Roberto Osuna or Noah Syndergaard in 5+ years?

[Olerud363]

I really hate threads like this.

 

Both Hoffman and Osuna are really nice arms to have in the system. I like them both quite a bit.

 

But when people start spewing utter garbage about them directly comping maybe the best RHP prospect in the game it just makes the board look awful.

 

Sometimes analysis is not intuitive unless you are engaged with the data on a day to day basis.

 

Chad Jenkins != Syndergaard, should be clear to a semi-casual fan with an internet connection and a basic understanding of numbers.

 

Osuna != Syndergaard, or Hoffman != Syndergaard... I don't know

 

These guys have no or little minor league history. In the absence of numbers people rely on anecdotal data.

 

"Would of been 1st overall but tore ligament, recovered well and throwing great"

 

"Pitched in the Mexican league at 16 and reached majors at 20"

 

'unable to translate anecdotal data accurately' != 'retarded'

[z3r0s]

I just heard Wilner say that Norris, Sanchez, and Hoffman are both ahead of Synder, so case closed.

[Sammy225]

I just heard Wilner say that Norris, Sanchez, and Hoffman are both ahead of Synder, so case closed.

 

/Thread!

[L54]

Statistics mentioned ITT: ERA, FIP

 

K.................

 

lol

[43211234]

I just heard Wilner say that Norris, Sanchez, and Hoffman are both ahead of Synder, so case closed.

 

Wilner would make a great case study for some neurological study into delusional behavior. He is legitimately ill.

[Olerud363]

Wilner would make a great case study for some neurological study into delusional behavior. He is legitimately ill.

 

I love Wilner... we need to document his entire life because when the historians from the 25th century look back on coorporate North America Wilner is the ultimate coorparate shill.

 

You remember the moment where he had to decide whether to stand up to Cito or keep his job?? Since then we ain't ever heard from the real Wilner. I doubt he believes half the crap he says.

 

Once you make that decision... to take in the ass from coorporate America instead of standing up for what's right... if you take it in the ass you become a changed man and just enjoy the little things (a good supper, watching your kids grow up, makin' a doillar) and do your job like a robot. That's where Wilner is.

[TwistedLogic]

I love Wilner... we need to document his entire life because when the historians from the 25th century look back on coorporate North America Wilner is the ultimate coorparate shill.

 

You remember the moment where he had to decide whether to stand up to Cito or keep his job?? Since then we ain't ever heard from the real Wilner. I doubt he believes half the crap he says.

 

Once you make that decision... to take in the ass from coorporate America instead of standing up for what's right... if you take it in the ass you become a changed man and just enjoy the little things (a good supper, watching your kids grow up, makin' a doillar) and do your job like a robot. That's where Wilner is.

 

Mike Wilner is the Theon Greyjoy of baseball.

[Caper]

You can tell which forum members called up Jays talk and got destroyed when Wilners name gets brought up.

[43211234]

Wilner probably got divorced because his wife complained about the Rogers bill.

[CHRIS]

Mike Wilner is the Theon Greyjoy of baseball.

 

Yes, he reeks of baseball knowledge.

[Angrioter]

http://i.imgur.com/CveVQxl.jpg

 

Only King will love this shirtless man with tons of pubic hair.

[TwistedLogic]

You can tell which forum members called up Jays talk and got destroyed when Wilners name gets brought up.

 

You can tell which forum members are Mike Wilner when someone defends Mike Wilner.

[o2cui2i]

Yes, he reeks

 

ftfy

[o2cui2i]

You can tell which forum members are Mike Wilner when someone defends Mike Wilner.

 

getting banned by Wilner on twitter used to be a badge of honor, but now it's so easy that even Wilner could do it.

[Angrioter]

I got banned on twitter by Barry Davis for arguing with Wilner lol

I insult them all in spanish all the time. Then, i write in english "you're a smart guy"

[o2cui2i]

I got banned on twitter by Barry Davis for arguing with Wilner lol

 

lol

 

I don't follow either because they are so completely ignorant of facts. Wilner was pretty good until he was told to blow the Rogers dick or lose his job. Rogers effectively castrated Wilner's baseball IQ.

 

too bad Rogers runs all the media in Toronto and keeps everyone from explaining to the fringe fans what's wrong with how the team is being run. The is no voice of reason in the Toronto media.

[o2cui2i]

I insult them all in spanish all the time. Then, i write in english "you're a smart guy"

 

lulz

[HERPDERP]

I got banned by Arencibia a few years ago. I remember being so mad.

[Sammy225]

lol

 

I don't follow either because they are so completely ignorant of facts. Wilner was pretty good until he was told to blow the Rogers dick or lose his job. Rogers effectively castrated Wilner's baseball IQ.

 

too bad Rogers runs all the media in Toronto and keeps everyone from explaining to the fringe fans what's wrong with how the team is being run. The is no voice of reason in the Toronto media.

 

The only Jays reporter i follow is Nicholson-Smith who is pretty good and Davidi is hit and miss sometimes.

[Smokey]

You can tell which forum members called up Jays talk and got destroyed when Wilners name gets brought up.

 

You can also tell which members would blow Wilner at the first chance...

 

I don't know why I'm admitting this now... months after it happened. But I had a dream I was at the winter meetings and had sexual relations with Mike Wilner.

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/4298-Blue-Jays-asked-on-Papelbon?p=504488&viewfull=1#post504488

[Boxcar]

I just heard Wilner say that Norris, Sanchez, and Hoffman are both ahead of Synder, so case closed.

 

Wait, did this actually happen?

[z3r0s]

Wait, did this actually happen?

 

yuuuuup... today on the Fan.

[Sammy225]

Wait, did this actually happen?

 

Don't tell me your surprised about the slang that comes out of Wilners mouth/fingers

[Jimcanuck]

Dickey deal is all the more sickening when we think about what we got for Halladay, a much much better and younger pitcher at time of trade

[Boxcar]

Don't tell me your surprised about the slang that comes out of Wilners mouth/fingers

 

Idk, I never listen to him. Don't listen to the radio and I never watch the Jays broadcast on MLB.tv unless they play the Royals or maybe the Mariners.

[Sammy225]

Idk, I never listen to him. Don't listen to the radio and I never watch the Jays broadcast on MLB.tv unless they play the Royals or maybe the Mariners.

 

Don't start lol

[Nox]

DON'T argue stats with people who don't know anything about them. Just let them have their heart and passion for baseball in their way.

 

That's not going to happen. Arguing the merits of someone based on ERA/Pitcher Wins and homerism is not "passion in their own way", it's just ignorance. I have no reason to tolerate it, especially when they address a post to me.

Edited May 14, 2015 by Nox

[Laika]

once you come out of the off topic section, where all the stats peeps hang out, you get into the heart and emotion section of the forum. There are a lot of people who are just as valid fans of baseball and the jays, but have no idea what metrics are.

 

DON'T argue stats with people who don't know anything about them. Just let them have their heart and passion for baseball in their way.

 

arguing doesn't help anyone.

 

ps. you know a thread like this is going to be a s*** storm so maybe dont come back after you make your case and state the facts. You KNOW it's only going to piss you off. Bickering doesn't help anyone and only empowers the people who are not even fans, that are just here to troll and we all know there are lots of those.

 

I think you should eat a dick or two

[TwistedLogic]

Arguing the pros for someone because of ERA/Pitcher Wins and homerism isn't not "passion in their own way"

 

So it is passion in their own way?

http://i.imgur.com/ENjMdkK.png

[GD]

so they can trash our way but we can't argue