Diamondbacks sign Zack Greinke to record AAV

[Travis_Snider]

the f***

[nmrch]

I for one am pretty ok with the Jays not offering up these outrageous contracts to any FA's.

 

They're not at all outrageous if you understand how much baseball revenues have exploded in the last couple of years. The growth has been even greater than the cable deal boom we saw starting around 2008. And the players share of the pie is actually smaller than it is on other leagues, even Football i believe.

[closetjaysfan]

Arizona's tax rate is about 1/4 of California ~4% vs. ~13%

[Jayzfan79]

average of 34 starts a year and he is making 1 Million per game started over 6 seasons.

 

he is the Jennifer Aniston of the MLB

[Jimcanuck]

the value of pitching prospects just went up

[BTS]

the value of pitching prospects just went up

 

Do we have any of those?

[Krylian]

Do we have any of those?

 

We need to develop guys like Thor, Norris, and Hoffman. That's the key.

[Jimcanuck]

Do we have any of those?

 

we did a short time ago. the best set in baseball..... now, the worst set

[fatcowxlive]

Salary payouts seems to get higher and higher every year by a lot. I wonder if it will ever just stall for a couple of years or if the bubble will burst. But I guess as long as TV attendance and ballpark attendance continues to climb we'll continue to see huge deals

[TBJ12]

we did a short time ago. the best set in baseball..... now, the worst set

 

Who outside of Syndergaard has accomplished anything? Lets not get carried away here.

[BTS]

Who outside of Syndergaard has accomplished anything? Lets not get carried away here.

 

I believe at one point Syndergaard, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Sanchez, Desclafani, Castro, Boyd were all in the system. That may have been the best in baseball, I dunno.

[Grant77]

Arizona's tax rate is about 1/4 of California ~4% vs. ~13%

 

That's much closer to 1/3 than 1/4.

[King]

I believe at one point Syndergaard, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Sanchez, Desclafani, Castro, Boyd were all in the system. That may have been the best in baseball, I dunno.

 

Syndergaard/Desclafani were traded in the 2012 offseason.

Stroman was drafted in June 2012 but he wasn't as *highly* regarded then.. coming off a PED suspension, + there was still talk of a future in the bullpen.

Castro wasn't highly regarded until the 2014 season (2013 for those who followed closely).

Boyd was drafted in 2013 but not thought of as much of anything until he started pitching well in the higher levels (beginning of 2015 season)

 

Different years for most of these guys, for the most part. Although, the Stroman/Norris/Osuna/Sanchez/Hoffman pitching prospect core was prominent last offseason.

[Laika]

I believe at one point Syndergaard, Stroman, Norris, Osuna, Sanchez, Desclafani, Castro, Boyd were all in the system. That may have been the best in baseball, I dunno.

 

Wow, DeSclafani had 3.2 fWAR last year... that hurts. I knew he was productive but didn't realize he was that good.

[BTS]

Syndergaard/Desclafani were traded in the 2012 offseason.

Stroman was drafted in June 2012 but he wasn't as *highly* regarded then.. coming off a PED suspension, + there was still talk of a future in the bullpen.

Castro wasn't highly regarded until the 2014 season (2013 for those who followed closely).

Boyd was drafted in 2013 but not thought of as much of anything until he started pitching well in the higher levels (beginning of 2015 season)

 

Still a pretty impressive collection to have in one system at the same time. Could be a CY contender, a 1/2, a closer, a set-up man, a couple of mid-rotation starters, and a couple of back-end starers.

[Stangstag]

Still a pretty impressive collection to have in one system at the same time. Could be a CY contender, a 1/2, a closer, a set-up man, a couple of mid-rotation starters, and a couple of back-end starers.

 

High expectations there

[baubau]

High expectations there

 

No man, BTS is right. Stro for Cy 2016! #RepressMemoryOfHavingSyndergaard

[King]

High expectations there

 

Uhh..

 

Syndergaard = Cy Contender

Stroman = 1/2

Osuna = Closer

Sanchez = Setup man

DeSclafani = midrotation starter

Boyd/Norris = jury still out

 

Seems reasonable to me.

[L54]

No man, BTS is right. Stro for Cy 2016! #RepressMemoryOfHavingSyndergaard

 

Syndergaard is the Cy contender in that scenario though.

[King]

Syndergaard is the Cy contender in that scenario though.

 

whoosh

[BTS]

High expectations there

 

Not really. Everyone is pretty much there except Norris becoming a 2/3/4 and Boyd and Castro becoming a 4/5/6.

[Jimcanuck]

Uhh..

 

Syndergaard = Cy Contender

Stroman = 1/2

Osuna = Closer

Sanchez = Setup man

DeSclafani = midrotation starter

Boyd/Norris = jury still out

 

Seems reasonable to me.

 

Value of these guys on open market ~$140M/yr

 

Actual cost ~$4M/yr

 

Also guys like Graveman, Nolin, Labourt, Tinoco, Castro, Hoffman, others

[L54]

whoosh

 

I understood.

[King]

Value of these guys on open market ~$140M/yr

 

Actual cost ~$4M/yr

 

Also guys like Graveman, Nolin, Labourt, Tinoco, Castro, Hoffman, others

 

Chase De Jong was money for the Dodgers in High A last year.

[nmrch]

That's much closer to 1/3 than 1/4.

 

Doesn't it depend on where your official residence is for the majority of the year? I don't know about Grienke but most of these guys live in Florida or Arizona in which case it would make no difference.

 

I've always gotten the impression that taxes are something sports writers care more about than the players and agents, its almost never a deciding factor or even something they think about that much.

Edited December 5, 2015 by nmrch

[Praxis]

Value of these guys on open market ~$140M/yr

 

Actual cost ~$4M/yr

 

Also guys like Graveman, Nolin, Labourt, Tinoco, Castro, Hoffman, others

 

Let's not forget Nicolino, one of my favourites.

[King]

How did I miss that Nicolino pitched 74 innings for the Marlins this past season?

 

He Suxxxxxxx.

[TheHurl]

Who outside of Syndergaard has accomplished anything? Lets not get carried away here.

 

Alvarez 4.2 fWAR

Asher 0.2 fwar

Dyson 1.1 fWAR

Tiny Tim 0.8 fWAR

Farquhar 2.4 fWAR

Desclafani 3.3 fWAR

Joe Musgrove (has a little value again)

David Carpenter 1.2 fWAR

Nicolino 0.0 fWAR

Graveman 0.4 fWAR

Boyd, Norris, Hoffman and Castro projected to a combined 2.0 fWAR this year.

[TheHurl]

Alvarez 4.2 fWAR

Asher 0.2 fwar

Dyson 1.1 fWAR

Tiny Tim 0.8 fWAR

Farquhar 2.4 fWAR

Desclafani 3.3 fWAR

Joe Musgrove (has a little value again)

David Carpenter 1.2 fWAR

Nicolino 0.0 fWAR

Graveman 0.4 fWAR

Boyd, Norris, Hoffman and Castro projected to a combined 2.0 fWAR this year.

 

Steamer projection for the top 12 (Tiny Tim, Alvarez and Hoffman are all 0.0) of these pitchers (counting Synder) is 10.4. Jays current entire staff 12.6.

[Laika]

How did I miss that Nicolino pitched 74 innings for the Marlins this past season?

 

He Suxxxxxxx.

 

I've never watched Nicolino pitch, but it must be exceedingly weird. Nicolino in Miami might be the most TTO averse pitcher of our generation.

 

If you set the min IP to 70 and look at every pitcher in the last 25 years, only one guy has a lower TTO/9 (add up BB/9, K/9, and HR/9) than Nicolino. Nicolino's is 6.20....

 

Bob Tewksbury. 31.3 career fWAR. 6.09 TTO/9.

 

No relation to Bobby Tewksbary, Donaldson's hitting coach guy.