Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[nmrch]

They said it was going to take a couple years of research plus the renovation. They have to dig up the foundation of Rogers Centre and add a drainage system. We are atleast 3 years away from grass.

 

and that's a conservative estimate i think. The team just isn't that motivated about it, if they do go through with it it'll take 5+ years imo

[TheHurl]

I dunno, I'm just weary of Tulo's aging in general. I had several multi-page arguments about him last year. Players who had a hard time staying healthy in their 20s aren't guys I want to rely on into their mid 30s.

 

while I agree about Tulo, and don't think there is any chance he puts up $60M in positive value on that contract (the rising K Rate is the first sign). This trade isn't about long term value, nor about what prospects they gave up. If the Jays make the playoffs it's probably worth it (plus I bet the box office is going to be busy tomorrow).

[nextyear]

Donaldson is an *******? I love Reyes' personality, I just hate the fact that his defense turned to s*** this year.

 

Donaldson stood up for Reyes according to this story - http://www.torontosun.com/2015/07/13/jays-donaldson-backs-jose-reyes

 

But when I read it I wondered if Donaldson had a tough time thinking of something good to say.

 

“Reyes is one of the best shortstops in the game and I’m not making excuses for him,” Donaldson told reporters.

 

The third baseman defended Reyes and his two-error Sunday saying “it was like 110 degrees on the field in KC. They didn’t water the field, so it was like concrete. I think he let both balls play him.”

 

Who is the better defensive shortstop Ryan Goins or Reyes?

 

“Reyes makes $22 million or whatever, of course Reyes is better,” said Donaldson. “I want the ball hit to Jose Reyes when the game is on the line.”

 

Making $22 million a year doesn't seem like a reason to have confidence in Reyes at SS (especially this year).

 

I am glad Donaldson is on the Blue Jays. He really seems like a team player who wants to win.

[nmrch]

My observation is that you seem a bit too delicate for the internet, and also that you seem a bit on the crazy side.

 

Thanks for the therapy session, i didn't know i was getting that when i was replying to idiotic posts.

[Boxcar]

He's a huge ******* and so is Tulo

 

- Queen B

[Stangstag]

Donaldson is a liar. We got raped. Atleast Lawrie was honest.

 

Haha

[nextyear]

Donaldson is a liar. We got raped. Atleast Lawrie was honest.

 

 

I thought everyone loved Donaldson as a player?

 

I just reread your post. I guess you meant Donaldson was lying about Reyes. I guess I must be a bit slow.

[5minutesforframing]

We wouldn't have had to give up future ace Jeff Hoffman and HOF reliever Miguel Castro for Tulo if AA just drafted him instead of Ricky Romero. So if you want somebody to blame. Blame J. P. Ricciardi.

 

Very valid point

[over500]

if AA just drafted him instead of Ricky Romero. So if you want somebody to blame. Blame J. P. Ricciardi.

wut

[CJ-Freeway]

Holy f***ing s***. I just found out about this trade. Excited as f*** but kinda disappointed we gave Hoffman... and also wtf is AA going to do to get pitching? Trade EE?

[Stangstag]

We wouldn't have had to give up future ace Jeff Hoffman and HOF reliever Miguel Castro for Tulo if J.P. just drafted him instead of Ricky Romero. So if you want somebody to blame. Blame J. P. Ricciardi.

 

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[over500]

Stop editing my posts.

what a strange person.

[Stangstag]

Holy f***ing s***. I just found out about this trade. Excited as f*** but kinda disappointed we gave Hoffman... and also wtf is AA going to do to get pitching? Trade EE?

 

That's what im thinking

[TheHurl]

first pic of Latroy Hawkins in his Jays uniform...

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1816790.1399844802!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

[woods of ypres]

I'm sorry, but this trade f***ing blows.

 

We didn't need another bat. Reyes was serviceable. We lead the the majors in runs scored, and 2nd in run differential in baseball. Let me get this right: we acquire a shortstop who costs twice as much, can't stay healthy (and now he's playing on turf.), and we gave up some of our better prospects to do it.

 

We should have used those two lads we lost to get Hamels, Price, Samardzija, Gallardo, etc.

[Caper]

I'm sorry, but this trade f***ing blows.

 

We didn't need another bat. Reyes was serviceable. We lead the the majors in runs scored, and 2nd in run differential in baseball. Let me get this right: we acquire a shortstop who costs twice as much, can't stay healthy (and now he's playing on turf.), and we gave up some of our better prospects to do it.

 

We should have used those two lads we lost to get Hamels, Price, Samardzija, Gallardo, etc.

 

 

 

I feel that if we have had Tulo from the start we'd be in the wild card right now.

[nmrch]

I'm sorry, but this trade blows.

 

We didn't need another bat. Reyes was serviceable. Let me get this right: we acquire a shortstop who costs twice as much, can't stay healthy (and now he's playing on turf.), and we gave up some of our better prospects to do it.

 

We should have used those two lads we lost to get Hamels, Price, Samardzija, Gallardo, etc.

 

not defending this trade one way or the other but the idea that "we don't need another bat" is wrong. The point is to outscore the other team, a run scored is the same as a run prevented. If the Jays can upgrade at LF or 1B{altbough i like Pompey and Smoak) at a cheaper price than they can upgrade the rotation it would help the team just as much. The Jays don't just need to pitch better, they need to be a better team overall, it doesn't matter how you do it

 

I personally like the trade because i'm not a believer of either CAstro or Hoffman, if it was Pompey and Norris it would be a different story but i don't think we give up long term big leaguer in this trade.

[woods of ypres]

I feel that if we have had Tulo from the start we'd be in the wild card right now.

 

Maybe. But I'd rather go for an arm.

[5minutesforframing]

Maybe. But I'd rather go for an arm.

 

AA is not done

[King]

Jays jerking of Castro has come to an end.

 

From A ball starter to MLB spring training standout to being handed the Jays closer role.. then sent down to buffalo as a RP, DL for a while, Dunedin as a RP, back to Buffalo...

 

This orgs handling of Castro was awful, to say the least

[woods of ypres]

not defending this trade one way or the other but the idea that "we don't need another bat" is wrong. The point is to outscore the other team, a run scored is the same as a run prevented. If the Jays can upgrade at LF or 1B{altbough i like Pompey and Smoak) at a cheaper price than they can upgrade the rotation it would help the team just as much. The Jays don't just need to pitch better, they need to be a better team overall, it doesn't matter how you do it

 

I personally like the trade because i'm not a believer of either CAstro or Hoffman, of it was Pompey and Norris it would be a different story but i don't we give up long term big leaguer in this trade.

 

Sure. And I get what you're saying, but: if we're going to give up top prospects why not use it to shore up our weakness first. Adding another bat is fine, but wait until we get a starter and some pen help.

 

Jays' rotation is 21st in fWAR

Jays' bullpen is 14th in fWAR

Jays' line up is 3rd in fWAR.

[nmrch]

Maybe. But I'd rather go for an arm.

 

nstead, however, the Blue Jays decided to upgrade what was already a strength, adding another right-handed slugger to a line-up already deep in good right-handed hitters, swapping shortstops with the Rockies in a deal that takes them from Jose Reyes to Troy Tulowitzki. In no uncertain terms, this is an upgrade, as a healthy Tulowitzki remains the best shortstop in baseball, even if he hasn’t played like it this year. But it’s not the kind of upgrade we were expecting Toronto to make, and it’s certainly a bit unusual to see a team with the best offense in baseball use their prospect currency to add another hitter.

 

But unusual doesn’t mean incorrect. While I’m sure there will be plenty of people arguing that the Blue Jays should have taken the path of least resistance and upgraded the pitching staff instead, the reality in baseball is that a run is a run is a run. You win games by outscoring your opponents, and you don’t get any less credit for winning 7-5 than you do 5-3. Troy Tulowitzki will help the Blue Jays score more runs, so while he’s not going to help the team’s run prevention improve that much, those runs he creates will still count in the final tally.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/troy-tulowitzki-the-blue-jays-and-upgrading-strengths/

[TheHurl]

an upgrade is an upgrade. a Full win upgrade on the offensive side is just as difficult to find as a 1 win pitcher for the rest of the year. But at this point it's still all on paper...they actually have to at some point win like they are projected to.

[CJ-Freeway]

I'm sorry, but this trade f***ing blows.

 

We didn't need another bat. Reyes was serviceable. We lead the the majors in runs scored, and 2nd in run differential in baseball. Let me get this right: we acquire a shortstop who costs twice as much, can't stay healthy (and now he's playing on turf.), and we gave up some of our better prospects to do it.

 

We should have used those two lads we lost to get Hamels, Price, Samardzija, Gallardo, etc.

 

Yeah honestly, I am doubtful of this trade. Reyes possibly really pissed off management with all his errors. I think AA wanted to solve the shortstop question for the long run. But Hoffman could have been used to get an ace....

 

Anyhow...

 

I'll miss Reyes even though his defense sucked. His energy was contagious and his handshakes were funny as hell. Especially that one with Russell haha.

[woods of ypres]

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I understand where you guys are coming from, and I don't mind getting a bat (why the expensive, often injured guy?), but I think we had more pressing needs first.

[Maahfaace]

an upgrade is an upgrade. a Full win upgrade on the offensive side is just as difficult to find as a 1 win pitcher for the rest of the year. But at this point it's still all on paper...they actually have to at some point win like they are projected to.

 

Not to mention he's twice the defender that bum Reyes is!!!!

[Maahfaace]

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I understand where you guys are coming from. But I still respectfully disagree.

 

He's not done for sure. But expect our farm to be gutted by Aug 1

[CJ-Freeway]

Reyes was a great guy and a good player. I'm actually sad to see him leave (no homo)

[TheHurl]

Jays jerking of Castro has come to an end.

 

From A ball starter to MLB spring training standout to being handed the Jays closer role.. then sent down to buffalo as a RP, DL for a while, Dunedin as a RP, back to Buffalo...

 

This orgs handling of Castro was awful, to say the least

 

sending him to Coors might be the cruelest part of it all

[woods of ypres]

He's not done for sure. But expect our farm to be gutted by Aug 1

 

Our poor farm is like an dark age Atlantic settlement just waiting to be pillaged by vikings.