ESPN ranks John Gibbons last among managers

[youngtea]

Insider only.

 

 

30. John Gibbons, Toronto Blue Jays (2004-2008, 2013-2016)

 

Career record: 618-588, minus-29 Pythagorean wins.

 

BIS 2016 Snapshot: He avoids the intentional walk, ranking fourth in the league in fewest issued. The Jays rank close to the bottom in platoon percentage on their lineup cards, but that's this year's talent; Gibbons has built good platoons before. He's also one of the guys most likely to use multiple relievers within an inning, as his pen men are last in the league in outs per outing.

 

Comment: Gibbons gets good marks as a manager of people as opposed to being a master tactician, which is great. A guy's record in one-run games is supposed to be a heads-or-tails proposition, but Gibbons comes out on the losing side of that claim with alarming regularity; the Blue Jays are 33 games under .500 in one-run games in his latest incarnation as the Jays' skipper. The Jays are also second-worst in MLB in replay challenges overturned, and that was already a problem for them and for Gibbons before this season. Put that together, and if you're a Blue Jays fan worrying about their chances in the postseason, you have reason.

[RealAccountant]

"the Blue Jays are 33 games under .500 in one-run games in his latest incarnation as the Jays' skipper."

 

No way, its way worse than that. I did the math a few weeks back, he is like 200-300 in 1 run games or something

 

horrible in game tactician.

[Thaddeus Malice]

Well the Jays have regularly underperformed their expected W/L record according to Pythag with Gibbons around.

 

In his 6 full seasons the Jays won 25 games less than you would have expected given their run differential so there might be something to that rank.

[Grant77]

Baseball America just had him as the third best manager, so that shows you how variable these rankings can be.

 

There are problems with Gibbons, but he keeps the team happy and on an even keel while being an average tactician. I'm satisfied with that.

[RealAccountant]

Baseball America just had him as the third best manager,

 

Those rankings were based on players and team person ell i believe

 

Gibbons is a great player manager with a good reputation. He sticks to his vets, gives guys a chance, listens to his players, believes in the baseball code, veterans manager.

 

so thats a poll more than it is a ranking.

[dineke]

judging managers by one run games seems dumb

[Jonn]

Sounds about right

[RealAccountant]

judging managers by one run games seems dumb

 

Yeah managers have no influence on the game whatsoever

 

just let chickens manage

 

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[admin]

Gibbons is terrible. He makes several mistakes anyone that's watched a season of baseball wouldn't make.

[King]

Gibbons is terrible. He makes several mistakes anyone that's watched a season of baseball wouldn't make.

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[admin]

Your PMs are full.

 

Cleared, thanks.

[Art Vandelay]

Yeah managers have no influence on the game whatsoever

 

just let chickens manage

 

Cakakaaakkkaakkaka

 

[Abomination]

I'd like to see Gibbons have a better replay challenge record, but he's not the one actually looking at the video. He also seems to waste one occasionally to stick up for his player when they're sure they're right.

 

As far as one run games go, I think that has more to do with our personnel. We have a lot of guys who take big swings, and when you're playing for a single run against high end relievers that may not be the best fit.

 

I think the only real issue is some of the weird lineups he posts on occasion.

[Lil Looper]

When did Shea Hillenbrand get a job at ESPN?

[RealAccountant]

The funny thing is Gibby used to get into fights with players all the time

 

A lot of you are too young to remember probably dont remember 2006-2008 lots of new fans. Those jays teams were damn good teams.

 

Especially the 06, go and look at some of the WAR numbers. Gibby mismanaged the f*** out of them. Got into fights regularly,

 

Not to mention he ran BJ Ryan's shoulder into the ground in 06

[GreekFatAss]

Where is Ned Yost ranked?

[JFD]

The funny thing is Gibby used to get into fights with players all the time

 

A lot of you are too young to remember probably dont remember 2006-2008 lots of new fans. Those jays teams were damn good teams.

 

Especially the 06, go and look at some of the WAR numbers. Gibby mismanaged the f*** out of them. Got into fights regularly,

 

Not to mention he ran BJ Ryan's shoulder into the ground in 06

 

That 2008 team was sooooooo bad. Worst offence I ever did see.

[CrackerJack]

who gives a f*** what his replay record is?

when has he not been granted a review because he had already used up his challenge?

would you rather have a manager with one of the lowest number of challenges in the game?

[intentional wok]

Perhaps the blistering offense keeps games so close that the only possible way to lose -- by a single run -- happens more frequently than for other teams.

 

It's possible other managers are better (or luckier) tacticians in close games, but there a few other plausible explanations here than Gibby just being worse than his peers. Maybe optimizing his offensive output by hitting JD second for so long added that extra run scoring likelihood to turn many two-run games into one-run games.

 

As for replay record -- that's dumb. It's so circumstantial and is he is at the mercy of not only the ump decisions but the eagle eyes of the TV team advising him.

[jaysfan2014]

John Farrell is the one who should be 30th, not Gibbons. Now that is a bad manager.. he runs players to the ground, ruined Tazawa, takes starters out too late, and frequently blows out the pen.. that Red Sox team is actually underperforming this year under his management.

 

Other horrible managers include Terry Collins, Ned Yost, Robin Ventura..

[jaysfan2014]

That 2008 team was sooooooo bad. Worst offence I ever did see.

 

Featuring Brad Wilkerson and Kevin Mench, a washed up Shannon Stewart, David Eckstein.. and little power. If they only had some power, at least makes the wild card.. though this was back when Boston was stacked and the Rays reached their only World Series they'll ever see in Tampa..

[Nafro]

ESPN ranked last among sports broadcasters.....

[jaysfan2014]

ESPN ranked last among sports broadcasters.....

 

Yeah.. they obviously picked Maddon as #1 manager, because the Cubs are stacked--though in reality, the Cubs are actually underperforming their record due to erraticness with their pen and Maddon's weird managing style. If Farrell's in the Top 10, this article should be ignored..

 

Showalter's probably near the top--he does a good job managing a team that should be bad, but always outperforms its record..

[Grant77]

Gibbons is terrible. He makes several mistakes anyone that's watched a season of baseball wouldn't make.

 

Fans of every single team say that about their manager, while also being completely ignorant of so many things.

 

These include injuries, player confidence, influence from players and management, advanced statistics that aren't public, and more.

[glory]

As the leader of the anti-Gibbons movement, I agree with that ranking, and I didn't even read the reasoning behind it.

[bones10]

Fans of every single team say that about their manager, while also being completely ignorant of so many things.

 

These include injuries, player confidence, influence from players and management, advanced statistics that aren't public, and more.

 

Gibbons is still s***

[admin]

Gibbons is still s***

 

This.

[Krylian]

John Farrell is the one who should be 30th, not Gibbons. Now that is a bad manager.. he runs players to the ground, ruined Tazawa, takes starters out too late, and frequently blows out the pen.. that Red Sox team is actually underperforming this year under his management.

 

Other horrible managers include Terry Collins, Ned Yost, Robin Ventura..

 

Not that I disagree, but if he took starters out earlier wouldn't that blow the pen out even more?

[Spoonovic]

I would take Gibby over Farrell any day of the week. Farrell made so many head scratching decisions it was frustrating. Remember when he stuck with Cordero is the closer?

[Grant77]

Not that I disagree, but if he took starters out earlier wouldn't that blow the pen out even more?

 

I don't know how anyone could look good with a staff as awful as Boston's. There have been more than a few guys on their roster that don't belong in the big leagues and the farm (pitching wise) is total crap.