Craig Kimbrel to the Red Sox; Margot, Guerra, Allen, Asuaje to Padres

[King]

[glory]

Chapman has only 1 year left though.

 

Osuna had 1.3 WAR in 69 innings and Kimbrel had 1.5 WAR in 59 innings. Quite a price to pay for a marginal difference between the two.

 

If you want your mind blown even further, look at Kimbrel's 2015 numbers vs. Hendriks (our long man thanks to the Gibbster).

[Dr. Dinger]

I wanted Kimbrel, but not at that Price. I wonder if they'd trade us Koji...

[Laika]

I wanted Kimbrel, but not at that Price. I wonder if they'd trade us Koji...

 

What are the biggest within AL East trades in recent memory?

[Abomination]

What are the biggest within AL East trades in recent memory?

 

Mondesi for salary relief perhaps?

[Orgfiller]

What are the biggest within AL East trades in recent memory?

 

Andrew Miller for Eduardo Rodriguez.

[Dr. Dinger]

Lol that was such a bad trade.

[BlueJayWay]

Wow. Dombrowski does not know how to build a pen.

[Atothe]

Wow at how dumb that trade was for the red Sox. Preller isn't as dumb as I thought he was.

[baubau]

Wow at how dumb that trade was for the red Sox. Preller isn't as dumb as I thought he was.

 

Maybe he is dumb as you think and Dombrowski is just dumber than you thought.

 

#BOOM

[RealAccountant]

Lol way to overpay for a closer at the end of his dominant cycle. Brb 4+ ERA coming up. Welcome to the majors kimbrel

[RealAccountant]

Redsox fans hate the deal.

[G-Snarls]

Redsox fans hate the deal.

 

As they should

 

Crazy overpay and way too early in the off season to have to overpay

[burlingtonbandit]

I think the market for elite relievers is a lot higher than what people think. Chapman is going to cost a lot even if he has 1 year left on the contract.

[Spanky99]

I think the market for elite relievers is a lot higher than what people think. Chapman is going to cost a lot even if he has 1 year left on the contract.

 

Yeah, and we can move Sanchez, Smoak, Pompey for Freeman, amirite? *smh*

[Governator]

I'm 90% positive King wears Google Glass and has live twitter updates flashing in his face all day everyday.

[RealAccountant]

I would just resign Lowe

[glory]

Yeah if Kimbrel is all they got then that's a poor deal for the Red Sox, although he could always put up another elite season or two. I was expecting it to be a blockbuster before all the details came out.

 

Be thankful we have Shapiro and not Dombrowski.

[CJ-Freeway]

I'm 90% positive King wears Google Glass and has live twitter updates flashing in his face all day everyday.

 

HAHA

 

Kudos to him though, we get updates so fast.

 

cf

[4thOFan]

Red Sox are a lot better than they were yesterday.

[Terminator]

Red Sox are a lot better than they were yesterday.

 

They are better but not by that much really. Still a team with a lot of work left to do. Going to have to pay a lot of tax to build a contender as well.

[Angrioter]

90 L team with elite expensive CloZa

[SAAviour]

If 13 mil/year relievers cost this much in prospects, then I'm maybe ok leaving Sanchez and Osuna in the pen.

[guylaroche5]

Red Sox are a lot better than they were yesterday.

 

There's only so much a reliever can do on the field. I like this move from a Jays fan perspective. The Red Sox burned up a good amount of their non-untouchable prospects for an elite, but expensive reliever. I would have been far more worried had they gotten Ross or some other #2-3 type starter.

[CJ-Freeway]

If 13 mil/year relievers cost this much in prospects, then I'm maybe ok leaving Sanchez and Osuna in the pen.

 

Yeah. I would re-sign Lowe though, seeing that Kimbrel costs this much in prospects.

[tpurewal97]

Yeah. I would re-sign Lowe though, seeing that Kimbrel costs this much in prospects.

 

How much would Lowe cost to resign ? he's a great 7th/8th inning guy , especially if were planing on putting Osuna or Sanchez in the starting rotation

[Laika]

How much would Lowe cost to resign ? he's a great 7th/8th inning guy , especially if were planing on putting Osuna or Sanchez in the starting rotation

 

Maybe 2/$8 or 2/$10??? roughly

[Maahfaace]

Kimbrel hasn't fallen off a cliff like some of you suggest, his K/BB rates are still fantastic, his fastball velocity is still consistently upper 90's ( no change from earlier years). The major difference affecting his WAR output from this year was the HR/9.

Id be willing to bet he pisses off a lot of Jays fans closing out games for the Sox with his eliteness the next couple of years, and Id expect a 2+ WAR out of him next season if healthy. f*** steamer and their projections, how a rough april translates into a full season of 1.3 WAR for arguably one of the best relievers in MLB from mid May on is beyond me.

 

Still a ridiculous overpay for him though

Edited November 14, 2015 by Maahfaace

[burlingtonbandit]

WAR can be misleading with relievers. It shouldn't be a huge factor in how good you think that player is. The reason Kimbrel's WAR was lower than past years was because he had less high leverage/save opportunities.

 

I think it was Jeff Sullivan who posted a recent article about how closer's are actually more valuable to a team's win/loss record than WAR illustrates.

[Key22]

WAR can be misleading with relievers. It shouldn't be a huge factor in how good you think that player is. The reason Kimbrel's WAR was lower than past years was because he had less high leverage/save opportunities.

 

I think it was Jeff Sullivan who posted a recent article about how closer's are actually more valuable to a team's win/loss record than WAR illustrates.

 

This is true especially in short series situations. You could sign 25 first baseman all with a 10 WAR and you will finish in last place.

 

This is still a situational game and you can bring David Price into the critical situation or you can bring Estrada or Wade Davis into the critical situation. Ask Jays fans out of the three who they would rather bring into the critical situation - Price may have the highest WAR but chances are - what we just saw - will dictate that Price would be the last pick of the three given recent history. In most sports you play the hot hand regardless of the long term statistical evidence.

 

These teams have access to people who are doling out numbers galore and teams seem to be spending a lot more focus on relief and closers - so the arm chair fans looking at WAR might be advised to hunt for some numbers on relievers that may explain why some pundits equate Kimbrel to a number 2/3 starter in terms of value to a team (and at 13million of those numbers are true) may be a rather good fiscal decision. Kansas City continually harps on the shut the game down after the 6th inning - WS 7th game loss followed by a WS win - and mediocre rotation and not the greatest offensive team in the world - but an elite pen. Some math wiz is sitting at a cubicle in the Royals system pounding out numbers getting paid a salary and probably knows something none of us know about reliever valuations to overall team wins.

 

Fortunately our pen looks pretty solid - Getting Cecil back and healthy will be really nice.

 

A Darren O'Day would be nice as a set-up guy and might not require a long term contract. Plus he's established success against the AL East. Doesn't walk people, doesn't give up home runs, doesn't give up a lot of hits and is over a k per inning. He'd come in well under the Kimbrel contracts and seems to be as good or very close numbers wise over the last 4-5 seasons. And can probably close in a pinch as well.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Key22