Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[Boxcar]

This was an AA special, but closer to the Miami/Dickey kind than the Donaldson/Martin kind.

 

My initial excitement to see Reyes gone and Tulo brought in turned around 180 the moment the prospects names were mentioned (Hoffman, mostly). I would have rather traded Reyes and eat up a portion of his salary than trade Hoffman to get Tulo. Strike out rates be damned, he was still an unfinished product, and I was looking forward to seeing a new regime (minus AA/Gibby/Walker) get their hands on him and see what they could do with his raw talent. Now we'll see that....but only in Colorado. Plus, Rogers letting AA absorb a $100m contract likely means he is staying, which would be horrendous after the year we are having (plus it means Gibby stays).

 

I'm happy to see Tulo in a Jays uni, but horrible trade. Jays should have stood pat or sold, not added by subtracting from the farm. The "trade for expensive 30-somethings on free agent contracts" thing didn't work three years ago. Why go to that well again?

 

It's not anyone else's problem that you expected to get the best SS in the game while giving up nothing.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Tulo, Buehrle and Batz to the Yankees

Judge, mates and Severino to the Jays with a PTBNL if the win it all or make it to the World Series!

[Atothe]

Tulo, Buehrle and Batz to the Yankees

Judge, mates and Severino to the Jays with a PTBNL if the win it all or make it to the World Series!

 

just stop

[Angrioter]

Some dude comment

 

The reactions of "some" of the Blue Jays to this trade speaks volumes of the troubled culture with this team. How on earth Can Bautista and EE be considered your leaders with this kind of pouting? I watched the body language and overall play of both Bautista and EE last night and it screamed half-assed. I guess silly dances and handshakes are far more important to a team than winning and making the playoffs...

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

just stop

 

f*** you, *******! Why not ? Try giving a reason not just be a the f*** nob you are! Fysmc

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Some dude comment

 

Yup pouty Batz not good! Melt down in 3-2-1 f***!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Ok then Athoe lets try the mets with tulo,EE, navarro Estarda for Thor and wheeler then!

[glory]

It's not anyone else's problem that you expected to get the best SS in the game while giving up nothing.

 

I like Tulo, but the problem with adding him now (at the expense of the team's top prospect) is that you are paying him $100m over five years for what he did in the past, not necessarily what you can reasonably expect from him in his 30's going forward. So right off the bat that should have been a warning flag, especially since we saw Reyes erode before our eyes in a similar fashion. Secondly, look what happened the past couple of seasons with ownership. Made a big splash and then refused to spend more to put the team over the top. What's the point of having Tulo, Donaldson, Bautista, Martin, etc, if ownership is going to cut spending from there?

 

That leads to the final point, and that's the rotation after this season. Buehrle's gone. Estrada's gone. Dickey might have to be brought back just for lack of options but he could be gone. Sanchez is in the pen and likely better off over there. Osuna will hit his career high in IP this season and it will be as a reliever, so there's no way he'll be ready for a SP workoad next season. Stroman will have missed an entire year. Norris took a step backwards. Boyd is a #5 starter or a reliever depending on who you ask. There's just so many question marks on this team, and so little in the way of affordable young SP talent that help will need to come from outside the organization. That costs money and/or more prospects.

 

If you play for 1 or 2 years, that's all you'll get in a best case scenario. The Jays should be trying to build a sustainable winner. That won't happen if they keep trading top pitching prospects for $100m contracts attached to 30-somethings. This deal is not as bad as the Marlins/Dickey trade, but shouldn't be grouped with Donaldson either. It's somewhere in between. Much like the Jays over the past 20 years. Not bad, not great, but somewhere in between. The treadmill keeps rolling.

[jays76]

I like Tulo, but the problem with adding him now (at the expense of the team's top prospect) is that you are paying him $100m over five years for what he did in the past, not necessarily what you can reasonably expect from him in his 30's going forward. So right off the bat that should have been a warning flag, especially since we saw Reyes erode before our eyes in a similar fashion. Secondly, look what happened the past couple of seasons with ownership. Made a big splash and then refused to spend more to put the team over the top. What's the point of having Tulo, Donaldson, Bautista, Martin, etc, if ownership is going to cut spending from there?

 

That leads to the final point, and that's the rotation after this season. Buehrle's gone. Estrada's gone. Dickey might have to be brought back just for lack of options but he could be gone. Sanchez is in the pen and likely better off over there. Osuna will hit his career high in IP this season and it will be as a reliever, so there's no way he'll be ready for a SP workoad next season. Stroman will have missed an entire year. Norris took a step backwards. Boyd is a #5 starter or a reliever depending on who you ask. There's just so many question marks on this team, and so little in the way of affordable young SP talent that help will need to come from outside the organization. That costs money and/or more prospects.

 

If you play for 1 or 2 years, that's all you'll get in a best case scenario. The Jays should be trying to build a sustainable winner. That won't happen if they keep trading top pitching prospects for $100m contracts attached to 30-somethings. This deal is not as bad as the Marlins/Dickey trade, but shouldn't be grouped with Donaldson either. It's somewhere in between. Much like the Jays over the past 20 years. Not bad, not great, but somewhere in between. The treadmill keeps rolling.

 

Some good points but he's got until Friday to land some pitchers. To be honest I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't reel anything in though, whatever you expect from AA usually goes the opposite way.

[BlueBirdBro]

Reyes and Buerhle pouted hard after they were traded. They certainly didn't look grumpy after too long.

[IronLadle]

There are some replacement level and above names Hech and Lawrie in there I like, but I don't get too excited about that list. Syndergaard hurts the most.

 

End of this year we will have gotten 1200 IP out of those starters and an absolute stud in JD. Tulo it remains to be seen. The issue is health.

 

The issue is depth and how AA continues to trade it away for big name players who don't improve the team that much. This guy makes trades like a 13 year old playing video games.

[Atothe]

Bautista was pouting yesterday, I don't see Bats and EE remaining with this team.

 

Martin, Tulo, Donaldson are the leaders

 

Don't make me follow you around every thread and troll you for as long as you're here. Get your s*** together and be sensible.

[L54]

f*** you, *******! Why not ? Try giving a reason not just be a the f*** nob you are! Fysmc

 

No need for the insults BBBB. You should know better, you're the one always crying about people being too mean.

[Atothe]

The issue is depth and how AA continues to trade it away for big name players who don't improve the team that much. This guy makes trades like a 13 year old playing video games.

 

Surprised you aren't banned yet. Terrible poster

[DuckDuckGose]

No need for the insults BBBB. You should know better, you're the one always crying about people being too mean.

 

I could see one-of or both of them being moved in the off-season but there is an almost 0% chance either is moved mid-season.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

No need for the insults BBBB. You should know better, you're the one always crying about people being too mean.

 

Never cried , pointed out that some on here are *******s and that there is a hive attidude, dude!

 

What I don't like is blow hard know it all's that think there are smart and know it all, yet give flip replies or take digs but never any reasons as to why?

 

Never heard any of these genius's offer up a trade idea but yet bash others who do.

Also don't remember any of them calling the Donaldson or Tulo trades before they happened either!

 

So nobody knows and any trade can happen if two teams decide it to be soo, thought we might have learned by now, any trade can happen or be possible by now! Vernon wells rios etc etc etc

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Surprised you aren't banned yet. Terrible poster

 

Bet some think the same of you! Lol

[Ryan8888]

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. I just had a quick question about this deal. Would there be any chance that Tulo was picked up with the chance of being flipped? I know as a result of being traded from the Rockies he gets a full no movement clause, but he may not be really happy to be coming to Toronto (complete speculation on my part of course). Some of the packages that the Rockies were asking for from the Mets and Cardinals in particular were filled with good young arms. Is the Jays offence good enough to bury a bat like Goins at the bottom of the roster in order to pick up some young controllable pitching for Tulo?

[HERPDERP]

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. I just had a quick question about this deal. Would there be any chance that Tulo was picked up with the chance of being flipped? I know as a result of being traded from the Rockies he gets a full no movement clause, but he may not be really happy to be coming to Toronto (complete speculation on my part of course). Some of the packages that the Rockies were asking for from the Mets and Cardinals in particular were filled with good young arms. Is the Jays offence good enough to bury a bat like Goins at the bottom of the roster in order to pick up some young controllable pitching for Tulo?

 

I have no problem flipping Tulo elsewhere, but as you mentioned he has a NTC now and any trade we would need a shortstop in return - either an MLB ready one or a top prospect.

 

He also does not want to go to the Mets.

 

I don't mind having Goins play SS.

[DuckDuckGose]

Breakdown of the trade:

 

http://www.breakingblue.ca/2015/07/29/blue-jays-do-well-in-acquiring-troy-tulowitzki/

 

The trade rests a large part on what you think of Jeff Hoffman.

 

I think it really comes down to whether the Jays make the playoffs in the next two seasons. If they make the playoffs losing a young ace (if one of Hoffman, Tinoco or Castro pans out that way) wont matter.

[Boxcar]

I like Tulo, but the problem with adding him now (at the expense of the team's top prospect) is that you are paying him $100m over five years for what he did in the past, not necessarily what you can reasonably expect from him in his 30's going forward. So right off the bat that should have been a warning flag, especially since we saw Reyes erode before our eyes in a similar fashion. Secondly, look what happened the past couple of seasons with ownership. Made a big splash and then refused to spend more to put the team over the top. What's the point of having Tulo, Donaldson, Bautista, Martin, etc, if ownership is going to cut spending from there?

 

That leads to the final point, and that's the rotation after this season. Buehrle's gone. Estrada's gone. Dickey might have to be brought back just for lack of options but he could be gone. Sanchez is in the pen and likely better off over there. Osuna will hit his career high in IP this season and it will be as a reliever, so there's no way he'll be ready for a SP workoad next season. Stroman will have missed an entire year. Norris took a step backwards. Boyd is a #5 starter or a reliever depending on who you ask. There's just so many question marks on this team, and so little in the way of affordable young SP talent that help will need to come from outside the organization. That costs money and/or more prospects.

 

If you play for 1 or 2 years, that's all you'll get in a best case scenario. The Jays should be trying to build a sustainable winner. That won't happen if they keep trading top pitching prospects for $100m contracts attached to 30-somethings. This deal is not as bad as the Marlins/Dickey trade, but shouldn't be grouped with Donaldson either. It's somewhere in between. Much like the Jays over the past 20 years. Not bad, not great, but somewhere in between. The treadmill keeps rolling.

 

I'm not going to judge until the deadline is passed. Tulowitzki is as big an upgrade over Reyes as adding a decent starter, though.

[BTS]

I like Tulo, but the problem with adding him now (at the expense of the team's top prospect) is that you are paying him $100m over five years for what he did in the past, not necessarily what you can reasonably expect from him in his 30's going forward. So right off the bat that should have been a warning flag, especially since we saw Reyes erode before our eyes in a similar fashion. Secondly, look what happened the past couple of seasons with ownership. Made a big splash and then refused to spend more to put the team over the top. What's the point of having Tulo, Donaldson, Bautista, Martin, etc, if ownership is going to cut spending from there?

 

That leads to the final point, and that's the rotation after this season. Buehrle's gone. Estrada's gone. Dickey might have to be brought back just for lack of options but he could be gone. Sanchez is in the pen and likely better off over there. Osuna will hit his career high in IP this season and it will be as a reliever, so there's no way he'll be ready for a SP workoad next season. Stroman will have missed an entire year. Norris took a step backwards. Boyd is a #5 starter or a reliever depending on who you ask. There's just so many question marks on this team, and so little in the way of affordable young SP talent that help will need to come from outside the organization. That costs money and/or more prospects.

 

If you play for 1 or 2 years, that's all you'll get in a best case scenario. The Jays should be trying to build a sustainable winner. That won't happen if they keep trading top pitching prospects for $100m contracts attached to 30-somethings. This deal is not as bad as the Marlins/Dickey trade, but shouldn't be grouped with Donaldson either. It's somewhere in between. Much like the Jays over the past 20 years. Not bad, not great, but somewhere in between. The treadmill keeps rolling.

 

I think this is a fair assessment.

[DuckDuckGose]

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. I just had a quick question about this deal. Would there be any chance that Tulo was picked up with the chance of being flipped? I know as a result of being traded from the Rockies he gets a full no movement clause, but he may not be really happy to be coming to Toronto (complete speculation on my part of course). Some of the packages that the Rockies were asking for from the Mets and Cardinals in particular were filled with good young arms. Is the Jays offence good enough to bury a bat like Goins at the bottom of the roster in order to pick up some young controllable pitching for Tulo?

 

No chance he's being flipped mid-season (anything is possible in the off-season but it would still be very unlikely). The Jays are all-in.

[Deadpool]

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. I just had a quick question about this deal. Would there be any chance that Tulo was picked up with the chance of being flipped? I know as a result of being traded from the Rockies he gets a full no movement clause, but he may not be really happy to be coming to Toronto (complete speculation on my part of course). Some of the packages that the Rockies were asking for from the Mets and Cardinals in particular were filled with good young arms. Is the Jays offence good enough to bury a bat like Goins at the bottom of the roster in order to pick up some young controllable pitching for Tulo?

 

Chance? Yep, but I think it's unlikely, and almost no chance that it happens this season (look at all the Tulo jerseys they've already sold!). Could certainly get a reasonable haul for him, but the no trade limits where he goes to teams that he likes.

 

Welcome, BTW.

[Captain Adama]

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. I just had a quick question about this deal. Would there be any chance that Tulo was picked up with the chance of being flipped? I know as a result of being traded from the Rockies he gets a full no movement clause, but he may not be really happy to be coming to Toronto (complete speculation on my part of course). Some of the packages that the Rockies were asking for from the Mets and Cardinals in particular were filled with good young arms. Is the Jays offence good enough to bury a bat like Goins at the bottom of the roster in order to pick up some young controllable pitching for Tulo?

 

Probably not, the departure of Tulo leaves Goins bat in the starting lineup with no replacement, secondly Colorado probably asked so much cause it probably meant they would be eating a portion of Tulo's salary. Something the Jays don't want.

[Boxcar]

Holy hell, Steamer took a big fat dump on Tulo's ROS projection. 104 wRC+? wat

[Stangstag]

Never cried , pointed out that some on here are *******s and that there is a hive attidude, dude!

 

What I don't like is blow hard know it all's that think there are smart and know it all, yet give flip or take digs but never any reasons as to why?

 

Your trade proposals make absolutely NO sense. You have no perception of the actual value of prospects and major leaguers. That's why we keep telling you to stop.

[Stangstag]

Holy hell, Steamer took a big fat dump on Tulo's ROS projection. 104 wRC+? wat

 

We'll see

[DuckDuckGose]

I'm not going to judge until the deadline is passed. Tulowitzki is as big an upgrade over Reyes as adding a decent starter, though.

 

HUGE upgrade. Tulo over Reyes is the same improvement as Martin over Navarro.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Are we sure the Jays are all in? Should they be, even? Or is this just the start of a re-tooling?

 

Guess by Friday we all will know!