Roberto Osuna or Noah Syndergaard in 5+ years?

[Nox]

I really hate threads like this.

 

Both Hoffman and Osuna are really nice arms to have in the system. I like them both quite a bit.

 

But when people start spewing utter garbage about them directly comping maybe the best RHP prospect in the game it just makes the board look awful.

[Spanky99]

This discussion is fools gold. There's only one answer right now, and it's Thor?!

[StroShow]

Now + a season's worth of uncertainty = then

 

Syndergaard = then

 

Hoffman != Syndergaard

 

I'm not picking him over Syndergaard. I'm saying that the best case scenario for Hoffman isn't being an upper echelon prospect in a couple of years time. The best case scenario would be him being that this season, because it is something that is attainable.

[Nox]

I'm not picking him over Syndergaard. I'm saying that the best case scenario for Hoffman isn't being an upper echelon prospect in a couple of years time. The best case scenario would be him being that this season, because it is something that is attainable.

 

Ah, understood. That's not unreasonable.

[saskjayfan]

This board is honestly f***ing retarded.

 

Syndergaard over both easily.

 

3.42 true talent MLB FIP as a starter.

 

If you just read that and the thought of posting his line tonight entered your mind, please go drown yourself in the nearest toilet.

 

How about a much more fun question? Stroman or syndergaard. Who do you want?

[flafson]

All those comparables make 0 sense.

[Governator]

Shouldn't the comparison be Sanchez or Syndergaard considering the Mets wanted either one of them and the Jays 'picked' Syndergaard to offer the Mets?

[Daniel Labude]

I really hate threads like this.

 

Both Hoffman and Osuna are really nice arms to have in the system. I like them both quite a bit.

 

But when people start spewing utter garbage about them directly comping maybe the best RHP prospect in the game it just makes the board look awful.

 

Wait im suppose to believe Synder is better because some idiots have him ranked the best RHP prospect.. thats utter garbage. Get over prospect rankings they usually mean s***

[KingKat]

Shouldn't the comparison be Sanchez or Syndergaard considering the Mets wanted either one of them and the Jays 'picked' Syndergaard to offer the Mets?

 

It's my understanding that the Jays asked "what do you want for Dickey?" and the Mets basically named their price which was Synder, D'Arnaud and Becerra. I'm not aware that Sanchez ever entered the discussion. There's no mention of any Sanchez discussion in Great Expectations.

[KingKat]

Wait im suppose to believe Synder is better because some idiots have him ranked the best RHP prospect.. thats utter garbage. Get over prospect rankings they usually mean s***

 

So what's your counter argument? Why ISN'T he the best rhp prospect?

[Angrioter]

Shouldn't the comparison be Sanchez or Syndergaard considering the Mets wanted either one of them and the Jays 'picked' Syndergaard to offer the Mets?

 

The Mets focused in the best pitcher in the Jays farm. Aaron Sanchez wasn't in the table of discussion.

 

Great deal for the Mets.

[Governator]

It's my understanding that the Jays asked "what do you want for Dickey?" and the Mets basically named their price which was Synder, D'Arnaud and Becerra. I'm not aware that Sanchez ever entered the discussion. There's no mention of any Sanchez discussion in Great Expectations.

 

 

Ok I just remember reading a story a while back that it was between the two of them. I could be wrong, I don't remember what I ate for breakfast yesterday.

[Governator]

Found it. It was just some Journalist stirring the pot. Carry on.

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/was-noah-syndergaard-the-right-young-arm-for-mets-to-take-in-r-a-dickey-trade-1.8869401

[Daniel Labude]

So what's your counter argument? Why ISN'T he the best rhp prospect?

 

From what I have seen he is comparable to Sanchez, but with more command of the fastball

 

Synder throws a flat fastball that I think has carried him in the minors. As long as he locates he will succeed in the mlb, but I havent seen that command yet.

[Nafro]

Wuilmer Becerra's 2015 Stats (20 years old at Lo A) 0.274/0.330/0.491

7 2B,2 3B,4 HR,15 RBI,5 SB,3 CS.

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Nafro]

I don't think you can predict a young pitcher in 5 years, because of the constant attrition that occurs with pitchers.

[King]

From what I have seen he is comparable to Sanchez, but with more command of the fastball

 

So not comparable at all?

[Nox]

How about a much more fun question? Stroman or syndergaard. Who do you want?

 

Stroman by a little bit.

[Nox]

Wait im suppose to believe Synder is better because some idiots have him ranked the best RHP prospect.. thats utter garbage. Get over prospect rankings they usually mean s***

 

No ********.

 

Out best analytic guess has him at a 3.40 ERA/FIP/Whatever on that scale pitcher. That has nothing to do with prospect rankings.

[Daniel Labude]

No ********.

 

Out best analytic guess has him at a 3.40 ERA/FIP/Whatever on that scale pitcher. That has nothing to do with prospect rankings.

 

You are funny

[TwistedLogic]

Can we all agree that if (*when) Hoffman proves all of you utterly despicable non-believers wrong, that none of you will be allowed to enjoy the bountiful gift that is his existence? You must remain forever soft.

 

I mean, he has the word "Man" in his name. You know who else has that? Marcusstro Man. That should tell you enough.

 

#HoffmanisLove

#HoffmanisLife

#JustCallHimATop10ProspectRightNow

#WhyWait

#TheMinorsAreJustAFormality

#RoTY2016

#RoTY2017Also

[L54]

It's almost like the people who don't agree with advanced stats will continue to take the polar opposite stance until they're finally right, just to say I told you so.

 

Today there is literally no argument to be made for Hoffman>Syndergaard.

[BTS]

It's almost like the people who don't agree with advanced stats will continue to take the polar opposite stance until they're finally right, just to say I told you so.

 

Today there is literally no argument to be made for Hoffman>Syndergaard.

 

It's not even about stats. It's about common sense. On one hand you have a MLB-ready arm who tore through the minors, has the stuff to back up the results, and has nothing in the way of red flags. On the other you have a guy who, while very talented in his own right, is coming off a major injury and has never thrown a pro pitch. The only reason for picking Hoffman is that you like the Blue Jays and can't be objective.

[Mikeleelop]

Wuilmer Becerra's 2015 Stats (20 years old at Lo A) 0.274/0.330/0.491

7 2B,2 3B,4 HR,15 RBI,5 SB,3 CS.

 

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

the throw in to the Mets.....

[Governator]

http://i.imgur.com/CveVQxl.jpg

[Boxcar]

So what's your counter argument? Why ISN'T he the best rhp prospect?

 

He's not a Blue Jay

[L54]

It's not even about stats. It's about common sense. On one hand you have a MLB-ready arm who tore through the minors, has the stuff to back up the results, and has nothing in the way of red flags. On the other you have a guy who, while very talented in his own right, is coming off a major injury and has never thrown a pro pitch. The only reason for picking Hoffman is that you like the Blue Jays and can't be objective.

 

I agree, it really is common sense. I wasn't referring specifically to Hoffman vs Syndergaard, but also the entire Sanchez debacle too.

[o2cui2i]

I really hate threads like this.

 

Both Hoffman and Osuna are really nice arms to have in the system. I like them both quite a bit.

 

But when people start spewing utter garbage about them directly comping maybe the best RHP prospect in the game it just makes the board look awful.

 

once you come out of the off topic section, where all the stats peeps hang out, you get into the heart and emotion section of the forum. There are a lot of people who are just as valid fans of baseball and the jays, but have no idea what metrics are.

 

DON'T argue stats with people who don't know anything about them. Just let them have their heart and passion for baseball in their way.

 

arguing doesn't help anyone.

 

ps. you know a thread like this is going to be a s*** storm so maybe dont come back after you make your case and state the facts. You KNOW it's only going to piss you off. Bickering doesn't help anyone and only empowers the people who are not even fans, that are just here to troll and we all know there are lots of those.

[King]

once you come out of the off topic section, where all the stats peeps hang out, you get into the heart and emotion section of the forum. There are a lot of people who are just as valid fans of baseball and the jays, but have no idea what metrics are.

 

DON'T argue stats with people who don't know anything about them. Just let them have their heart and passion for baseball in their way.

 

arguing doesn't help anyone.

 

ps. you know a thread like this is going to be a s*** storm so maybe dont come back after you make your case and state the facts. You KNOW it's only going to piss you off. Bickering doesn't help anyone and only empowers the people who are not even fans, that are just here to troll and we all know there are lots of those.

 

Statistics mentioned ITT: ERA, FIP

 

K.................

[nmrch]

Osuna is 2 1/2 years younger than Syndergaard and is getting big league hitters out, and its not in a smoke and mirrors kind of way, he's got good ratios and he's missing bats. No one's questioning Syndergaard's dominance of the minor leagues but what makes you guys think Osuna wouldn't be doing the same if he went through the traditional minor league route. Unless you think there's no chance Osuna will be what Syndergaard is in 2 1/2 years its not a ridiculous comparison and people arguing otherwise are not nearly as analytical as they think they are.