Possible free agent value RP (which is rare).

[HERPDERP]

drop in K is alarming.

 

why not dermody

[KingKat]

Any thoughts on Fernando Salas instead of targeting Blevins? Would he come cheaper at this point? He has equal splits, not a FIP above 4 since his debut in 2010, great walk rate. If we mix in Loup we probably lengthen our BP and have a more useful arm that can be used in more situations.

 

Atkins made it pretty clearly that the team is not on board with the new reliever valuations. There's too much volatility with non elite relievers (I'll leave the question of the volatility of the elite ones to another debate). Atkins is bidding his time. One of two things is likely to happen. Some but probably not all of these relievers will get what they're looking and Atkins will scoop up what's left OR one of these guys is just going to get fed up and lower their asking price and provoke a market adjustment. Atkins' patience stands to be rewarded either way and the later scenario seems pretty probable because it's January and all the teams seem to be holding firm not just the Jays when it comes to paying these guys. It doesn't seem like the market in general sees enough separation s to be willing to overpay for whoever would theoretically be the best. I guess that's my roundabout way of saying that I think the Jays will land someone but they probably won't lose sleep over which of the similar assets on the market it is. It will be Salas is the dominos fall that way.

[Brownie19]

drop in K is alarming.

 

why not dermody

 

2016 K% was only about 1% below his career. It looks more like 2015 was a spike to me. I think he'd be a solid piece, although relievers with low GB% scare me a bit in the RC.

[Laika]

drop in K is alarming.

 

why not dermody

 

Dermody has options.

 

It would be very bad process to let him break camp with the team.

[Laika]

I didn't notice the Floyd signing back on the 5th. Pretty good minor league deal.

[Ray]

Holding out on the reliever market is probably the smartest thing Atkins has done this offseason after re signing Bautista. Mike Dunn got a 3 year deal for gods sake. Glad he's not overspending on the bullpen. Wait it out until the last possible moment and then pick up the scraps for cheap. Good bullpens can be built for cheap.

[KingKat]

Holding out on the reliever market is probably the smartest thing Atkins has done this offseason after re signing Bautista. Mike Dunn got a 3 year deal for gods sake. Glad he's not overspending on the bullpen. Wait it out until the last possible moment and then pick up the scraps for cheap. Good bullpens can be built for cheap.

 

Yeah and it's not like it's a terrible bullpen as it is. Atkins has Loup in his back pocket whose career splits indicate that he should be fine if ever he was used as a strict loogy. There should be enough guys to handle the high leverage inning effectively which is what matters most and there are some intriguing names to round out the cast (Sparkman, Floyd, etc.)

[Terminator]

Holding out on the reliever market is probably the smartest thing Atkins has done this offseason after re signing Bautista. Mike Dunn got a 3 year deal for gods sake. Glad he's not overspending on the bullpen. Wait it out until the last possible moment and then pick up the scraps for cheap. Good bullpens can be built for cheap.

 

Absolutely. Giving three year, 20 million plus deals to the Mike Dunns of the world is how you f*** up your team moving forward.

[intentional wok]

Are there any RPs on the market that anyone would feel comfortable handing multi-year, semi-expensive deals to?

[Maine Jays]

Are there any RPs on the market that anyone would feel comfortable handing multi-year, semi-expensive deals to?

 

Blevins and Holland

[Captain Adama]

No.

 

If Cecil was still on the market I would've had no problems giving him a multi year deal.

[Laika]

Are there any RPs on the market that anyone would feel comfortable handing multi-year, semi-expensive deals to?

 

No, but there are still a bunch of names that I would like to sign.

 

Howell, Logan, Furbush, Blevins, Wood, Maness, Hunter, Smith, Salas, Romo, Jepsen, Petit, Barrett, Tolleson, Belisle, Blanton, B.Norris, Hernandez, Holland, Hochevar.

 

Look at them all!!!

[intentional wok]

No, but there are still a bunch of names that I would like to sign.

 

Howell, Logan, Furbush, Blevins, Wood, Maness, Hunter, Smith, Salas, Romo, Jepsen, Petit, Barrett, Tolleson, Belisle, Blanton, B.Norris, Hernandez, Holland, Hochevar.

 

Look at them all!!!

 

I thought the Rays nabbed Tolleson.

 

edit: https://rayscoloredglasses.com/2017/01/17/tampa-bay-rays-finalizing-deal-tolleson/ Seems it's just a matter of making it official.

[BTS]

No, but there are still a bunch of names that I would like to sign.

 

Howell, Logan, Furbush, Blevins, Wood, Maness, Hunter, Smith, Salas, Romo, Jepsen, Petit, Barrett, Tolleson, Belisle, Blanton, B.Norris, Hernandez, Holland, Hochevar.

 

Look at them all!!!

 

The fact that Feliz, at 29 and coming off a good year (albeit cut short by an arm injury), only got 1/5.8 should bode well for getting 1-2 of those guys on reasonable 1-year deals.

[Pendleton]

Are there any RPs on the market that anyone would feel comfortable handing multi-year, semi-expensive deals to?

 

2 years for Blevins would probably be fine, or Wood if you consider him a RP.

 

I'm starting to lean towards spending the remaining budget on a good reliever like Blevins rather than on one of the remaining bats. The way I look at it, our most precious asset is the health and performance of our rotation - and Osuna. Adding another high leverage veteran reliever would go a long way towards insulating those key arms - also gives us some flexibility to stretch Biagini into a long role to prepare as rotation depth.

[intentional wok]

2 years for Blevins would probably be fine, or Wood if you consider him a RP.

 

I'm starting to lean towards spending the remaining budget on a good reliever like Blevins rather than on one of the remaining bats. The way I look at it, our most precious asset is the health and performance of our rotation - and Osuna. Adding another high leverage veteran reliever would go a long way towards insulating those key arms - also gives us some flexibility to stretch Biagini into a long role to prepare as rotation depth.

 

If BTS's updated topic post is accurate, the Blue Jays have 10-12M left in the 2017 budget, no? Might be worth grabbing one arm, rolling with AJ at backup C, and then hanging onto the remainder to help facilitate the salary of hired help from a mid-season trade. I know people are gagging at the Upton/Zeke/Pompey LF scenario, but it seems like that's what we're looking at for the time being.

[Pendleton]

If BTS's updated topic post is accurate, the Blue Jays have 10-12M left in the 2017 budget, no? Might be worth grabbing one arm, rolling with AJ at backup C, and then hanging onto the remainder to help facilitate the salary of hired help from a mid-season trade. I know people are gagging at the Upton/Zeke/Pompey LF scenario, but it seems like that's what we're looking at for the time being.

 

I was thinking it was less, but that's great if true. Spend half or less on a relief arm, bring in one more decent dirt cheap option to compete for the backup catcher job, and save the rest for a bat at mid season if we still need one. Maybe it turns out Pompey hits enough to bring value along with his speed and range, and Upton rakes lefties all year. Could even see a guy like Harold hit his way into the lineup. If not, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find a LF bat

[Ray]

Holland is going to be huge value for someone.

 

I'm really really hoping we can get Holland, but I think the Nats land him.

[KingKat]

No, but there are still a bunch of names that I would like to sign.

 

Howell, Logan, Furbush, Blevins, Wood, Maness, Hunter, Smith, Salas, Romo, Jepsen, Petit, Barrett, Tolleson, Belisle, Blanton, B.Norris, Hernandez, Holland, Hochevar.

 

Look at them all!!!

 

Hochevar doesn't generate much discussion but he's an intriguing name. Because I had him in fantasy, I noticed that he's still really good when he hits the field. He put up a 4.44 K/BB which is only a hair below his awesome season of 2013. Of course he also only pitched half sa many innings and was buried on the depth chart but there's some intriguing upside there even if it comes with some with health caveats. He's 33 so not young but he's not THAT old for a pitcher. He has the raw ability to outperform Grilli and as much as I love Jason, I wouldn't mind having someone who could theoretically push him down a rung on the depth chart and more bullpen depth would also give the team a bit more flexibility with Biagini if they ever decide that they need to stretch him out. It's all comes down to scouting Hochevar's potential health.

Edited January 23, 2017 by KingKat

[Terminator]

One thing to add to the discussion here but I do not care if we sign another lefty or not. Loup can be the lefty for now I just want best available regardless of which arm they throw with.