Chapman to Yanks for prospects

[rydermike]

With what prospects?

 

Chapman for two accounting interns, a marketing intern, a mailroom attendant and a rookie secretary

[highhard2]

Chapman for two accounting interns, a marketing intern, a mailroom attendant and a rookie secretary

 

Nay,Urena,Smoral and Tepera.

[Boxcar]

Well that makes a lot more sense lol

 

Sorry, meant to write wouldn't but I got hit with the autocorrect. He said he would not trade Hoffman for Harper.

 

f*** you phone!

[Orgfiller]

"Cincinnati Reds closer Aroldis Chapman allegedly fired eight gunshots in the garage of his Miami-area home following an October argument with his girlfriend in which she told police he “choked” her and pushed her against a wall, according to police reports obtained by Yahoo Sports."

 

So, your ok with Chapman going out to his garage and firing off 8 rounds after a fight with his gf? Who in their right mind does something like that? I wouldn't be surprised if he's gulity of choking and pushing her as well.

 

I certainly wouldn't say he did nothing wrong here.

 

I already debated this in the thread about this same subject. I think his decision to fire bullets in his own garage was extremely stupid, but at the same time in the article which discussed the incident mentioned that the police saw no marks on the victim's neck and that she was uncooperative.

 

If more concrete evidence comes out saying that he did some terrible things to his gf then I agree that measures need to be taken, but right now I don't think it would be justified with the information available to us.

[Orgfiller]

And Cecil had a better K/BB than all 3 of them while putting up a better WHIP than Betances and Chapman. Osuna was also ahead of Betances and Chapman in terms of K/BB and WHIP and just behind Miller in both those categories. It's obviously a great BP but not that much better than what the Jays have.

 

Oh no...

[Boxcar]

I already debated this in the thread about this same subject. I think his decision to fire bullets in his own garage was extremely stupid, but at the same time in the article which discussed the incident mentioned that the police saw no marks on the victim's neck and that she was uncooperative.

 

If more concrete evidence comes out saying that he did some terrible things to his gf then I agree that measures need to be taken, but right now I don't think it would be justified with the information available to us.

 

From the info available, also seems like she instigated the whole thing. Should help Chapman's case a little bit.

[Orgfiller]

I get that we do have two pretty good back end relievers but the Yankees have 3 of the top 10 BP arms in baseball

 

Is top 10 even fair to those players? Haha

[Orgfiller]

From the info available, also seems like she instigated the whole thing. Should help Chapman's case a little bit.

 

You know us Mexicans, we have a flare for the dramatics.

[L54]

Is top 10 even fair to those players? Haha

 

Not really, but one could realistically argue one of them to be 6th best and tell me I'm wrong based on semantics. Consider it hedging against straw graspers, if you will.

[Cyborg]

This is kind of a weird deal. The Yankees get diminishing returns with Chapman since it takes away high leverage innings from Betances. They must be trading Miller for something stupid.

[TRM]

This is kind of a weird deal. The Yankees get diminishing returns with Chapman since it takes away high leverage innings from Betances. They must be trading Miller for something stupid.

 

Stupid good, or stupid unwise?

[Spanky99]

This is kind of a weird deal. The Yankees get diminishing returns with Chapman since it takes away high leverage innings from Betances. They must be trading Miller for something stupid.

 

They said they weren't last night, but that doesn't mean anything.

[Cyborg]

Stupid good, or stupid unwise?

 

Stupid good. Miller shouldn't even have any trade value due to his contract.

[Spanky99]

Stupid good, or stupid unwise?

 

I'd believe the former...

[GD]

classic DDG ITT

 

Wonder if Betances could be having arm problems or something, cause yeah, Miller's contract isn't a net positive significantly.

[saskjayfan]

Is top 10 even fair to those players? Haha

 

I'm not going to say Cecil and Osuna are in the same category as the big 3 in New York, but Cecil at least is on the periphery of that category. Osuna is quite a ways off.

 

Cecil had a pretty amazing season. He gave up 3 runs in his first blown season of the year in a game where the temp was 3 degrees and the wind was blowing 25 mph. Those aren't ideal conditions for a reliever who relies on his curveball. He then got the closer position pulled from him and worked to get it back and had an awful June as there were big stretches where he just didn't get any work.

 

In the second half though Cecil was unbelievable. He gave up 0 runs in 29 1/3 innings with 40 strikeouts and 1...yes one walk. That is insane. Cecil's swing and miss percentage has always been up among the best in the game as a reliever, but he's never been able to limit the walks. He's improved every year as a reliever. If he can further limit the walk rate next year there's no reason he isn't a top 10 reliever in the league and just a bit behind where the best in the game are.

 

When you say Brett Cecil I doubt most baseball announcers would guess he had a 11.6K/9(15% swst%) last year and 12.8K/9(16.7% swst%) the year before.

 

Cecil is very under rated imo and far and away our best reliever.

[L54]

I don't think anyone would argue any of that.

[reedjohnsonfan]

On the plus side we get to see Chapman vs Donaldson/Bautista/EE. Really elite fastball hitters there.

[theweave]

Hi all!

 

I am a newbie on this forum, but a huge fan of the Jay for years. I just wanted to weigh in on this, mainly because I can't fathom the replies that I am reading.

 

For one, to say that Chapman will not be suspended because the Yankees have him is just umm not true. It should not matter which team has him. It won't matter which team has him.

 

Two, for those who say he should not be suspended because no charges were laid and these are allegations, I have seen a lot of people (myself included) in the real world, lose their job because of allegations. If this were not the case in MLB, why have the policy in the first place.

 

Three, even if there are no charges, if MLB does not investigate it and if action is warrranted, suspend him, what message does that send to their female fan base? You better believe that will be a consideration. Maybe the NFL could care less because there are less female fans there than males, but MLB sure will.

 

Four, the criminal investigation is not over now. The prosecutor and DA are now looking into the matter and can bring charges regardless of what the police did. I do not profess to know USA criminal law (and never will!) however if this occurred in Canada, I know it would not be swept under the rug. I can think of the following:

 

1. Careless use of a firearm

2. Careless storage of a firearm

3. Assault with a firearm

 

These are all Criminal Code charges that he could face if he did this in Canada. He would probably get around 5-10 years in prison, as some of these are at minimum 3 years (even for an athlete!)

 

Regardless, even if he is charged in the USA eventually, that can definitely affect his ability to cross the border into Canada. If he is convicted, chances are he will never be allowed to enter Canada. Therefore, 2 things can be noted: 1) If he is a Yankee, he won't be going on Toronto road trips and 2) This would be a huge reason why the Jays would not try and get him.

 

I get that he is a good, hard throwing, pitcher. However, someone who is accused of this and goes and just fires his gun randomly in his garage (with one bullet going through the window, which could have killed someone once it passed through the window) is not exactly a "stand up citizen". I am one person, at least here, that hopes that MLB throws the book at him and hopes he faces justice in a court of law and if found guilty, gets a long prison sentence, not a slap on the wrist because of who he is.

 

This is about more than baseball, this is a person's conduct and the safety of others.

[L54]

For one, to say that Chapman will not be suspended because the Yankees have him is just umm not true. It should not matter which team has him. It won't matter which team has him.

 

This was me and it was tongue in cheek.

[Boxcar]

Hi all!

 

I am a newbie on this forum, but a huge fan of the Jay for years. I just wanted to weigh in on this, mainly because I can't fathom the replies that I am reading.

 

For one, to say that Chapman will not be suspended because the Yankees have him is just umm not true. It should not matter which team has him. It won't matter which team has him.

 

Two, for those who say he should not be suspended because no charges were laid and these are allegations, I have seen a lot of people (myself included) in the real world, lose their job because of allegations. If this were not the case in MLB, why have the policy in the first place.

 

Three, even if there are no charges, if MLB does not investigate it and if action is warrranted, suspend him, what message does that send to their female fan base? You better believe that will be a consideration. Maybe the NFL could care less because there are less female fans there than males, but MLB sure will.

 

Four, the criminal investigation is not over now. The prosecutor and DA are now looking into the matter and can bring charges regardless of what the police did. I do not profess to know USA criminal law (and never will!) however if this occurred in Canada, I know it would not be swept under the rug. I can think of the following:

 

1. Careless use of a firearm

2. Careless storage of a firearm

3. Assault with a firearm

 

These are all Criminal Code charges that he could face if he did this in Canada. He would probably get around 5-10 years in prison, as some of these are at minimum 3 years (even for an athlete!)

 

Regardless, even if he is charged in the USA eventually, that can definitely affect his ability to cross the border into Canada. If he is convicted, chances are he will never be allowed to enter Canada. Therefore, 2 things can be noted: 1) If he is a Yankee, he won't be going on Toronto road trips and 2) This would be a huge reason why the Jays would not try and get him.

 

I get that he is a good, hard throwing, pitcher. However, someone who is accused of this and goes and just fires his gun randomly in his garage (with one bullet going through the window, which could have killed someone once it passed through the window) is not exactly a "stand up citizen". I am one person, at least here, that hopes that MLB throws the book at him and hopes he faces justice in a court of law and if found guilty, gets a long prison sentence, not a slap on the wrist because of who he is.

 

This is about more than baseball, this is a person's conduct and the safety of others.

 

Should his gf also go to jail for initiating the conflict?

[TheHurl]

Should his gf also go to jail for initiating the conflict?

 

how hard does she throw? Who is her agent?

[theweave]

Should his gf also go to jail for initiating the conflict?

 

If it turns out that she struck him, then yes I would say so. If it were just verbal to initiate the conflict then no. I think domestic violence is domestic violence, no matter what sex you are.

[Boxcar]

If it turns out that she struck him, then yes I would say so. If it were just verbal to initiate the conflict then no. I think domestic violence is domestic violence, no matter what sex you are.

 

My issue is that the facts of this case do not indicate domestic abuse and yet you seem keen on Chapman "getting the book thrown at him."

 

Why? To prove a point? He said she attacked him, she said otherwise. Why automatically assume his guilt when there's nothing even close to concrete?

[Gorlak]

My issue is that the facts of this case do not indicate domestic abuse and yet you seem keen on Chapman "getting the book thrown at him."

 

Why? To prove a point? He said she attacked him, she said otherwise. Why automatically assume his guilt when there's nothing even close to concrete?

 

Chapman is not the good guy in the story, may not be the villain, but not definitely not the good guy. His only punishment will come from MLB so the situation will be chill, deservedly or not. MLB doesn't want to mess with his free agency so he will not be made an example of, could see Reyes getting a worse punishment.

[theweave]

My issue is that the facts of this case do not indicate domestic abuse and yet you seem keen on Chapman "getting the book thrown at him."

 

Why? To prove a point? He said she attacked him, she said otherwise. Why automatically assume his guilt when there's nothing even close to concrete?

 

My concern is more with the gun issue and not the he/she said part of it. Chapman admitted to that.

 

How long until his FA should not matter either. Again that is showing preferential treatment to him. Suspension has to be based on what happened, not who he is.

[Jimcanuck]

My issue is that the facts of this case do not indicate domestic abuse and yet you seem keen on Chapman "getting the book thrown at him."

 

Why? To prove a point? He said she attacked him, she said otherwise. Why automatically assume his guilt when there's nothing even close to concrete?

 

you should read his post again

[Grant77]

Hi all!

 

I am a newbie on this forum, but a huge fan of the Jay for years. I just wanted to weigh in on this, mainly because I can't fathom the replies that I am reading.

 

For one, to say that Chapman will not be suspended because the Yankees have him is just umm not true. It should not matter which team has him. It won't matter which team has him.

 

Two, for those who say he should not be suspended because no charges were laid and these are allegations, I have seen a lot of people (myself included) in the real world, lose their job because of allegations. If this were not the case in MLB, why have the policy in the first place.

 

Three, even if there are no charges, if MLB does not investigate it and if action is warrranted, suspend him, what message does that send to their female fan base? You better believe that will be a consideration. Maybe the NFL could care less because there are less female fans there than males, but MLB sure will.

 

Four, the criminal investigation is not over now. The prosecutor and DA are now looking into the matter and can bring charges regardless of what the police did. I do not profess to know USA criminal law (and never will!) however if this occurred in Canada, I know it would not be swept under the rug. I can think of the following:

 

1. Careless use of a firearm

2. Careless storage of a firearm

3. Assault with a firearm

 

These are all Criminal Code charges that he could face if he did this in Canada. He would probably get around 5-10 years in prison, as some of these are at minimum 3 years (even for an athlete!)

 

Regardless, even if he is charged in the USA eventually, that can definitely affect his ability to cross the border into Canada. If he is convicted, chances are he will never be allowed to enter Canada. Therefore, 2 things can be noted: 1) If he is a Yankee, he won't be going on Toronto road trips and 2) This would be a huge reason why the Jays would not try and get him.

 

I get that he is a good, hard throwing, pitcher. However, someone who is accused of this and goes and just fires his gun randomly in his garage (with one bullet going through the window, which could have killed someone once it passed through the window) is not exactly a "stand up citizen". I am one person, at least here, that hopes that MLB throws the book at him and hopes he faces justice in a court of law and if found guilty, gets a long prison sentence, not a slap on the wrist because of who he is.

 

This is about more than baseball, this is a person's conduct and the safety of others.

 

I know this will never happen, but it's just my opinion:

 

You say this about more than baseball, but it's not. Major League Baseball's role is to provide the consumer with entertainment. The criminal justice system's role is determine guilt and punish accordingly, based on the morals of the populous. We all have our complaints about each, but they are both the best at what they do.

 

If you don't think that players are punished appropriately then there are political tools at your disposal to ensure that this changes. It's a testament to the stupidity of our society that we demand of sports leagues what we don't demand of politicians. I heard next to nothing about domestic violence in both the Canadian and American electoral campaigns in terms of public concerns and that is sad.

[Dr. Dinger]

Should his gf also go to jail for initiating the conflict?

 

Did she make him discharge a firearm repeatedly? Kinda seems like he could easily have walked away from the situation, but instead chose to escalate the violence and put lives in jeopardy.

[Boxcar]

Did she make him discharge a firearm repeatedly? Kinda seems like he could easily have walked away from the situation, but instead chose to escalate the violence and put lives in jeopardy.

 

What's better: him knocking her out in a fit of rage, or taking his frustrations out by shooting at a wall?

 

No brainer for me. Obviously not what I'd do and still pretty insane imo, but clearly the lesser evil. He had no intent to harm anyone and I guess this is his version of screaming in a pillow.

 

If they give Chapman a long suspension based on nothing, are they willing to draw out the process like they did with A-Rod? Do they want to cause a stink with the union right before they work on a new CBA?

 

I just don't see the justification. Reyes, for sure, he definitely hit his wife and they would definitely want to make a statement there. Just don't think it makes sense with Chapman.