Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Terminator]

Unless you play Pearce in the OF vs RHP but thats a pretty big risk there too given his injury history + that would mean Smoak everyday. Reminds me of going into 2014 with Goins at 2nd base.

 

Oh I hear you. Our corner OF is a joke right now, should be relatively easy to add 4 wins to the team with a couple of moves. I'm worried they'll only make one though and that Smoak will get a lot of AB's in a platoon.

[King]

Oh I hear you. Our corner OF is a joke right now, should be relatively easy to add 4 wins to the team with a couple of moves. I'm worried they'll only make one though and that Smoak will get a lot of AB's in a platoon.

 

The team projects to win 82 games with sub 1 fWAR contributions from both corner OF spots and no backup catcher. Hopefully they can upgrade those spots and add a reliever or two to take the team to an 85-86 win projection.

[burlingtonbandit]

Oh I hear you. Our corner OF is a joke right now, should be relatively easy to add 4 wins to the team with a couple of moves. I'm worried they'll only make one though and that Smoak will get a lot of AB's in a platoon.

 

Moss seems like a perfect fit to platoon with Upton. But even if he is your only signing you would need to sign another platoon OF or RH 1st Baseman so Smoak isn't hitting vs LHP. If you get Saunders I guess you could play him everyday but there's a lot of injury risk on the roster with not much depth.

 

It is frustrating because of how good the core is.

[Terminator]

The team projects to win 82 games with sub 1 fWAR contributions from both corner OF spots and no backup catcher. Hopefully they can upgrade those spots and add a reliever or two to take the team to an 85-86 win projection.

 

I'd prefer to be higher than 85-86. This team easily could have been in the 88 range.

 

Also, your proposal of possibly adding an OF, signing a backup C, and signing a couple of relievers might not even get us to 85. This team needs some significant moves which they can still do.

[burlingtonbandit]

The team projects to win 82 games with sub 1 fWAR contributions from both corner OF spots and no backup catcher. Hopefully they can upgrade those spots and add a reliever or two to take the team to an 85-86 win projection.

 

I think thats a good scenario. Perhaps you can add a win from the Sports Science dept over the course of a season too with injury prevention, sleep etc..

 

I'll take my chances of a playoff spot with 2 teams making it out of NYY, TEX, DET and TOR.

[Terminator]

Moss seems like a perfect fit to platoon with Upton. But even if he is your only signing you would need to sign another platoon OF or RH 1st Baseman so Smoak isn't hitting vs LHP. If you get Saunders I guess you could play him everyday but there's a lot of injury risk on the roster with not much depth.

 

It is frustrating because of how good the core is.

 

Saunders probably isn't any worse than Moss. He's more risk-reward though IMO. We could really use him or Moss. I'd probably prefer Saunders.

[intentional wok]

I think thats a good scenario. Perhaps you can add a win from the Sports Science dept over the course of a season too with injury prevention, sleep etc..

 

I'll take my chances of a playoff spot with 2 teams making it out of NYY, TEX, DET and TOR.

 

Don't count out Seattle either, IMO. I'd say reasonable to see them as around the same talent level as the Jays overall. I think I'd put them over New York too.

[burlingtonbandit]

Saunders probably isn't any worse than Moss. He's more risk-reward though IMO. We could really use him or Moss. I'd probably prefer Saunders.

 

It'd be nice to get both. I think Moss would be better vs RHP taking defense into consideration as well but Saunders can be a lot better vs LHP than Moss.

[burlingtonbandit]

Don't count out Seattle either, IMO.

 

Yeah forgot about them. Looking at the projections LAA is up there too but I can't see them being that good.

[Terminator]

It'd be nice to get both. I think Moss would be better vs RHP taking defense into consideration as well but Saunders can be a lot better vs LHP than Moss.

 

Honestly, both isn't good enough. We are a .500 team right now. We need to add at least 5 wins, preferably more.

[King]

I'd prefer to be higher than 85-86. This team easily could have been in the 88 range.

 

Also, your proposal of possibly adding an OF, signing a backup C, and signing a couple of relievers might not even get us to 85. This team needs some significant moves which they can still do.

 

What would have been your easy path to 88 wins? Re-sign Bautista, EE, sign Fowler, reddick

[Grant77]

Honestly, both isn't good enough. We are a .500 team right now. We need to add at least 5 wins, preferably more.

 

ZIPS projects us at closer to 90 wins than 81.

[RealAccountant]

Upton is probably good enough to play everyday if someone else goes down but going into the season with him starting is pretty gross

 

Lol good enough to play everyday

[RealAccountant]

ZIPS projects us at closer to 90 wins than 81.

 

I think you are looking at Zips with Edwin and Bautista

[Terminator]

What would have been your easy path to 88 wins? Re-sign Bautista, EE, sign Fowler, reddick

 

Easy was the wrong word. I used it because we had replacement level players at 4 positions (corner OF , 1B and DH) so in theory just resigning Edwin and adding a combination of 4-5 WAR for the other 3 spots would pretty much get us there.

[jaysblue]

They need to bring back Bautista to rotate between 1B/LF/DH with Pearce and Morales. Losing EE the way they did definitely doesn't sit well with the casual fans. At least if they bring back Bautista, that might ease some things from a PR perspective. Plus Bautista's bat would be a great help for this lineup right now if he returns to his pre-2016 level which is definitely possible if he's healthy.

[Abomination]

Peter O'Brien was designated. I wouldn't mind signing him as the backup C, who in an emergency could probably play a few innings in the OF. He's apparently not great behind the plate, but he's also being jerked around a bunch position wise. Maybe some time with Martin would improve his catching skills. If it didn't work out, you can always try to trade for a backup catcher later.

[Abomination]

I wouldn't mind us working out a similar extension to the Inciarte one with Pillar. They seem like pretty good comps.

[Laika]

Peter O'Brien was designated. I wouldn't mind signing him as the backup C, who in an emergency could probably play a few innings in the OF. He's apparently not great behind the plate, but he's also being jerked around a bunch position wise. Maybe some time with Martin would improve his catching skills. If it didn't work out, you can always try to trade for a backup catcher later.

 

Yuck, I don't think he's even regarded as a catcher.

[King]

Peter O'Brien was designated. I wouldn't mind signing him as the backup C, who in an emergency could probably play a few innings in the OF. He's apparently not great behind the plate, but he's also being jerked around a bunch position wise. Maybe some time with Martin would improve his catching skills. If it didn't work out, you can always try to trade for a backup catcher later.

Classic abom guy

[John_Havok]

Yuck, I don't think he's even regarded as a catcher.

 

AJ jiminez looks like the backup by default right now

[burlingtonbandit]

ZIPS projects us at closer to 90 wins than 81.

 

 

I think you are looking at Zips with Edwin and Bautista

 

 

Lmao

[Ray]

[Bobthe4th]

 

If this is true we have to get it done. He can play OF for one year without tanking his value too much.

 

All the available superior fielders are likely significant worse with the bat next year.

 

We've secured a comp pick from EE signing with Cleveland so giving up a hypothetical second comp pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.

[george09]

If this is true we have to get it done. He can play OF for one year without tanking his value too much.

 

All the available superior fielders are likely significant worse with the bat next year.

 

We've secured a comp pick from EE signing with Cleveland so giving up a hypothetical second comp pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.

 

 

Play OF for another year full time and risk him getting injured again? People underestimate his decline in RF, it's not like it is going to get better this year. He is an absolute liability out there, Bautista is a DH/1B now.

 

 

But Gibby will probably start him out in RF everyday anyways if we sign him.

[Bobthe4th]

Play OF for another year full time and risk him getting injured again? People underestimate his decline in RF, it's not like it is going to get better this year. He is an absolute liability out there, Bautista is a DH/1B now.

 

 

But Gibby will probably start him out in RF everyday anyways if we sign him.

 

Ideally yes, but realistically no. For a one year commitment it's worth the risk IMO compared to the alternatives.

[Bobthe4th]

No one is giving Bautista a $18-20m one year deal to play 1B/DH.

[george09]

No one is giving Bautista a $18-20m one year deal to play 1B/DH.

 

I could totally see a team paying $17-17.5 one year deal to play DH/1B.

 

 

edit: nvm according to passan's article he wants more then the QO for 1 year.

[Bobthe4th]

I could totally see a team paying $17-17.5 one year deal to play DH/1B.

 

 

edit: nvm according to passan's article he wants more then the QO for 1 year.

 

And don't forget there's a pick attached too - if it wasn't us signing him for 1B/DH the signing team would want a longer deal to offset the value of the pick. But we don't want him on a longer deal as 1B/DH is already filled.

 

As you rightly say, JB isn't a good OF but a one year risk is manageable, not a longer deal though for us.

[Spanky99]

If this is true we have to get it done. He can play OF for one year without tanking his value too much.

 

All the available superior fielders are likely significant worse with the bat next year.

 

We've secured a comp pick from EE signing with Cleveland so giving up a hypothetical second comp pick shouldn't be a deal breaker.

 

Agreed.