Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Laika]

I wonder if there is any chance that Bautista would take the QO.

 

I think there probably is at this point although if his market is that bad he's much more likely to negotiate one of the standard 2 or 3 year deals that we've seen old guys like Beltran sign for.

[Laika]

You've sold me on Holliday. How much better is he than simply resigning Bautista though? I guess it all depends on cost and the potential to get a draft pick from losing Bautista.

 

If anything Holliday is a slight downgrade in projected talent/WAR. It's an either/or situation.

[BTS]

You've sold me on Holliday. How much better is he than simply resigning Bautista though? I guess it all depends on cost and the potential to get a draft pick from losing Bautista.

 

Holliday at 1/12 + a pick seems like it would be more attractive to this FO than Bautista and no pick. Less money per year, no multi-year commitment, and fits with the organizational direction of remaining competitive in the present while continuing to accumulate assets for the future.

[Terminator]

Holliday at 1/12 + a pick seems like it would be more attractive to this FO than Bautista and no pick. Less money per year, no multi-year commitment, and fits with the organizational direction of remaining competitive in the present while continuing to accumulate assets for the future.

 

Yeah that would be a no-brainer. I wonder if Holliday is available for 1/12 though. When all is said and done Holliday and Bautista's contracts may end up closer than we think. But like you said, getting that pick is a nice bonus to take Holliday over Bautista.

[Olerud363]

If anything Holliday is a slight downgrade in projected talent/WAR. It's an either/or situation.

 

That would make sense. Holliday is 9 months older, and has had two down years in a row.

 

5 4 4 4 1 1 x1

3 3 6 4 1 x2

 

The question is - what is x1? what is x2? what does the market think x1 and x2 are??

[Terminator]

What does everyone think of Upton? Is he even worth considering in a platoon? Is he even a valid 4th OF?

[Olerud363]

What does everyone think of Upton? Is he even worth considering in a platoon? Is he even a valid 4th OF?

 

His career numbers against lefties are .250 .350 .400... is that good enough for a platoon??

[Brownie19]

What does everyone think of Upton? Is he even worth considering in a platoon? Is he even a valid 4th OF?

 

As pitiful as he was with the Jays, I do hold out some hope that he'll produce better next year when he's settled in and more comfortable in TO. He's a solid 3rd or 4th OFer who we can use in a platoon.

[BTS]

What does everyone think of Upton? Is he even worth considering in a platoon?

 

I think so. They're not going to be able to break the bank for RF, LF, 1B, and DH, so platooning Upton with someone like Joyce, Jay, or Aoki and squeezing what you can out of them for a total of <5M seems like an easy way to fill an OF spot.

[Terminator]

I think so. They're not going to be able to break the bank for RF, LF, 1B, and DH, so platooning Upton with someone like Joyce, Jay, or Aoki and squeezing what you can out of them for a total of <5M seems like an easy way to fill an OF spot.

 

If we wanted to save even more money we could platoon him with Pompey. Pompey's minor league splits suggest that he's better while batting left-handed.

[Abomination]

His career numbers against lefties are .250 .350 .400... is that good enough for a platoon??

 

Upton seems to struggle when he doesn't get regular at bats, which is a bit concerning. Aside from that though, he's a perfect fit. Career 109 wRC+ versus lefties, and can play average to plus defense, including CF. Pair him up with with a guy like Reddick and you're golden.

[Dr Negative]

Why has Upton been so bad recently anyway (and his brother as well for that matter)? Lost the bat speed?

[Brownie19]

Upton seems to struggle when he doesn't get regular at bats, which is a bit concerning. Aside from that though, he's a perfect fit. Career 109 wRC+ versus lefties, and can play average to plus defense, including CF. Pair him up with with a guy like Reddick and you're golden.

 

The issue with Reddick is you might have to pay him like a full-time player. I'm really curious to see what he's valued at around the league...if you could get him here at a reasonable cost - he's a really good fit if you're looking for some lefty balance and a guy who doesn't strikeout very much. His wRC+ vs. RHP over the past 3 years is:

 

2016 - 138

2015 - 130

2014 - 141

 

The only real downer is his defense has apparently fallen off dramatically over the past 2 years and his BsR value fall off hard this year....that may scare Shatkins away - especially if he's commanding 3-4 years at $15+ AAV (and perhaps rightfully so).

[Brownie19]

Why has Upton been so bad recently anyway (and his brother as well for that matter)? Lost the bat speed?

 

If you squint really hard - in SD over the past 2 partial years, Upton was looking much like the player he was in 2012 with the Rays (valuable 3 WAR player over a full season. wRC+ around 105 with plus BsR and defensive value). The issue is turned back into a pumpkin when he arrived in TO (like he did in ATL).

[Abomination]

The issue with Reddick is you might have to pay him like a full-time player. I'm really curious to see what he's valued at around the league...if you could get him here at a reasonable cost - he's a really good fit if you're looking for some lefty balance and a guy who doesn't strikeout very much. His wRC+ vs. RHP over the past 3 years is:

 

2016 - 138

2015 - 130

2014 - 141

 

The only real downer is his defense has apparently fallen off dramatically over the past 2 years and his BsR value fall off hard this year....that may scare Shatkins away - especially if he's commanding 3-4 years at $15+ AAV (and perhaps rightfully so).

 

I think Reddick will get about 17M per. I also think he's exactly the kind of player we need / want. We need to reduce the swing and miss, maybe not so much for the regular season, but the playoffs.

[jaysblue]

God do I ever want them to sign Holliday.

 

He was one of my favourite hitters back in 2006/2007 when I followed the Rockies extensively. He's more of a AVG/OBP type of player in contrast to just being all power which from the sounds of it is what this team wants to focus on. Plus I think him hitting in this ballpark, along with the DH factor makes so much sense from his perspective. I really hope Tulo can persuade him to sign here as a DH/1B. Probably could get him on a one-year deal + a club option.

[jaysblue]

Plus Toronto is a f***ing awesome place to live in the SUMMER.

 

It's too humid. It's perfect in May and late August/early-late September. June, July & August can be torture.

[saskjayfan]

He was one of my favourite hitters back in 2006/2007 when I followed the Rockies extensively. He's more of a AVG/OBP type of player in contrast to just being all power which from the sounds of it is what this team wants to focus on. Plus I think him hitting in this ballpark, along with the DH factor makes so much sense from his perspective. I really hope Tulo can persuade him to sign here as a DH/1B. Probably could get him on a one-year deal + a club option.

 

Problem is you're not signing the 2007 Matt holiday. He's a decade older. Eric Thames might be an interesting cheap gamble. I don't even know if he's a free agent, but if he is rolling the dice if the price is low enough might be fun

[jaysblue]

Problem is you're not signing the 2007 Matt holiday. He's a decade older. Eric Thames might be an interesting cheap gamble. I don't even know if he's a free agent, but if he is rolling the dice if the price is low enough might be fun

 

We've seen older players have success in the right situation on short term contracts: Vladdy with Texas in 2010, Beltran, V-Mart, etc. It wouldn't surprise me to see Holliday hit 25 HR's here as a DH.

[RealAccountant]

Why has Upton been so bad recently anyway (and his brother as well for that matter)? Lost the bat speed?

 

Hanging around with Smoak

[RealAccountant]

Thames >>>>> Smoak

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Does anyone think were going to trade any of our pitchers (Stroman,Osuna, Happ ect?)

 

 

Yelich would be so f***ing great, but he would cost way too much. His #'s are off the chart

 

 

4.4WAR, wRC+ 130, wRC 100

[RealAccountant]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Happ or Estrada traded. The market is horrible for starting pitchers but there is a positional talent.

[Terminator]

Does anyone think were going to trade any of our pitchers (Stroman,Osuna, Happ ect?)

 

It's a double-edged sword. If Biagini is in AAA stretching out, and that's still an if, we have the 5 in MLB and then Biagini and Bolsinger as the #6 and #7. That's a great 1-5 and an ok 6-7 but we've got jack s*** after that. You trade one and we have even less. There also is hardly anything in FA so it'd be even harder to replace a traded SP.

 

But on the flip side you could probably get a shitload in a trade for JA Happ right now. The market for pitchers is historically bleak. Happ at 2 years 26 million is BY FAR anything better that you could get on the FA market. Shatkins might be able to get a serious overpay for someone like him.

[Grant77]

It's a double-edged sword. If Biagini is in AAA stretching out, and that's still an if, we have the 5 in MLB and then Biagini and Bolsinger as the #6 and #7. That's a great 1-5 and an ok 6-7 but we've got jack s*** after that. You trade one and we have even less. There also is hardly anything in FA so it'd be even harder to replace a traded SP.

 

But on the flip side you could probably get a shitload in a trade for JA Happ right now. The market for pitchers is historically bleak. Happ at 2 years 26 million is BY FAR anything better that you could get on the FA market. Shatkins might be able to get a serious overpay for someone like him.

 

Don't write off Conner Greene as a depth option next year. He's right there with a little more consistency.

[jaysblue]

Does anyone think were going to trade any of our pitchers (Stroman,Osuna, Happ ect?)

 

 

Yelich would be so f***ing great, but he would cost way too much. His #'s are off the chart

 

 

4.4WAR, wRC+ 130, wRC 100

 

Yelich would easily cost Stroman + or Sanchez.

[THANOS]

That would be awesome. On the surface, the team seems to have a lot to offer him:

 

- he knows Tulo pretty well

- DH should extend his career

- we have no 1B, so he could easily start there a couple times a week if he wants

- good lineup featuring JD

- consecutive ALCS appearances

 

How does this sound?

 

RF - Fowler or Reddick

1B - Pearce or Thames

DH - Holliday

[agrushcow]

I like Pearce as a fit off the bench and in a platoon. We desperately need a bench bat and not just a bunch of bench gloves. Holliday is intriguing, I can get behind that. Reddick is a guy who's bandwagon I'm pretty firmly on if we don't go the trade route.

 

Adam Eaton was made available in the past, what kind of a package would he take? Assuming it would be centered around Stroman. He would just be such a great fit here.

[TheHurl]

I still think EE is signing here.

[THANOS]

Don't write off Conner Greene as a depth option next year. He's right there with a little more consistency.

 

Nah. That K/9 is horrendous for a player at his level. For as poor as Sanchez' control was in the minors he still had swing and miss stuff. Green needs A LOT of work.