Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[Governator]

Stop being scared of this deal, we just upgraded our team and its still 4 days before trade deadline. We just got a two time Gold Glover at a position that has been a defensive liability since Reyes has been here. Tulo gets on base even more than Reyes ever has for us. This is a pretty big sign that more is to come, so prepare yourself if saying bye to Hoffman and Castro scares you.

[JFD]

Who bats leadoff now? Travis?

 

I would sandwich him between Donaldson and Bautista with Donaldson leading off.

[Governator]

At least I don't have to hear Pat Tabler say Reyes has been the spark of this line up 4x per game.

[Atothe]

I'd prefer he stuck to dealing with dumb teams.

 

I don't think so, A's are a smart team. Plus Puig is disliked by teammates causing tension so I doubt they will be asking for the moon

[Brownie19]

Some of you need to sleep more.

[Brownie19]

Please now find a way to deal EE for a pitcher, bring up Pompey to play LF and call it a day AA.

[TwistedLogic]

WHAT THE f*** HAPPENED LAST NIGHT? Why did I go to sleep?

[TwistedLogic]

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[Ambassador Ch0n]

Baseball writers, and fans are racist. It's 100% true.

 

Everyone in the history of humanity is racist/sexist/ageist/whateverthef***ist if you piss them off enough, get over it already.

 

Seriously man, you gotta stretch if you're going to try to troll this hard, you're going to pull something old timer. ;-)

[TwistedLogic]

HOW ARE JOSH DONALDSON AND TROY TULOWITZKI ON THE SAME. f***ING. TEAM?

 

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[Ambassador Ch0n]

no it's 100% true. White hitters are called bulldogs, gamers, muckers. Same type of player being black or latino are called cancers, primadonnas. We have seen it with the Jays for years.

 

You are SO butthurted in the butt right now, it's hilarious!

 

How 'bout 'dem Rays......lel.

[Brenner]

Tulo with his high OBP should be htting 1st or 2nd. Just trade out Reyes for Tulo.

[Angrioter]

David Schoenfield ‏

Let's see, Jose Reyes is a bad defensive SS with a .322 OBP and little power making $22M. Good luck trading him, Rockies.

[Boxcar]

I don't think so, A's are a smart team. Plus Puig is disliked by teammates causing tension so I doubt they will be asking for the moon

 

Given AA's overemphasis on "the clubhouse" I doubt the Jays are interested. I wouldn't want to pay out the ass for Puig tbh, he might not be the hitter most people think he is.

[CHRIS]

if they were gonna be buyers it should have been pitching...

 

Improving is improving.

 

Perhaps adding another big bat allows them to target a mid-tier starter at a lower cost than an ace who only has to be better than Doubront. Hawkins, Sanchez, Osuna, Bo, Hendriks is turning into a pretty nice little bullpen.

[Frenchsoup]

AA is a mad man i love it. Now upgrade LF and SP.

[baloojayz]

I don't know what to think about this trade... I get that Tulo is a superstar but I mean...

 

if they were gonna be buyers it should have been pitching...

 

Just be glad we gave up Hoffman for someone with control and not a rental.

[baloojayz]

Does this trade mean we are all in? Idk seems like it was more of a trade for the next 4 years. Wouldn't count on another big trade before the deadline.

[KingKat]

I think 5+ years of Tulo is a lot more desirable than 3+ years of Reyes at this point. We're basically setting back the clock here and potentially elite years out of shortstop during the Bautista/Encarnacion window. That's worth a lot to this team and I think there's reason to be somewhat optimistic that Tulo will decline more gracefully than Reyes. Both have injury issues but Tulo has always been a better defender. He should maintain a better level of shortstop play in his declining years and I think that will go a long way in making the back end of his contract easier to live with. Beyond the fact that people seem to prefer surly white guys to happy brown guys, fans also really have a disproportionate dislike of defensive miscues and play that doesn't look fundamentaly sound. I'm pretty sure that even if they were both brown and a the same stage in their career, Tulo would get more love on account of solid defense and it's not an illegimate preference. Defensive value is not more important than offensive value but it's a bit more stable and should give a declining Tulo a better floor than a declining Reyes and he's not exactly Ryan Goins at the plate either.

 

As far as preferring pitching over Tulo, you can't be so single-minded in your pursuits as to ignore obvious opportunities to improve your team. If you can't get better starting pitching, the next best thing is improving the defense and bullpen and this trade does both of those thing. You're basically accomplishing three things here. Getting a shortstop upgrade on both sides of the ball, getting rid of bad contract that's now redundant and getting a reliever. And to make it even better, for all practical purposes, you're only trading away one prospect for each of those things. That's great value. Assuming that the Stroman for Cueto rumours are true, would that have really been prefferable? Is it better to make a bad trade just because it involves a starting pitcher than to make a good one that doesn't? Jays might still add starting pitching anyways but whether or not they do doesn't change the merit of this trade.

[TwistedLogic]

It's funny how I almost made a post yesterday about how I wouldn't trade for Tulowitzki because his injury record disgusts me, and while that's true, I still lost my s*** when I saw the at-bat alert for this trade.

 

That being said, please come back Jeff

[Atothe]

If AA can go get Carrasco without giving up Stroman, I say go for it

[HERPDERP]

Someone needs to make a poll.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

no it's 100% true. White hitters are called bulldogs, gamers, muckers. Same type of player being black or latino are called cancers, primadonnas. We have seen it with the Jays for years.

 

Lind?

[nonamejays]

Even adding Tepera and possibly Joba to that list makes the pen actually fairly decent.

 

Hawkins, Sanchez, Osuna, Schultz, Hendriks, Tepera, Joba and Cecil is a good pen.

 

Now if they can get a starter or two, the Jays might take off in the next couple months. Trade EE for one and have Smoak/Colabello play 1st/DH and you'll have almost the same production from EE from the other two guys while upgrading the pitching. Bring up Pompey to get rid of Carrera as well to upgrade the lineup further.

[Spanky99]

This sounds like something a caller would say on Mike Wilner's show.

 

I heard him call into Amy Lawrence on ESPN All Night.

[Governator]

I think 5+ years of Tulo is a lot more desirable than 3+ years of Reyes at this point. We're basically setting back the clock here and potentially elite years out of shortstop during the Bautista/Encarnacion window. That's worth a lot to this team and I think there's reason to be somewhat optimistic that Tulo will decline more gracefully than Reyes. Both have injury issues but Tulo has always been a better defender. He should maintain a better level of shortstop play in his declining years and I think that will go a long way in making the back end of his contract easier to live with. Beyond the fact that people seem to prefer surly white guys to happy brown guys, fans also really have a disproportionate dislike of defensive miscues and play that doesn't look fundamentaly sound. I'm pretty sure that even if they were both brown and a the same stage in their career, Tulo would get more love on account of solid defense and it's not an illegimate preference. Defensive value is not more important than offensive value but it's a bit more stable and should give a declining Tulo a better floor than a declining Reyes and he's not exactly Ryan Goins at the plate either.

 

As far as preferring pitching over Tulo, you can't be so single-minded in your pursuits as to ignore obvious opportunities to improve your team. If you can't get better starting pitching, the next best thing is improving the defense and bullpen and this trade does both of those thing. You're basically accomplishing three things here. Getting a shortstop upgrade on both sides of the ball, getting rid of bad contract that's now redundant and getting a reliever. And to make it even better, for all practical purposes, you're only trading away one prospect for each of those things. That's great value. Assuming that the Stroman for Cueto rumours are true, would that have really been prefferable? Is it better to make a bad trade just because it involves a starting pitcher than to make a good one that doesn't? Jays might still add pitching anyways but whether or not they do doesn't change the merit of this trade.

 

Well put

[puphood]

Four more days left to make me happy. Get a starter and LF ........

[Governator]

I wonder if there is a list of teams EE would consider a trade to.

[Devo1980]

I wonder if Edwin for Jeff Samardzija could make sense now. White Sox have great pitching and no offence. Might help them reload for next year.

[RealAccountant]

So what will AA use to get pitching now. As it stands even after this year we have 2 starters pencilled in Stroman and Hutch.

 

This is great. We need pitching