2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Brownie19]

You're right. It doesn't matter that AA is on the last year of his contract with a team that has a 40% chance of making the playoffs... This is clearly the time to sell.

 

The decisions AA makes now set up his resume for his next GM job. If I'm looking to hire a GM and I see at this last job he was irresponsible, selling top prospects to make a hail mary attempt at the playoffs - I don't want that guy anywhere near my team.

 

Luckily - I actually don't think AA will make moves just to 'save his job'. Bad GM's do that.

[Swervin81]

Do people realistically think that Buehrle has any trade value? He's an old pitcher who derives most of his value from being durable and pitching a ton of innings, that becomes nearly useless when you acquire him to pitch less than half of a season for your team. He's not particularly elite and not cheap either, when you have guys like Shark, Cueto (not anymore), Ross, Cashner, no one is looking at Buehrle as their potential go-to guy in the playoffs or to give you those additional wins that will get you there. He's more valuable to us as a reliable innings eater than whatever D-level prospect or cash considerations we would be able to get for him.

 

Yeah, I highly doubt a reliable, but back of the rotation guy is really on most bucket lists, especially at that coin and especially with shortening rotations in the playoffs. Not sold on Buehrle out of the pen.

[5minutesforframing]

Yeah, I highly doubt a reliable, but back of the rotation guy is really on most bucket lists, especially at that coin and especially with shortening rotations in the playoffs. Not sold on Buehrle out of the pen.

 

The pen?

[Swervin81]

The pen?

 

Buehrle's a #4/5 guy ideally. Most of those types get moved to the pen in your standard 3 man rotation in the playoffs. Unless a team wants to go 4 man in the DS to get the ace in for game 5, then sure, Buehrle can start game 4.

 

I'm talking from a playoff team's perspective, not necessarily ours.

[glory]

Put Pompey in left, Norris or Boyd in the rotation, and whatever happens from there happens.

 

Don't trade for any reinforcements if it costs any meaningful prospect. Alex and Gibbons are s***. Don't let them leave any sort of stench in the organization once they are gone.

[Daniel Labude]

If Travis could be the centerpiece for Samardzija I could live with that. I don't think the Travis we saw to start this season is anywhere close to the player he'll ultimately be (I'm referring the power outburst). I'd sell high if I could.

 

Time to ignore

[jaysfan2014]

This year the AL suck.....This is the year. Royals, Twins making the playoffs lol

 

Royals yes, Twins no. Twins are a sub .500 team if you take out their 20-7 May. It likely explains why the Twins have not been linked to any rumors. Still a good chance Toronto, Baltimore, Tampa, Detroit and Texas will still be in it by the deadline and into August. Heck, Chicago could still be in it.. they're only 5 back of the Twins.

[DuckDuckGose]

Jays should be trading for next year....

 

trade MB, RA, Navarro, Edwin and Reyes to get pieces for next year.

 

Wholeheartedly agree, but they should trade for MLB ready guys to try and still make a WC push.

 

I know people don't think the Jays would get good value from MB or Reyes buy IMO MB would be the be the next best pitcher on the market after Shark and Reyes would likely be the top position player moved. I think they'd both bring in a couple nice pieces.

[jaysfan2014]

Jays could be done by the end of the month.

 

Not with the Phillies on the sked, and a Royals team that was pummeled in New York earlier this season in a small ballpark. even with Cueto, I don't really care for that pitching staff at the Rogers Centre. And we have the Twins we're chasing next week.

[Angrioter]

Do people realistically think that Buehrle has any trade value? He's an old pitcher who derives most of his value from being durable and pitching a ton of innings, that becomes nearly useless when you acquire him to pitch less than half of a season for your team. He's not particularly elite and not cheap either, when you have guys like Shark, Cueto (not anymore), Ross, Cashner, no one is looking at Buehrle as their potential go-to guy in the playoffs or to give you those additional wins that will get you there. He's more valuable to us as a reliable innings eater than whatever D-level prospect or cash considerations we would be able to get for him.

 

Disagree.

 

Buehrle is one of the most prestigious figure at MLB. Buehrle isn't just a good pitcher, he,s also a man that every team would like to have in his clubhouse for the playoffs. It is not just a matter of numbers.

[Smokey]

The decisions AA makes now set up his resume for his next GM job. If I'm looking to hire a GM and I see at this last job he was irresponsible, selling top prospects to make a hail mary attempt at the playoffs - I don't want that guy anywhere near my team.

 

Luckily - I actually don't think AA will make moves just to 'save his job'. Bad GM's do that.

 

Last month I was hearing things like "this is a .600 pythag team and the playoffs are a lock" and now suddenly it will require a "hail mary" attempt for them to get in. In reality not much has changed since then besides the number of games remaining. The 40% chance of making the playoffs could be significantly improved with an addition of an arm or two and there's simply no excuse for sitting on your hands at a time like this.

 

Btw, if AA was a good GM the fanbase wouldn't be this despaired 6 years after him taking charge.

[Brownie19]

Disagree.

 

Buehrle is one of the most prestigious figure at MLB. Buehrle isn't just a good pitcher, he,s also a man that every team would like to have in his clubhouse for the playoffs. It is not just a matter of numbers.

 

Agreed. People say he should be a 4/5....not many teams have 3 WAR 4th/5th starters.

[Brownie19]

Last month I was hearing things like "this is a .600 pythag team and the playoffs are a lock" and now suddenly it will require a "hail mary" attempt for them to get in. In reality not much has changed since then besides the number of games remaining. The 40% chance of making the playoffs could be significantly improved with an addition of an arm or two and there's simply no excuse for sitting on your hands at a time like this.

 

Btw, if AA was a good GM the fanbase wouldn't be this despaired 6 years after him taking charge.

 

Good GM's don't give a s*** about what the fan base thinks. Not all fans are despaired.

[Brownie19]

Last month I was hearing things like "this is a .600 pythag team and the playoffs are a lock" and now suddenly it will require a "hail mary" attempt for them to get in. In reality not much has changed since then besides the number of games remaining. The 40% chance of making the playoffs could be significantly improved with an addition of an arm or two and there's simply no excuse for sitting on your hands at a time like this.

 

Btw, if AA was a good GM the fanbase wouldn't be this despaired 6 years after him taking charge.

 

The point remains that good GM's done make stupid trades to try and save their jobs because it hurts their resume for future job opportunities.

[jaysfan2014]

Last month I was hearing things like "this is a .600 pythag team and the playoffs are a lock" and now suddenly it will require a "hail mary" attempt for them to get in. In reality not much has changed since then besides the number of games remaining. The 40% chance of making the playoffs could be significantly improved with an addition of an arm or two and there's simply no excuse for sitting on your hands at a time like this.

 

Btw, if AA was a good GM the fanbase wouldn't be this despaired 6 years after him taking charge.

 

I agree. Hurry up and add an arm, AA! Don't just sit there.

[Smokey]

The point remains that good GM's done make stupid trades to try and save their jobs because it hurts their resume for future job opportunities.

 

Why does improving their chance at making the playoffs have to be a "stupid move" (as long as it's not a significant overpay)? Are you not confident in the doughboy being able to pull off a decent mid season move to address a glaring hole?

[jaysfan2014]

Why does improving their chance at making the playoffs have to be a "stupid move" (as long as it's not a significant overpay)? Are you not confident in the doughboy being able to pull off a decent mid season move to address a glaring hole?

 

Hey, at least we didn't give up 3 pitching prospects like the Royals for 3 months of Cueto, especially when their window slams shut after the 2015 season (Gordon's a free agent, one of Davis/Holland will be traded due to salary issues.. actually, Davis could be a free agent if the Royals don't want to pay his raise.).. and Escobar is getting closer to free agency as well. If he didn't have that cheap option, he'd be getting $15M+/year in free agency.

 

And Cain/Moustakas are due HUGE raises. Whether the Royals sustain success will depend on their farm system development. They have lots of pitching talent in the system, but not so on position players.. Raul Mondesi and Hunter Dozier have taken huge steps back this season, and Bubba Starling still is a question mark.

[Swervin81]

Hey, at least we didn't give up 3 pitching prospects like the Royals for 3 months of Cueto, especially when their window slams shut after the 2015 season (Gordon's a free agent, one of Davis/Holland will be traded due to salary issues.. actually, Davis could be a free agent if the Royals don't want to pay his raise.).. and Escobar is getting closer to free agency as well. If he didn't have that cheap option, he'd be getting $15M+/year in free agency.

 

And Cain/Moustakas are due HUGE raises. Whether the Royals sustain success will depend on their farm system development. They have lots of pitching talent in the system, but not so on position players.. Raul Mondesi and Hunter Dozier have taken huge steps back this season, and Bubba Starling still is a question mark.

 

I wonder if Raul Jr. is just as lazy a turd as his dad.

[o2cui2i]

Why does improving their chance at making the playoffs have to be a "stupid move" (as long as it's not a significant overpay)? Are you not confident in the doughboy being able to pull off a decent mid season move to address a glaring hole?

 

looking at what KC had to pay I dont think the jays have the pieces in their farm system to get what they would need this year and we can't lose top players from the roster and still have a chance.

[Brownie19]

Why does improving their chance at making the playoffs have to be a "stupid move" (as long as it's not a significant overpay)? Are you not confident in the doughboy being able to pull off a decent mid season move to address a glaring hole?

 

Christ - all I'm saying is good GM's don't make moves solely to 'save their job'. I don't think you'll see AA gut the farm system 'because if he doesn't win this year, he'll lose his job'. That's all I'm saying. I also think teams chasing a 1 game playoff, trading for top rentals is a bad idea because it's always an overpay.

[jaysfan2014]

Christ - all I'm saying is good GM's don't make moves solely to 'save their job'. I don't think you'll see AA gut the farm system 'because if he doesn't win this year, he'll lose his job'. That's all I'm saying. I also think teams chasing a 1 game playoff, trading for top rentals is a bad idea because it's always an overpay.

 

Of course, as I mentioned, KC has to win now, because they face significant uncertainty after this season, as their payroll situation will make it difficult for them to keep the team together. No way they're going to a $140M payroll (if they pick up all options) in that market, and that doesn't include Gordon. After all, they're a similar sized market to Cincy. No way they want to end up with an Votto-level albatross like the Reds have.

[TheHurl]

Royals yes, Twins no. Twins are a sub .500 team if you take out their 20-7 May.

 

And if you take out the Jays 18-9 June...

[5minutesforframing]

And if you take out the Jays 18-9 June...

 

Shhh.. everyone but the Jays are doomed according to RaysJays

[Stangstag]

I don't understand why you guys don't all have raysjays on your ignore lists. He NEVER contributes ANYHTING to ANY conversation. All he does is talk about how bad the other 29 teams are.

[TheHurl]

I don't understand why you guys don't all have raysjays on your ignore lists. He NEVER contributes ANYHTING to ANY conversation. All he does is talk about how bad the other 29 teams are.

 

top 10 poster on the main forum.

[Swervin81]

 

Not sure how to feel about this. Maybe taking Kimbrel's contract is a requirement to get Ross? Besides, Kimbrel, as good a reliever he is, does make a ton of coin.

 

I know Ross is hella valuable, but I can't imagine Kimbrel's value being the greatest with that contract, even with his pedigree.

[Boxcar]

No thanks to Kimbrel. Gross. Just Shields plz.

[TheHurl]

No thanks to Kimbrel. Gross. Just Shields plz.

 

I hate his opt out clause after next season. He pitches great and he walks. He pitches like s*** and you are paying him $21M a season.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'd like to think the Jays can do better than a 33 year old Shields getting paid 65 million for another 3 years.

[baloojayz]

I say we go after an allstar calibre left/center fielder instead of SP. It will be a hell of a lot cheaper and fill a BIG hole. Sanchez to the pen should strengthen it some.

 

The starting rotation is not something we can fix this season IMO, even with the addition of a Price. Really don't see the point of relinquishing good SP prospects that could start as soon as next year. Also the price for SP is through the roof. Then in the offseason, with Buehrle and Dickey gone we can go out and sign a starter.

 

Potential starters next season

 

Stro

FA pitcher

Hutch

One of (Sanchez, Norris, Hoffman)

Estrada/Buehrle

 

Looks like a solid group.