Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[saskjayfan]

Pompey fantasy owner.

The guy can't catch the ball, and he's a f***ing moron on the field. He looks like an idiot running and catching the ball.

He needs to improve his mental game

 

you got all that from the AAA box scores last year?

[Gary]

I did a bachelor week in Mexico in 2013. It was pretty cheap. I was ready to be done after like three days though since the group was mostly my buddy's other circle of friends.

 

Did you bang any hot chicks while you were there?

[Governator]

you got all that from the AAA box scores last year?

 

Probably more like this:

 

 

Kings Platinum Arencibia

 

1) Dalton Pompey: Pompey had an afternoon to forget on Monday..

 

Error 1: After a leadoff walk in the bottom of the 1st, Pompey was caught sleeping at 1st base and was picked off.

http://i.giphy.com/l3UcqcYWgdp8Z3tS0.gif

 

Error 2: Top of the 2nd. Pompey drops a lazy fly ball in the outfield.

http://i.giphy.com/3oD3YypshPxid2r1Cw.gif

 

Error 3: A few batters later, Pompey slams face first into the wall after he loses his balance chasing down a flyball to the warning track. He left the game, and is reportedly day to day with a knee injury.

http://i.giphy.com/3oD3YzebirqcogNK3m.gif

 

 

[Daniel Labude]

Probably more like this:

 

So you are sayin he is better than Bautista in the field...got it

[Maine Jays]

I'm fine with giving Pompey a half-season trial as Upton's platoon partner as long as we add Bautista, Moss, Granderson (or someone of their ilk) in right.

 

If he fails (which I'm reasonably sure he will) we have Gurriel, who should be ready by then, or Ramirez.

[puphood]

Unless some miracle happens this spring all you Pompey fans stand down......

[tercet]

FYI FYI FYI FYI FYI

 

Pompey is slugging 354~ over his last 700 ab's in AAA

 

FYI FYI FYI FYI FYI

[Jimcanuck]

FYI FYI FYI FYI FYI

 

Pompey is slugging 354~ over his last 700 ab's in AAA

 

FYI FYI FYI FYI FYI

 

Tercet doesn't like Pompey. Therefore, Pompey should be up with the Jays in 2017.

[Ultimate]

I see Pompey's floor as being equivalent to what Carerra is now.

 

Pompey's career MLB OPS is in line with Carerra's career OPS and Carerra's 2016 OPS.

 

Pompey might be the same as Zeke or he might have a little upside. I would definitely give him a chance on the strong side of the platoon if we only sign 1 outfielder.

 

I might still prefer Pagan, Saunders and the draft pick over Bautista though. Then Pompey could get a few months in AAA and be the first callup when a starting outfielder goes down.

 

Carerra had some nice moments last year but I really don't see how he can make the team in 2017.

[Bobthe4th]

I see Pompey's floor as being equivalent to what Carerra is now.

 

Pompey's career MLB OPS is in line with Carerra's career OPS and Carerra's 2016 OPS.

 

Pompey might be the same as Zeke or he might have a little upside. I would definitely give him a chance on the strong side of the platoon if we only sign 1 outfielder.

 

I might still prefer Pagan, Saunders and the draft pick over Bautista though. Then Pompey could get a few months in AAA and be the first callup when a starting outfielder goes down.

 

Carerra had some nice moments last year but I really don't see how he can make the team in 2017.

 

Carrera is 100% making the 25 man if Gibbons has any say in it.

 

And even if he doesn't, Carrera has shown he can be a 4th outfielder and his salary is low - that's the kind of security this front office seems to covet.

 

Even though it wouldn't take much for Pompey to be better, his floor is never making it in the majors.

[Bobthe4th]

Note - the above is what I think the front office will do.

 

I'd want to give Pompey a chance to win a job in spring training.

[jaysblue]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/salvaging-the-blue-jays-winter/

 

Dave Cameron just wrote a piece today on the Jays.

[Terminator]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/salvaging-the-blue-jays-winter/

 

Dave Cameron just wrote a piece today on the Jays.

 

Not a bad take. Seems like a weird position to be in though, there is one good FA left in Bautista and this team has a lot riding on how that plays out.

[KingKat]

Not a bad take. Seems like a weird position to be in though, there is one good FA left in Bautista and this team has a lot riding on how that plays out.

 

There's no way the Jays wanted to be in this position. They like to have contingencies in place. When EE turned them down, they locked up Morales and made a push for Fowler. They must have felt that had a real shot at Fowler and this is was better to go hard after him than hope EE came back to them. A reasonable decision to make at the time since it does seem like they got real close with Fowler and Morales is decent but off-seasons are tricky. Last year everything fell into place pretty easily. They got the pitchers they needed early and the rest of the offseason was mostly just lateral moves. This year they kind of got caught with their dick in their hands. That happens. Bautista would help salvage things but it's hardly a foregone conclusion. I doubt that they are going to make a 25 million offer like Cameron says. I think Bautista takes that in a heartbeat now. More likely the Jays are trying to reach a compromise at a lower cost. Another team could still shark its way into the picture and leave the Jays scrambling again.

[Terminator]

There's no way the Jays wanted to be in this position. They like to have contingencies in place. When EE turned them down, they made a push for Fowler instead. They must have felt that had a real shot and this is was better to go hard after him than hope EE came back to them. A reasonable decision to make at the time since it does seem like they go real close with Fowler but off-seasons are tricky. Last year everything fell into place pretty easily. They got the pitchers they needed early and the rest of the offseason was mostly just lateral moves. This year they kind of got caught with their dick in their hands. That happens. Bautista would help salvage things but it's hardly a foregone conclusion. I doubt that they are going to make a 25 million offer like Cameron says. I think Bautista takes that in a heartbeat now. More likely the Jays are trying to reach a compromise at a lower cost. Another team could still shark its way into the picture and leave the Jays scrambling again.

 

Yeah I agree, the offseason hasn't been ideal at all and I've been saying that for a while. It's now January and Upton, Smoak, and Zeke are slated for major playing time. That's not good. This team was a clear WC contender heading in to the offseason but we've kind of whiffed so far this offseason so now I'm not sure. Like you said, things can not work out the way you hope as I agree with you on the whole Fowler/EE thing. Just unfortunate how that worked out.

 

Cameron's take is that if we sign Bautista to a one year deal then the offseason won't be so bad. It wouldn't be horrible but my point was that's an awful lot riding on what remains the best FA left. Someone could decide that they aren't finding any trades and they make Bautista a competitive two year deal and we lose him.

[Brownie19]

Can someone explain the difference between "Pitch Type" and "Pitch f/x Pitch Type" on fangraphs? I assume it's just 2 different ways of recording the pitch type? I was just looking in on Jerry Blevins again (as I as going to point how a sign Jose & Blevins + trade for Dyson would be a nice way to finish the offseason) and I see under "Pitch Type" it says he only throws a fastball, curveball and change - but under "Pitch f/x Pitch Type" it suggests he throws a slider 10% of the time.

 

I see the slider velocity is only a couple MPH lower than his fastball - is it just getting grouped in with his fastball on "Pitch Type"?

Edited January 3, 2017 by Brownie19

[puphood]

I can see someone offering 2 years or more for JB so the Jays will loose out again. And realistically he can hold out till some DH ends on the DL this spring. JB expectations are bigger than a one year deal. In reality a one year deal is only of benefit to the Jays.......

[glory]

They might sign Jose to a deal for the QO, or maybe something like 2/35, but $20-25mm for one year? No way that happens.

[BigCecil]

They might sign Jose to a deal for the QO, or maybe something like 2/35, but $20-25mm for one year? No way that happens.

 

This off season has been really tough for a few reasons. What do they value the pick they would get for Jose at? 8-10mm? Got to be a big factor with this FO in the negotiation. But the way things have worked out with Fowler and Edwin Id love to see Jose's bat back here.

[P2F]

Can someone explain the difference between "Pitch Type" and "Pitch f/x Pitch Type" on fangraphs? I assume it's just 2 different ways of recording the pitch type? I was just looking in on Jerry Blevins again (as I as going to point how a sign Jose & Blevins + trade for Dyson would be a nice way to finish the offseason) and I see under "Pitch Type" it says he only throws a fastball, curveball and change - but under "Pitch f/x Pitch Type" it suggests he throws a slider 10% of the time.

 

I see the slider velocity is only a couple MPH lower than his fastball - is it just getting grouped in with his fastball on "Pitch Type"?

"FanGraphs has Pitch Values based on Baseball Info Solutions pitch type data and PITCHf/x pitch type data. The calculations are the same, but they draw on different pitch classification protocols."

 

Essentially, they are two different systems, hence some of the discrepancies in the data. I've always looked at both to try to get the best possible feel for each player's pitch value.

 

It's not uncommon for some pitches to get incorrectly classified for a multitude of different reasons, so, despite its usefulness and value, it's probably best not to take this data as gospel.

[THANOS]

This off season has been really tough for a few reasons. What do they value the pick they would get for Jose at? 8-10mm? Got to be a big factor with this FO in the negotiation. But the way things have worked out with Fowler and Edwin Id love to see Jose's bat back here.

 

I agree. I would also suggest that a qualitative value should be placed on the knowledge and tips he likely provides to the other hitters in the dugout. I know Josh Donaldson has commented on this before. The walk rate spike this past season "could" have been some evidence of that, along Donaldson just being super f***ing good and improving on his own.

[glory]

Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

 

So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.

[TBJ12]

Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

 

So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.

 

I wasn't aware the current regime had a problem with Boras.

[Sammy225]

I wasn't aware the current regime had a problem with Boras.

 

Nope just the Beest

[glory]

I wasn't aware the current regime had a problem with Boras.

 

They don't (only Beeston did) but Boras guys very rarely sign extensions. Half joking about him being traded but if the Jays decide to take a step back in the next year or two, then he becomes a logical guy to move.

[Rusty_Savage]

I don't think this FO was going to sign a guy to an extension with 4 years of control left, anyway

[Jimcanuck]

Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

 

So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.

 

His value likely will never be higher than right now. He's also a real risk for TJS. If he was to be traded for a big haul, fine by me.

[Ultimate]

Carrera is 100% making the 25 man if Gibbons has any say in it.

 

And even if he doesn't, Carrera has shown he can be a 4th outfielder and his salary is low - that's the kind of security this front office seems to covet.

 

Even though it wouldn't take much for Pompey to be better, his floor is never making it in the majors.

 

How do you see Carerra fitting on the roster? If we have a 7 man bullpen and 4 man bench that leaves room for only a 4th outfielder (or if there is a 5th OF Pearce is that guy). And logic would seem to indicate that Upton will be needed as the fourth outfielder as at least one of our corner outfielders will require a platoon partner in Upton.

 

Only way I see Carerra on the roster is if he is a starter or if Upton is somehow a starter.

[Terminator]

Only way I see Carerra on the roster is if he is a starter or if Upton is somehow a starter.

 

Well both are starters right now.

[burlingtonbandit]

Sanchez is apparently a Scott Boras client now.

 

So, how soon does he get traded? He definitely won't be signing an extension.

 

Isn't he with Legacy? Same as Stroman