Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[Governator]

AA left because Shapiro is going to rebuild. No Price Obviously.

 

Edwin and Bautista are going to get shopped around. Tulo will be asked if he is comfortable in Toronto with his family, if not they will work out a trade to accommodate him. AA couldn't be a part of a vision that will slash payroll, be less competitive(at least in the coming years) and destroy the team he spent years of sleepless nights building.

 

 

 

No... firstly Bautista & EE won't be shopped around, they are 10/5 players and can veto any trade. Furthermore, people have to understand this is the result of Rogers selecting a President midseason with the assumption that their team was destined to be another .500 medicore product. Shapiro didn't force AA out... The plan at the time was to obviously blow it up, rebuild, save $ and not extend AA. That all backfired when AA went all ninja on them and totally redeemed himself.

 

Assuming Shapiro is going to blow things up right now, is illogical. That was obviously the intention when he was selected but the guy hasn't even worked a day yet and you're assuming he is is the dumbest President/GM on the planet. No... Rogers is the dumbest ownership on the planet who could have waited any time after the deadline to interview candidates for Beeston's replacement. They never gave AA a final chance to save his season.

Edited October 30, 2015 by Governator

[Atothe]

Frenchsoup what the hell are you going on about? Stop the yimmer yammering

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

No... firstly Bautista & EE won't be shopped around, they are 10/5 players and can veto any trade. Furthermore, people have to understand this is the result of Rogers selecting a President midseason with the assumption that their team was destined to be another .500 medicore product. Shapiro didn't force AA out... The plan at the time was to obviously blow it up, rebuild, save $ and not extend AA. That all backfired when AA went all ninja on them and totally redeemed himself.

 

Assuming Shapiro is going to blow things up right now, is illogical. That was obviously the intention when he was selected but the guy hasn't even worked a day yet and you're assuming he is is the dumbest GM on the planet. No... Rogers is the dumbest ownership on the planet who could have waited any time after the deadline to interview candidates for Beeston's replacement. They never gave AA a final chance to save his season.

 

They certainly could the Shapiro announcement was made a full calendar month after the trades and we had been in 1st place for a whole week.

 

It is definitely a position that could have been avoided. I am sincerely hopeful that Shapiro will be successful but the coming months will be crucial to see in which direction this team is headed and before yesterday that question didn't need to be asked. In truth I felt a figurehead president is what the team needed but we have a proven (albeit with a small market team) baseball guy calling the shots, I hope the intention from ownership is not for him to replicate his time in Cleveland where he had to preside over a top five payroll team becoming a bottom five payroll team.

 

Only time will tell I suppose.

[mikedumar]

I find it very amusing that people are supporting and defending Anthopoulos, after he literally stabbed the whole team in the back due to his inflated ego.

 

In one short brief desperation move on the behalf of salvaging his career and not for the sole pursuit of bringing a team a championship, Alex destroyed the very fabric of what he spent so many years building up and that is selling the farm, we were considered among the league to have some of the best pitching prospects coming up through the system, and when he heard the writing was on the wall of Beeston's future, Alex scrambled knowing full well that new management would not adhere to Alex's free reign, that Beeston so casually allowed.

 

knowing full well of his own displeasure of such concept, Alex set out to rebuild his resume, scrambling to make sure he secured some sort of baseball career, by completely overpaying for players that would propel this team into the playoffs....Hamel's a world series mvp was traded for peanuts, same a papelbon, etc, the jays were the only ones to fork out huge at the trade deadline.....hell alex even went against his own words regarding price

 

Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos explained that he'd prefer to acquire controllable players when possible.

 

“Ideally you don’t shop in the rental market, that doesn’t mean we’ll rule it out, we’re open to it, but our preference is always to have guys under control that can be here for a while,” Anthopoulos said.

 

To think that teams will line up for his services his hilarious, not only was he subpar in building a championship team over how many years ?, he destroyed his prospect work, threw his team under the bus all for the sake of not wanting to work with others .... a young guy like Alex could have learned a lot more working side by side with Shapiro. Furthermore, such a merger would have made this baseball team a lot better period.

 

and if there is still doubt about Alex's ego, the Jays were sitting in a much more comfortable position last year, top spot and not 7 games behind at the trade deadline and did nothing, and most fans as well as players were completely outraged, last year general manager Alex Anthopoulos said the prices for the players he wanted were too high and that additions could still be made during August’s waivers period.

 

last year The Tampa Bay Rays, on the fringes of the race, swapped out ace David Price for left-hander Drew Smyly and second baseman Nick Franklin , yet we paid a hefty price this year, for 2 months of Price

 

let that sink in

[Farm]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/noah-syndergaards-comps-imply-ace-potential/

 

Dear god

[dineke]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/noah-syndergaards-comps-imply-ace-potential/

 

Dear god

 

The "throw-in" in the RA Dickey deal.

[pickoff22]

I find it very amusing that people are supporting and defending Anthopoulos, after he literally stabbed the whole team in the back due to his inflated ego.

 

In one short brief desperation move on the behalf of salvaging his career and not for the sole pursuit of bringing a team a championship, Alex destroyed the very fabric of what he spent so many years building up and that is selling the farm, we were considered among the league to have some of the best pitching prospects coming up through the system, and when he heard the writing was on the wall of Beeston's future, Alex scrambled knowing full well that new management would not adhere to Alex's free reign, that Beeston so casually allowed.

 

knowing full well of his own displeasure of such concept, Alex set out to rebuild his resume, scrambling to make sure he secured some sort of baseball career, by completely overpaying for players that would propel this team into the playoffs....Hamel's a world series mvp was traded for peanuts, same a papelbon, etc, the jays were the only ones to fork out huge at the trade deadline.....hell alex even went against his own words regarding price

 

Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos explained that he'd prefer to acquire controllable players when possible.

 

“Ideally you don’t shop in the rental market, that doesn’t mean we’ll rule it out, we’re open to it, but our preference is always to have guys under control that can be here for a while,” Anthopoulos said.

 

To think that teams will line up for his services his hilarious, not only was he subpar in building a championship team over how many years ?, he destroyed his prospect work, threw his team under the bus all for the sake of not wanting to work with others .... a young guy like Alex could have learned a lot more working side by side with Shapiro. Furthermore, such a merger would have made this baseball team a lot better period.

 

and if there is still doubt about Alex's ego, the Jays were sitting in a much more comfortable position last year, top spot and not 7 games behind at the trade deadline and did nothing, and most fans as well as players were completely outraged, last year general manager Alex Anthopoulos said the prices for the players he wanted were too high and that additions could still be made during August’s waivers period.

 

last year The Tampa Bay Rays, on the fringes of the race, swapped out ace David Price for left-hander Drew Smyly and second baseman Nick Franklin , yet we paid a hefty price this year, for 2 months of Price

 

let that sink in

 

Well that's about the most exaggerated first post you could have produced. You may not like the number of prospects that he gave up, but it's not like he went against his word about rentals - he said "ideally" you don't shop in a rental market, and for the most part, he didn't. His decision to do so was partially responsible for the success and run of this team.

 

AA didn't leave this team in shambles and it's not as though every year going forward he was going to have to deal away prospects in the same manner as he did this year. You adjust to your current situation and AA would certainly have been capable of doing so. It's not like the farm is bone dry - sure an argument can easily be made he sacrificed the future for the present, but it's not as though the future is irreparable or that this team is destined for failure post 2016.

 

Similar to people overreacting to AA being no longer with us, some people are doing the exact same with the way AA went about his business this year.

[blurnandez]

words

 

Yeah, that's somewhat what went down. He tried to go out in a blaze of glory while salvaging his professional name. No one should feel too sorry for AA.

[Governator]

I find it very amusing that people are supporting and defending Anthopoulos, after he literally stabbed the whole team in the back due to his inflated ego.

 

In one short brief desperation move on the behalf of salvaging his career and not for the sole pursuit of bringing a team a championship, Alex destroyed the very fabric of what he spent so many years building up and that is selling the farm, we were considered among the league to have some of the best pitching prospects coming up through the system, and when he heard the writing was on the wall of Beeston's future, Alex scrambled knowing full well that new management would not adhere to Alex's free reign, that Beeston so casually allowed.

 

knowing full well of his own displeasure of such concept, Alex set out to rebuild his resume, scrambling to make sure he secured some sort of baseball career, by completely overpaying for players that would propel this team into the playoffs....Hamel's a world series mvp was traded for peanuts, same a papelbon, etc, the jays were the only ones to fork out huge at the trade deadline.....hell alex even went against his own words regarding price

 

Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos explained that he'd prefer to acquire controllable players when possible.

 

“Ideally you don’t shop in the rental market, that doesn’t mean we’ll rule it out, we’re open to it, but our preference is always to have guys under control that can be here for a while,” Anthopoulos said.

 

To think that teams will line up for his services his hilarious, not only was he subpar in building a championship team over how many years ?, he destroyed his prospect work, threw his team under the bus all for the sake of not wanting to work with others .... a young guy like Alex could have learned a lot more working side by side with Shapiro. Furthermore, such a merger would have made this baseball team a lot better period.

 

and if there is still doubt about Alex's ego, the Jays were sitting in a much more comfortable position last year, top spot and not 7 games behind at the trade deadline and did nothing, and most fans as well as players were completely outraged, last year general manager Alex Anthopoulos said the prices for the players he wanted were too high and that additions could still be made during August’s waivers period.

 

last year The Tampa Bay Rays, on the fringes of the race, swapped out ace David Price for left-hander Drew Smyly and second baseman Nick Franklin , yet we paid a hefty price this year, for 2 months of Price

 

let that sink in

 

 

Price is the only rental he's acquired via trade... The only other short term acquisition since taking over was the 1 year remaining on Johnson that didn't pan out from the Marlins package. All of the positional players from this season are still under team control so where are you basing losing all of our farm for one chance in the playoffs? This team can arguably compete for multiple years, the biggest wildcards being EE / JB next season and the FA market for pitching this offseason.

[gruber92]

I find it very amusing that people are supporting and defending Anthopoulos, after he literally stabbed the whole team in the back due to his inflated ego.

 

In one short brief desperation move on the behalf of salvaging his career and not for the sole pursuit of bringing a team a championship, Alex destroyed the very fabric of what he spent so many years building up and that is selling the farm, we were considered among the league to have some of the best pitching prospects coming up through the system, and when he heard the writing was on the wall of Beeston's future, Alex scrambled knowing full well that new management would not adhere to Alex's free reign, that Beeston so casually allowed.

 

knowing full well of his own displeasure of such concept, Alex set out to rebuild his resume, scrambling to make sure he secured some sort of baseball career, by completely overpaying for players that would propel this team into the playoffs....Hamel's a world series mvp was traded for peanuts, same a papelbon, etc, the jays were the only ones to fork out huge at the trade deadline.....hell alex even went against his own words regarding price

 

Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos explained that he'd prefer to acquire controllable players when possible.

 

“Ideally you don’t shop in the rental market, that doesn’t mean we’ll rule it out, we’re open to it, but our preference is always to have guys under control that can be here for a while,” Anthopoulos said.

 

To think that teams will line up for his services his hilarious, not only was he subpar in building a championship team over how many years ?, he destroyed his prospect work, threw his team under the bus all for the sake of not wanting to work with others .... a young guy like Alex could have learned a lot more working side by side with Shapiro. Furthermore, such a merger would have made this baseball team a lot better period.

 

and if there is still doubt about Alex's ego, the Jays were sitting in a much more comfortable position last year, top spot and not 7 games behind at the trade deadline and did nothing, and most fans as well as players were completely outraged, last year general manager Alex Anthopoulos said the prices for the players he wanted were too high and that additions could still be made during August’s waivers period.

 

last year The Tampa Bay Rays, on the fringes of the race, swapped out ace David Price for left-hander Drew Smyly and second baseman Nick Franklin , yet we paid a hefty price this year, for 2 months of Price

 

let that sink in

 

 

Without acquiring Price, Tulo, Revere and Lowe, we probably don't make the playoffs. The dramatic come from behind series win vs Texas was a huge benchmark that wouldn't have happened. We were also a first and third with no out situation away from taking a solid Royals team to game seven.

 

Imagine if this all didn't happen.

 

Let that sink in.

[Boxcar]

Well that's about the most exaggerated first post you could have produced. You may not like the number of prospects that he gave up, but it's not like he went against his word about rentals - he said "ideally" you don't shop in a rental market, and for the most part, he didn't. His decision to do so was partially responsible for the success and run of this team.

 

AA didn't leave this team in shambles and it's not as though every year going forward he was going to have to deal away prospects in the same manner as he did this year. You adjust to your current situation and AA would certainly have been capable of doing so. It's not like the farm is bone dry - sure an argument can easily be made he sacrificed the future for the present, but it's not as though the future is irreparable or that this team is destined for failure post 2016.

 

Similar to people overreacting to AA being no longer with us, some people are doing the exact same with the way AA went about his business this year.

 

He had a good point about last year's trade deadline. I don't think anyone would argue that what Detroit paid for Price was much more than what we paid.

 

I did cringe when he used "literally" incorrectly, though. Come on people.

[Jonn]

The "throw-in" in the RA Dickey deal.

 

Nobody called him a throw in.

[Boxcar]

Price is the only rental he's acquired via trade... The only other short term acquisition since taking over was the 1 year remaining on Johnson that didn't pan out from the Marlins package. All of the positional players from this season are still under team control so where are you basing losing all of our farm for one chance in the playoffs? This team can arguably compete for multiple years, the biggest wildcards being EE / JB next season and the FA market for pitching this offseason.

 

Mark Lowe was minor but also a rental, as was LaTroy Hawkins.

[Frenchsoup]

He had a good point about last year's trade deadline. I don't think anyone would argue that what Detroit paid for Price was much more than what we paid.

 

I did cringe when he used "literally" incorrectly, though. Come on people.

 

He also forgot about Willy Adames.

[Mikeleelop]

The "throw-in" in the RA Dickey deal.

 

noah was never the throw in

 

it was noah and darnaud

[Belliss101]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/noah-syndergaards-comps-imply-ace-potential/

 

Dear god

 

Puke

[Mikeleelop]

I understand that this message board usually has a "they sky is falling mentality" but I'm too tired to look back to see how many of the people on here thinking that the Jays are done without AA were the same people wanting to kick him to the curb this year. Chill

 

Shapiro will do his job. his methodology is more like the buy and hold guy who won't trade prospects. he's been accused of over valuing young talent, but he does have a young shortstop in Clev that may be one of the top 5 exciting players in MLB next year.

[Boxcar]

He also forgot about Willy Adames.

 

I think Jackson, Adames and Smyly is pretty close to Norris, Boyd and Labourt.

[Frenchsoup]

I think Jackson, Adames and Smyly is pretty close to Norris, Boyd and Labourt.

 

I agree.

[Boxcar]

I understand that this message board usually has a "they sky is falling mentality" but I'm too tired to look back to see how many of the people on here thinking that the Jays are done without AA were the same people wanting to kick him to the curb this year. Chill

 

Shapiro will do his job. his methodology is more like the buy and hold guy who won't trade prospects. he's been accused of over valuing young talent, but he does have a young shortstop in Clev that may be one of the top 5 exciting players in MLB next year.

 

Not just him, a bevvy of guys they either drafted or targeted as prospects when trading one of their established stars. It speaks to how well the Indians identified good players early and developed them into something big. Brantley was never pegged to be a star, Carrasco was a minor piece in the Lee trade, etc.

 

I'm quite excited about moving to that approach and supplementing these pieces with wise free agent signings.

 

I just really hope they go hard after Heyward this year. That's the only big splash I really care about.

[mikedumar]

From globe and mail today ...

 

At that point, the then-Toronto Blue Jays general manager hadn’t talked to anyone about his contract. He’d only met incoming president Mark Shapiro in passing, and had no feel for him. He said he was not interested in staying if it meant running every move up the ladder. He was open to collaboration, but did not want to be micro-managed.

 

He used the example of last November’s trade of outfield prospect Anthony Gose – a move that at the time seemed like small beer.

 

“Would I still be able to trade Gose without asking someone?” Mr. Anthopoulos wondered.

[Governator]

Mark Lowe was minor but also a rental, as was LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Thanks. Lowe was a swap for rental though I kind of consider Hawkins a throw in considering the prospects going were primarily for Tulo.

[mikedumar]

He had a good point about last year's trade deadline. I don't think anyone would argue that what Detroit paid for Price was much more than what we paid.

 

I did cringe when he used "literally" incorrectly, though. Come on people.

 

The big difference , is Detroit had him for over a year , we paid more and only had price for a couple months

[Rusty_Savage]

Nobody called him a throw in.

 

Wulimer Becerra was the throw in

[Boxcar]

The big difference , is Detroit had him for over a year , we paid more and only had price for a couple months

 

Yes, I'm aware of that and thought you raised a good point.

[BTS]

The big difference , is Detroit had him for over a year , we paid more and only had price for a couple months

 

I think Detroit paid more. Smyly is really good.

[Governator]

I think Detroit paid more. Smyly is really good.

 

 

Detroit definitely paid more, the main difference being they recouped some of that loss.

[Boxcar]

I think Detroit paid more. Smyly is really good.

 

His stock rose quite a bit after the trade, plus he has injury concerns. I think the packages are comparable.

[L54]

Ya, Detroit will be lucky if Norris ever resembles something like Smyly.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Rays will be in Montreal soon. Groundwork being laid as we speak.

 

I hope not