Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[G-Snarls]

Prefer 2 myself

 

In all honesty though, when 8 of your 9 bats on any given night are over 110 wRC+, does it really even matter how you order them?

[z3r0s]

I win

 

Yup, props buddy.

[KingKat]

I don't think that's true at all. AA is certainly good at making big moves, but it's not like he's picking these teams' pockets. The Marlins and Mets got what they wanted, and this deal isn't a slam-dunk value-wise for the Blue Jays. They get better and they needed to, but it makes sense for Colorado as well.

 

Other teams probably love negotiating with AA. He keeps everything quiet, is responsive and honest, and is willing to discuss literally anything.

 

I actualy think this is a crap trade for Colorado. There's absolutely no reason for them to have to take a player like Reyes in a Tulo deal. Castro, Hoffman is a good return for Tulo straight up. Castro, Hoffman with Reyes as extra baggage is pretty underwhelming. (I'm basically considering Tinoco as the price for Hawkins).

[TwistedLogic]

I don't think that's true at all. AA is certainly good at making big moves, but it's not like he's picking these teams' pockets. The Marlins and Mets got what they wanted, and this deal isn't a slam-dunk value-wise for the Blue Jays. They get better and they needed to, but it makes sense for Colorado as well.

 

Other teams probably love negotiating with AA. He keeps everything quiet, is responsive and honest, and is willing to discuss literally anything.

 

I'm fairly certain you misread the last sentence in my post.

[Terminator]

I actualy think this is a crap trade for Colorado. There's absolutely no reason for them to have to take a player like Reyes in a Tulo deal. Castro, Hoffman is a good return for Tulo straight up. Castro, Hoffman with Reyes as extra baggage is pretty underwhelming. (I'm basically considering Tinoco as the price for Hawkins).

 

I agree. The Mets, Yankees or Dodgers couldn't beat that package?

 

Maybe the Rockies think they can move Reyes for an asset? Idk, I think AA did pretty well here.

[Boxcar]

In all honesty though, when 8 of your 9 bats on any given night are over 110 wRC+, does it really even matter how you order them?

 

Nope, not at all. Lol

[DuckDuckGose]

I actualy think this is a crap trade for Colorado. There's absolutely no reason for them to have to take a player like Reyes in a Tulo deal. Castro, Hoffman is a good return for Tulo straight up. Castro, Hoffman with Reyes as extra baggage is pretty underwhelming. (I'm basically considering Tinoco as the price for Hawkins).

 

They're going to flip Reyes for prospects. They get the pitching they wanted without retaining any salary and another prospect or two on the way.

[G-Snarls]

Pretty sure Gibby was up all night making lineups and just smiling

 

LOL

 

Exactly

 

He must feel like Cito did in 1993

 

"Every batting order I make up looks awesome!!!"

[TwistedLogic]

I actualy think this is a crap trade for Colorado. There's absolutely no reason for them to have to take a player like Reyes in a Tulo deal. Castro, Hoffman is a good return for Tulo straight up. Castro, Hoffman with Reyes as extra baggage is pretty underwhelming. (I'm basically considering Tinoco as the price for Hawkins).

 

For the difference between Reyes and Tulowitzki, they shed 50M in future commitments and picked up Castro and Hoffman. I don't see how you could call that a bad deal.

[KingKat]

I agree. The Mets, Yankees or Dodgers couldn't beat that package?

 

Maybe the Rockies think they can move Reyes for an asset? Idk, I think AA did pretty well here.

 

Either they are fortunate enough have something good already lined up for Reyes or they did not value the Reyes contract properly.

[Sammy225]

They're going to flip Reyes for prospects. They get the pitching they wanted without retaining any salary and another prospect or two on the way.

 

Your not going to get much for that contract though. If they want to trade him for decent prospect they may have to eat some of his salary

[DuckDuckGose]

LOL

 

Exactly

 

He must feel like Cito did in 1993

 

"Every batting order I make up looks awesome!!!"

 

Gibby right now

 

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/crazy-dance.gif

[glory]

I think you just put Tulo at lead-off, and go from there.

 

Tulo

Donaldson

Bautista

Edwin

Smoak

Martin

Travis

Pillar

Pompey

 

Offense, defense, home runs, obp.....damn. If only Stroman were healthy for the pitching staff (which still needs some help).

[Spanky99]

Just now on MLB Central Morning Drive...Morisi hears the Jays are far from done...expect much more!

[DuckDuckGose]

Your not going to get much for that contract though. If they want to trade him for decent prospect they may have to eat some of his salary

 

They'll get a top 100 prospect and a couple A ball guys without retaining any salary

[G-Snarls]

Rosenthal: AA tried to get Tulo first in December and then again in May

[DuckDuckGose]

I think you just put Tulo at lead-off, and go from there.

 

Tulo

Donaldson

Bautista

Edwin

Smoak

Martin

Travis

Pillar

Pompey

 

Offense, defense, home runs, obp.....damn. If only Stroman were healthy for the pitching staff (which still needs some help).

 

i love that they got Martin to be a middle of the order bat and he's going to bat 6th or 7th

[Sammy225]

The thought of Tulo and Donaldson on the Left side for the next how many years has me hard as a rock

[KingKat]

For the difference between Reyes and Tulowitzki, they shed 50M in future commitments and picked up Castro and Hoffman. I don't see how you could call that a bad deal.

 

Tulo's deal though expensive is still a positive value deal and the opportunity to land a shortstop of his calibre is rare enough to give him a quality of opportunity boost. If the best they could do is two good but not elite prospects and a bad contract than they bungled this by either negotiating poorly or holding on to him too long.

[G-Snarls]

Just now on MLB Central Morning Drive...Morisi hears the Jays are far from done...expect much more!

 

Oh boy......

 

Here come Hamels and Pappelbon. LOL

[TwistedLogic]

I'd lead with Travis and prioritize Smoak over Encarnacion.

 

1) Devon Travis

2) Josh Donaldson

3) Jose Bautista

4) Justin Smoak

5) Edwin Encarnacion

6) Troy Tulowitzki

7) Russell Martin

8) Chris Colabello / Kevin Pillar

9) Kevin Pillar / Dalton Pompey

[S33n]

Good read: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/troy-tulowitzki-the-blue-jays-and-upgrading-strengths/

[Spanky99]

Oh boy......

 

Here come Hamels and Pappelbon. LOL

 

They're all in man.

[Governator]

How many batters can hit from the left side now? Smoak and Carerra? John Farrell would have a heart attack trying to split up the right handed bats

[HERPDERP]

"Who wins the trade?

 

We don't know! Here, check out the review of the deal from the excellent Blue Jays Plus site [http://www.bluejaysplus.com/jays-trade-tulowitzki-rockies/]. Our pal Dan Szymborski says his ZiPS system projects Tulowitzki's contract value at plus-$40 million and Reyes' at minus-$20 million. So that suggests the Rockies need to recoup $60 million in prospect value.

 

Good luck."

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/60910/blue-jays-make-nice-upgrade-at-shortstop-with-tulowitzki

[DuckDuckGose]

Oh boy......

 

Here come Hamels and Pappelbon. LOL

 

Don't have the pieces left. I've got a feeling Hamels will be a Dodger and Shields (backloaded deal is perfect for the payroll situation) will be a Jay along with a depth guy like Haren or Colon

[KingKat]

How many batters can hit from the left side now? Smoak and Carerra? John Farrell would have a heart attack trying to split up the right handed bats

 

Good time to remind people that Pompey is a switch hitter.

[TwistedLogic]

Every GM think they have the best (or at least, above-average) decision-making and the best staff, none of them are going to be scared of trading with another team. If they thought like that, they'd be replaced.

 

I agree, I wasn't really being serious in my original post and I said that I think you misread it because I wasn't trying to imply that anybody's scared of trading with AA, only that they might get annoyed with him calling repetitively over the same player.

[G-Snarls]

How many batters can hit from the left side now? Smoak and Carerra? John Farrell would have a heart attack trying to split up the right handed bats

 

They should quickly bring the Rogers Cebtre LF fence in 10 feet and extend the RF one by 15 feet

 

FU to Cano, Ortiz and Davis

[G-Snarls]

Good time to remind people that Pompey is a switch hitter.

 

Yeah he needs to get back up here