Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Olerud363]

IÂ’m not suggesting a sudden regression. IÂ’ve never thought he was good and I still donÂ’t think he is. You can believe that 107 wrc+ over 1000 PAs proves that but I donÂ’t believe it.

 

IÂ’ll be delighted if IÂ’m wrong.

 

We need good players now and next year and the year after next year and the year after that. ThereÂ’s no reason why the window should shut soon or that we should stop thinking about future years.

 

His minor league stats also indicate he's an OK hitter. Biggio is a .250 .370 .420 minor league and .235 .350 .400 major league hitter. The minor league stats suggest the major league stats are accurate.

[Dagagad]

Nah, control is still valuable with guys like Bednar. If Ross could get a deal done with the Pirates without losing Groshans, that'd be sweet. Don't see it happening though. Pirates phone is already getting lots of work... haha!

 

I feel like most relievers become bad before their control runs out anyway but there are exceptions.

 

I wouldn’t hold my breath on a blockbuster for a reliever though.

 

Edit: I notice he has options which is useful. I wouldn’t hate it. It would be nice to upgrade the pen.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Dagagad

[glory]

Atkins hasn't shown much interest in spending on relievers during this tenure, whether via FA or trade, so I tend to agree he probably doesn't trade Groshans for a reliever (unless it's Hader or someone like that with a track record of being elite). I think he's more likely to pursue Montas, especially if Ryu is out for a while. The A's seem to love prospects that are close to being in the bigs so Groshans would probably interest them, though obviously it would take more than just him.

[Eat My Shatkins]

With Bednar being only 27, putting up high end to elite numbers for multiple years now and also having 4 more years of control AFTER this season, it sure would be tempting.

 

I can't see this FO doing that though, and with the volatility of relievers I can't blame them.

[Spanky__99]

Atkins hasn't shown much interest in spending on relievers during this tenure, whether via FA or trade, so I tend to agree he probably doesn't trade Groshans for a reliever (unless it's Hader or someone like that with a track record of being elite). I think he's more likely to pursue Montas, especially if Ryu is out for a while. The A's seem to love prospects that are close to being in the bigs so Groshans would probably interest them, though obviously it would take more than just him.

 

That's who I think the Jays might target if they use spects like Groshans in trade.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Part of me thinks that if Ryu is out not only this season, but also next, that the Jays will try to replace him via trade. But then the other side of me thinks they might believe his spot could be filled much more cheaply with an internal option.

 

Castillo is right there at AAA, Pearson might actually figure it out and stay healthy, Zulueta and/or Tiedemann could easily continue to move up fast with their elite/advanced stuff.

 

I can't wait to see how they play this.

[Dagagad]

That's who I think the Jays might target if they use spects like Groshans in trade.

 

Groshans, Pearson, Samad Taylor and a far away pitching prospect they like?

[Dagagad]

Part of me thinks that if Ryu is out not only this season, but also next, that the Jays will try to replace him via trade. But then the other side of me thinks they might believe his spot could be filled much more cheaply with an internal option.

 

Castillo is right there at AAA, Pearson might actually figure it out and stay healthy, Zulueta and/or Tiedemann could easily continue to move up fast with their elite/advanced stuff.

 

I can't wait to see how they play this.

 

If we assume that things are exactly like they are now at the deadline (8 games back and our top 3 guys are healthy) montas is probably not a real need. It would be kind of an extreme injury hedge because without injuries, he’s starting like one game at most in a series and none in a three game wild card.

 

If someone else gets injured, I could see it. Or if the division is a credible dream.

[Eat My Shatkins]

If we assume that things are exactly like they are now at the deadline (8 games back and our top 3 guys are healthy) montas is probably not a real need. It would be kind of an extreme injury hedge because without injuries, he’s starting like one game at most in a series and none in a three game wild card.

 

If someone else gets injured, I could see it. Or if the division is a credible dream.

 

Yea I agree. I have no problem rolling with Manoah/Gausman/Berrios/Stripling/Kikuchi if no more starter injuries occur. No need to spend HQ assets to add another high end starter IMO, but maybe pay a much lower price to add a depth starter if the belief is Pearson/Hatch/Kay/Lawrence/Castillo aren't enough to cover that part of it.

[Spanky__99]

Groshans, Pearson, Samad Taylor and a far away pitching prospect they like?

 

I don't think Pearson would be involved as they wouldn't want to trade from our 40 man roster, something like Groshans, Robberse, Taylor +, certainly expensive.

[Spanky__99]

Part of me thinks that if Ryu is out not only this season, but also next, that the Jays will try to replace him via trade. But then the other side of me thinks they might believe his spot could be filled much more cheaply with an internal option.

 

Castillo is right there at AAA, Pearson might actually figure it out and stay healthy, Zulueta and/or Tiedemann could easily continue to move up fast with their elite/advanced stuff.

 

I can't wait to see how they play this.

 

I doubt Castillo/Zulueta or Tiedemann as options this season, not in a starting role anyway. It's going to be an interesting deadline, no doubt. Haven't heard many rumours yet, other than speculation.

[Spanky__99]

If we assume that things are exactly like they are now at the deadline (8 games back and our top 3 guys are healthy) montas is probably not a real need. It would be kind of an extreme injury hedge because without injuries, he’s starting like one game at most in a series and none in a three game wild card.

 

If someone else gets injured, I could see it. Or if the division is a credible dream.

 

I always hear the GM's on MLBN say it's usually around 5 games as the over/under on how hard you'd go in. As you've mentioned it depends on injuries in which direction they move. The hole/holes could change intermittently over the next 6 weeks, hopefully not.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I wonder what Quintana would cost to acquire?

 

I highly doubt he finishes the season with the Pirates.

[Laika]

Zero interest in Quintana. I'm surprised he's still in MLB but his numbers are a bit better than I expected, he must have figured something out to stay alive.

 

But I can't see how he would really help a playoff team like Toronto unless they lose multiple SPs to injury and they just need a live arm to eat innings...

[Grant77]

I wonder what Quintana would cost to acquire?

 

I highly doubt he finishes the season with the Pirates.

 

An arm like Quintana or Chad Kuhl would be helpful to us if Ryu is out long term and they are cheap to acquire. I trust them more than what we have in AAA.

[Deadpool]

I doubt Castillo/Zulueta or Tiedemann as options this season, not in a starting role anyway. It's going to be an interesting deadline, no doubt. Haven't heard many rumours yet, other than speculation.

 

Given that Zulu needs to be added to the 40 man before the next rule 5 draft, I think he's the most likely to make it to the bigs this year, but I'd imagine in a reliever role in Aug/Sept, assuming he is near his innings limit. Castillo may need to be added as well, he's been in the system since 2016, but I don't honestly know anything about the guy.

[Terminator]

Our upper minors pitching depth sucks. Stripling filling in nicely for Ryu but one more injury (which is likely) and we are all the sudden relying on Nate Pearson. If he falters then it's up to Hatch?

[glory]

Our upper minors pitching depth sucks. Stripling filling in nicely for Ryu but one more injury (which is likely) and we are all the sudden relying on Nate Pearson. If he falters then it's up to Hatch?

 

Not only that, but Stripling is a FA after this season and Ryu is a question mark depending on how hurt he is, so the Jays will need to add a SP for 2023 at the minimum, with upgrading 2022 also a priority depending on the health/effectiveness of the current 5. That's why I could see them being in on Montas. The AAA SP depth, and SP depth in the system in general, is lacking. Tiedmann is only 19 so probably not the best idea to pencil him in any time soon, and Pearson is likely a RP at this point.

 

It might require too much prospect capital to pull these off, but trading for Montas and Happ would be the ideal trade deadline.

[Laika]

I am not too concerned about SP depth in 2023 onward although I am sure they will look to add an MLB SP or two in the offseason.

 

But in 2023 a lot of the exciting names will not be tooooooo far off to jump up to MLB if there is a need.

 

2022 is basically one year too early for them. But the following dudes could all be in AA or AAA next year:

 

Palmer

Zulueta

Murray

Kloff

Dallas

Juenger

Robberse

Van Eyk (TJS recovery though so won't see him)

 

Santos and Frasso probably A+ I guess

[RustyTrombone]

I am not too concerned about SP depth in 2023 onward although I am sure they will look to add an MLB SP or two in the offseason.

 

But in 2023 a lot of the exciting names will not be tooooooo far off to jump up to MLB if there is a need.

 

2022 is basically one year too early for them. But the following dudes could all be in AA or AAA next year:

 

Palmer

Zulueta

Murray

Kloff

Dallas

Juenger

Robberse

Van Eyk (TJS recovery though so won't see him)

 

Santos and Frasso probably A+ I guess

 

You forgot the best of the bunch lol. Tiedemann could be in AA in a few weeks.

 

And I still think Zulu could be a dark horse for a 2nd half bullpen spot with the big club. Especially if no big pen arm is acquired at the deadline. Age + stuff + presumed IP restrictions + need in MLB pen could mean a short look in 1 inning outings come August.

[Dagagad]

What about a buy low? German Marquez has one year after this at 15 and a club option at 16.

 

Could probably get him back to at least 5th starter level with upside for more.

[Laika]

You forgot the best of the bunch lol. Tiedemann could be in AA in a few weeks.

 

And I still think Zulu could be a dark horse for a 2nd half bullpen spot with the big club. Especially if no big pen arm is acquired at the deadline. Age + stuff + presumed IP restrictions + need in MLB pen could mean a short look in 1 inning outings come August.

 

I swear I typed Tiedemann

[Laika]

You forgot the best of the bunch lol. Tiedemann could be in AA in a few weeks.

 

And I still think Zulu could be a dark horse for a 2nd half bullpen spot with the big club. Especially if no big pen arm is acquired at the deadline. Age + stuff + presumed IP restrictions + need in MLB pen could mean a short look in 1 inning outings come August.

 

f***, if they can't bring in some shutdown relievers.... I bet Tiedemann could slay in the pen right now haha

[RustyTrombone]

f***, if they can't bring in some shutdown relievers.... I bet Tiedemann could slay in the pen right now haha

 

Oh definitely, I'm sure he could sit 97-98 for a 20-30 pitch outing with his slider and change up playing up even more and be a good lefty reliever like Chris Sale was his rookie season. But his potential is sooooo bloody high as a SP I don't know if you risk rushing him in 2022 for a 10 or 15 IP cup of coffee as a rp. Now Zulu on the other hand.....

[Terminator]

Back to the trade deadline it seems like a left handed bat is obvious but at the same time I think that might be a little harder to find a fit than people think. As it stands, Gurriel is probably our worst regular? Biggio and Tapia are starting to hit too. So it's going to have to be a pretty high impact bat to make it worth our while because otherwise it won't be much of an improvement over Gurriel and whatever Biggio and Tapia give us.

 

Relief Pitching is an obvious need. It's good enough for now but at the deadline we will probably look to add a high leverage guy that throws hard.

 

Starting pitching will be a need IMO, but at what level we will see. Every contender will check in on frontline starters and I could see us adding one. If we have any injuries though we will be looking at innings eaters too.

[Daniel Labude]

Orelvis went 2-4 with 2 2Bs and a BB

[Dagagad]

Fangraphs pushed Orelvis down to exactly 100 overall. Citing concerns about chase rate.

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

What about trading with Cincy? Not sure what it would cost to get a Castillo, Votto package and alternate Votto and Vlad between DH and 1B. Toss a pen arm in too maybe

[John_Havok]

Fangraphs pushed Orelvis down to exactly 100 overall. Citing concerns about chase rate.

 

It's concerning for sure, but he's got tons of time to reign that in before getting up to the big club.

[Laika]

Don't need Votto

 

I'm sure Toronto will be talking with CIN about Mahle and Catillo, and OAK about Montas.

 

Are there any other good SP on the block?