Offseason Roster Thread

[Sammy225]

They may hate each other, but I think they can both respect that they are passionate, good baseball players. Bygones are quickly put aside.

 

And it would likely be best for O'Days career to be on the same team as Bautista lol

[burlingtonbandit]

They may hate each other, but I think they can both respect that they are passionate, good baseball players. Bygones are quickly put aside.

 

Yeah I would think so too lol. Especially since he's in the bullpen so they are hardly around each other compared with SP and position players.

 

I'm on board with signing him and trading Osuna for a SP.

[Smokingjays1111]

You guys want 4 years @ 30 mil for o day ffs get real

[Smokingjays1111]

You find guys of the Hendricks ilk to fill out the pen and if Shapiro wastes money like that on a side armer I'll be pissed

[Boxcar]

You find guys of the Hendricks ilk to fill out the pen and if Shapiro wastes money like that on a side armer I'll be pissed

 

Why does it matter that he's a sidearmer? He's been an absolute elite reliever for 4 consecutive years while throwing 87. He just had his best season ever. His swinging strike rate has gone up every season for 5 straight years.

 

The guy puts up obscene numbers and after so long, it can't be a fluke. To top it off, it appears that O'Day might be a bit of a FIP beater, and that's with an already very good FIP. Average ERA under 2 in the past 4 years. RA-9 WAR of 2.2, 2.0, 2.7, 2.7 in his time with Baltimore.

 

Cherry on the sundae: this would really piss off Orioles fans, but he seems like a really nice buy for what he's asking for.

[Smokingjays1111]

Why does it matter that he's a sidearmer? He's been an absolute elite reliever for 4 consecutive years while throwing 87. He just had his best season ever. His swinging strike rate has gone up every season for 5 straight years.

 

The guy puts up obscene numbers and after so long, it can't be a fluke. To top it off, it appears that O'Day might be a bit of a FIP beater, and that's with an already very good FIP. Average ERA under 2 in the past 4 years. RA-9 WAR of 2.2, 2.0, 2.7, 2.7 in his time with Baltimore.

 

Cherry on the sundae: this would really piss off Orioles fans, but he seems like a really nice buy for what he's asking for.

 

I'm pretty sure educated oriole fans would laugh at a contract like that , I am by no means saying he is not a great if not elite reliever , I'm saying you do NOT pay guys like him 8 mil a year it's absurdity that it's even being thrown around

[Smokingjays1111]

The amount of failed starters out there to be had for cheap and your justifying oday (head shake)

[Dr. Dinger]

I'm pretty sure educated oriole fans would laugh at a contract like that , I am by no means saying he is not a great if not elite reliever , I'm saying you do NOT pay guys like him 8 mil a year it's absurdity that it's even being thrown around

 

Why not? $7-8M isn't very much money at all. It's what we're already giving an inferior player like Ben Revere.

[Boxcar]

I'm pretty sure educated oriole fans would laugh at a contract like that , I am by no means saying he is not a great if not elite reliever , I'm saying you do NOT pay guys like him 8 mil a year it's absurdity that it's even being thrown around

 

But what I'm saying is that you can quantify the impact of a guy like O'Day, and by what he's done and will likely continue to do, he is EASILY worth 7.5 million per year. Breaking down cost per win, he's a very nice bargain over a reasonably short term.

[Smokingjays1111]

How much do you think Cahill will cost ?

[Laika]

The amount of failed starters out there to be had for cheap and your justifying oday (head shake)

 

You're correct that it's relatively easy to find good relievers.

 

It's hard to find truly elite relievers though. And O'Day is absolutely elite. Since 2009, his RA9-WAR is 2nd in baseball behind only Kimbrel. Since 2012, he's #3 behind Kimbrel and Chapman.

 

The guy is a beast!

[Orgfiller]

Why does it matter that he's a sidearmer? He's been an absolute elite reliever for 4 consecutive years while throwing 87. He just had his best season ever. His swinging strike rate has gone up every season for 5 straight years.

 

The guy puts up obscene numbers and after so long, it can't be a fluke. To top it off, it appears that O'Day might be a bit of a FIP beater, and that's with an already very good FIP. Average ERA under 2 in the past 4 years. RA-9 WAR of 2.2, 2.0, 2.7, 2.7 in his time with Baltimore.

 

Cherry on the sundae: this would really piss off Orioles fans, but he seems like a really nice buy for what he's asking for.

 

I think the way he throws his fastball (with the point of release being a big factor) certainly contributes to that. He throws as close to a "rise ball" as you can get; clearly he's doing something special when he can get so many high fastball swinging strikes whilst sitting 87.

[Smokingjays1111]

Casey Janssen , like cmon guys 9 mil for oday ffs

[Orgfiller]

*have

 

I wouldn't bother, he does that a lot.

[Orgfiller]

Casey Janssen , like cmon guys 9 mil for oday ffs

 

He's not Casey Janssen though. Janssen sucked ass at the end of his Blue Jays tenure. O'Day is much better.

[Smokingjays1111]

I really don't have the time to type out a list of guys to be had on the cheap who the jays will target !

[Laika]

I really don't have the time to type out a list of guys to be had on the cheap who the jays will target !

 

Good, because none of them would be even close to as good as O'Day and nobody would read your list.

[Smokingjays1111]

Janssen wil be a heck of a lot cheaper than that overpay

[Smokingjays1111]

Bud Norris

[Orgfiller]

Janssen wil be a heck of a lot cheaper than that overpay

 

Janssen is terrible, and O'Day would not be an overpay.

[Smokingjays1111]

Bobby Parnell , mujica, wright,parra , there is honestly to many to list

[Smokingjays1111]

im done talking oday could put up good value for the jays it doesn't mean it's a wise decision

[BTS]

O'Day is like a 3-4 win upgrade for 7-8M per year. Want.

[Terminator]

O'Day is like a 3-4 win upgrade for 7-8M per year. Want.

 

3-4 win upgrade?

[Grant77]

I'm pretty sure educated oriole fans would laugh at a contract like that , I am by no means saying he is not a great if not elite reliever , I'm saying you do NOT pay guys like him 8 mil a year it's absurdity that it's even being thrown around

 

Those exist?

[Dr. Dinger]

Good, because none of them would be even close to as good as O'Day and nobody would read your list.

 

There are literally no free agent relievers as good as O'Day, and judging by the cost of Kimbrel, the trade market for Chapman, Robertson or Miller might very well cost more than $30M worth of prospects.

[BTS]

3-4 win upgrade?

 

Yeah. The team doesn't even have 5 relievers better than replacement, and he's almost a 3-win player according to RA-9 WAR, which would understate his actual value.

[Dr. Dinger]

3-4 win upgrade?

 

I'm guessing this involves some positive projections of Osuna in the rotation. I see it as more of a 2 win uprade, but I'd still gladly take 2 wins @ $7-8M.

[Boxcar]

I think the way he throws his fastball (with the point of release being a big factor) certainly contributes to that. He throws as close to a "rise ball" as you can get; clearly he's doing something special when he can get so many high fastball swinging strikes whilst sitting 87.

 

Yeah for sure, but the really fascinating thing for me is that he keeps improving. You'd think that, because a large part of why he's good is simply his delivery, he'd be getting figured out more and more. But he gets older and just misses more bats than he did the previous year while throwing more pitches in the zone. It is really quite amazing.

[DerangedIdoit]

Good, because none of them would be even close to as good as O'Day and nobody would read your list.

 

It's true. What a team is paying for when it comes to O'Day is certainty and peace of mind. A lot of effective relievers have off years. Its to fickle and volatile. Very few relievers ever become 'elite' and that's what a contending team needs, not a hail-mary shot with an unproven.

 

Having said all that 9 million per year is too much even for that.