Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Pendleton]

Nevermind - mods took care of it.

[ChrisS]

Well if you were in their shoes I think you would have expected a little more desire from Jays front office. They offered a reasonable deal but Shapiro knew EE wouldn't take it without listening to other teams. No one in FA does that. I don't want to say it was a token offer, but it was almost a token offer.

 

It's not to say that our front office is wrong in the way they handled it but you could see how an agent would be disappointed or whatever.

 

The FO did nothing wrong imo. They gave him a fair contract and a timeline. Him and his agent gambled but ended up misjudging both the changing market and our FO willingness to move on and sign someone else quickly.

 

His agent can go take a hike. To think that if EE signed for 80mill the agent would be taking ~3.2mill is a joke. Worse than lawyers.

[CHRIS]

Well if you were in their shoes I think you would have expected a little more desire from Jays front office. They offered a reasonable deal but Shapiro knew EE wouldn't take it without listening to other teams. No one in FA does that. I don't want to say it was a token offer, but it was almost a token offer.

 

It's not to say that our front office is wrong in the way they handled it but you could see how an agent would be disappointed or whatever.

 

I really don't see why an agent should ever be "disappointed" by any front office behaviour.

 

The whole point of an agent is to take feeling/sentiment/emotion out of the equation and make business decisions based on their interpretation of market conditions to get the most money for their player.

 

To date, it seems like Kinzer miscalculated Edwin's market, and turned down what may be the best offer he'll see. If that's the case, his agent should own his error and stop playing the how-were-we-know-they-would-move-on-so-fast card. It's his job to know. Like, his only job.

[Governator]

So the Blue Jays are more likely to part ways with both Bautista and Encarnacion..

 

I'm wondering what Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins is trying to do..

 

If he is trying to rebuild this team, I think he is on a wrong track.

We made it to the postseason for two straight seasons..

That means we should continue to be a contender until we are able to do.

 

I think the management's decision for not signing David Price was a good decision..

Although he contributed a lot to the Blue Jays to make a playoff run in 2015, we all knew he will sign with big clubs (Yanks, BoSox, etc)

 

However, Bautista and Encarnacion has been our core player for years.. and we would not had won the Wild Card game without those two..

I can't imagine what will happen to this team without those two core players.

 

Do you think the management is going on a path to rebuild this team from 2017 season?

 

 

This is not a rebuild... that would require trading our aging players for young talent. They are filling holes, Pearce is a great signing for this team. He's versatile and has a lethal bat and can put up a lot of value quickly.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

EE is way too lovable to hate. So instead we hate his agent and call him a greedy ******* because as fans we have to blame someone.

 

Yup all agents are crooks, buy a house and see! Just like baseball they over value their clients house and sometimes the location where it's located!

[glory]

Jays offer to Fowler was around 4/60 according to Heyman. Fowler wants $18m a year. How high will the Jays go?

[Governator]

Jays offer to Fowler was around 4/60 according to Heyman. Fowler wants $18m a year. How high will the Jays go?

 

Wow I didn't know they made him an offer

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

This reminds me of Shark Tank. Guys always want to hear what other teams have to offer before deciding but sometimes the deals vanish if not taken right away

 

Just to Canadinize that for ya.... It's the Dragon Den! Lol

[Abomination]

I agree, it was the perfect offer from the Jays FO to be able to move on while coming out of it looking good. I don't want to say it was a low ball offer but it was a deal that Edwin probably expected from several teams as a starting point in negotiations. Jays were never going to a bidding war with another team and at the same time I can't blame them for moving on.

 

I'd say it was his agent being overly optimistic. Edwin is viewed by a lot of people as a DH (he's been part time 1B the last few years, but it's easy to see an NL team being hesitant on running him out there full time). Papi (on short term deals, and he was older) topped out at 16M for a single season. 20M per for four years, plus the pick, probably wasn't going to be beat by much if at all.

[Governator]

I'd say it was his agent being overly optimistic. Edwin is viewed by a lot of people as a DH (he's been part time 1B the last few years, but it's easy to see an NL team being hesitant on running him out there full time). Papi (on short term deals, and he was older) topped out at 16M for a single season. 20M per for four years, plus the pick, probably wasn't going to be beat by much if at all.

 

I say he'll still get it. Rangers could offer him 4 for $75 and with no state tax he'd still make more money than he would have from the Jays.

[ChrisS]

So the Blue Jays are more likely to part ways with both Bautista and Encarnacion..

 

I'm wondering what Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins is trying to do..

 

If he is trying to rebuild this team, I think he is on a wrong track.

We made it to the postseason for two straight seasons..

That means we should continue to be a contender until we are able to do.

 

I think the management's decision for not signing David Price was a good decision..

Although he contributed a lot to the Blue Jays to make a playoff run in 2015, we all knew he will sign with big clubs (Yanks, BoSox, etc)

 

However, Bautista and Encarnacion has been our core player for years.. and we would not had won the Wild Card game without those two..

I can't imagine what will happen to this team without those two core players.

 

Do you think the management is going on a path to rebuild this team from 2017 season?

 

All good things must come to an end unfortunately. Do you really want to pay EE 5/110 and Jose 5/100? (thats likely what they want). The FO doesnt want to commit to long term deals for aging players.

[Angrioter]

[Abomination]

Jays offer to Fowler was around 4/60 according to Heyman. Fowler wants $18m a year. How high will the Jays go?

 

If push came to shove, I'd probably be okay with going to 18M per. He really is the perfect fit for us. I'd be a lot happier about it at 16M per though.

[itaos]

Jays offer to Fowler was around 4/60 according to Heyman. Fowler wants $18m a year. How high will the Jays go?

 

I can't find the actual offer on twitter, were the numbers reported on radio/TV?

[CHRIS]

I don't think Kinzer is lamenting the financials.

 

I think that's exactly what he's lamenting, albeit behind the crocodile tears of Edwin not being able to go back to Toronto.

 

I like Edwin and I really do hope that he gets a great deal.

[Grant77]

Jays offer to Fowler was around 4/60 according to Heyman. Fowler wants $18m a year. How high will the Jays go?

 

That's the absolute maximum I would give him. We'd be smarter to explore short term options in my opinion.

[ChrisS]

If push came to shove, I'd probably be okay with going to 18M per. He really is the perfect fit for us. I'd be a lot happier about it at 16M per though.

 

If thats the case then they arent too far apart. Though it wouldnt suprise me if Fowler is using the Jays to leverage his position with a couple of teams that he truly wants to go to.

[glory]

Yeah I don't think Fowler is high on the Jays especially given he will have to move positions. Unless they overpay him, he's probably trying to leverage a better deal from another team.

[Daniel Labude]

So the Blue Jays are more likely to part ways with both Bautista and Encarnacion..

 

I'm wondering what Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins is trying to do..

 

If he is trying to rebuild this team, I think he is on a wrong track.

We made it to the postseason for two straight seasons..

That means we should continue to be a contender until we are able to do.

 

I think the management's decision for not signing David Price was a good decision..

Although he contributed a lot to the Blue Jays to make a playoff run in 2015, we all knew he will sign with big clubs (Yanks, BoSox, etc)

 

However, Bautista and Encarnacion has been our core player for years.. and we would not had won the Wild Card game without those two..

I can't imagine what will happen to this team without those two core players.

 

Do you think the management is going on a path to rebuild this team from 2017 season?

 

Could be the FO actually knows the talent we have in the minors and is trying to put together a contending team but not overpay...knowing the young stars in the minors will be up in 3 or so yrs. Plus adding 2-3 1st round picks this year should give the farm even more talent to either trade or make a difference down the road for us.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

That's the absolute maximum I would give him. We'd be smarter to explore short term options in my opinion.

 

Yup, I feel the same, Now if him and his camp wants to do 2 at 16 mill

Maybe! Plus he would Have the Qo removed as well next time too.

[jerb]

 

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Jays haven't absolutely been ruled out for Encarnacion, even after Pearce signing. Door open a crack. "Miracles do happen"

[Governator]

 

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Jays haven't absolutely been ruled out for Encarnacion, even after Pearce signing. Door open a crack. "Miracles do happen"

 

Did someone say "Miracles do happen" or is that just something he threw in?

[Jonn]

 

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Jays haven't absolutely been ruled out for Encarnacion, even after Pearce signing. Door open a crack. "Miracles do happen"

 

The dream lives!

[Stangstag]

I say he'll still get it. Rangers could offer him 4 for $75 and with no state tax he'd still make more money than he would have from the Jays.

 

80 million American works out to 106 million Canadian. That's a substantial difference. Edwin's agent f***ed up.

[ChrisS]

80 million American works out to 106 million Canadian. That's a substantial difference. Edwin's agent f***ed up.

???

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The dream lives!

 

But at what price?

[bzapple]

I'm just glad to see Heyman is in fact capable of using capitalization.

[Abomination]

80 million American works out to 106 million Canadian. That's a substantial difference. Edwin's agent f***ed up.

 

Bet you're gonna wish no one quoted this

[Stangstag]

Bet you're gonna wish no one quoted this

 

I'm trying to say that 80mil American and living in Canada is much better than 75mil American and living in America. You essentially have "more money" to spend on luxuries since you're buying things in Canadian money.

[z3r0s]

I'm trying to say that 80mil American and living in Canada is much better than 75mil American and living in America. You essentially have "more money" to spend on luxuries since you're buying things in Canadian money.

 

this only makes sense when the cost for items is the same in Canada and the US. Spoiler alert... they aren't