Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[Boxcar]

I really don't understand why they hate us so much, not just the Jays, but the city in general, especially coming from a city that has the highest homicide rate in the USA.

 

Is it really just cause of Cito? That s*** happened over 20 years ago, for the amount of flack you got for bringing up their s***** teams for the past decade or so, they sure seem to hold grudges that last a lot longer than that.

 

funny that they referred to us as idiots but we arent allowed to defend ourselves.

[TwistedLogic]

i think he was being sarcastic

 

I know that he was. I was laughing at the guy he quoted. That guy (atomic) also thinks Ken Rosenthal has an agenda against the Orioles.

 

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/145519-Blue-Jays-interested-in-Duquette?p=3701067#post3701067

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/145519-Blue-Jays-interested-in-Duquette?p=3701074#post3701074

[Boxcar]

oh ok

[Stangstag]

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Sith Angelos

[burlingtonbandit]

3? You mean 6.

 

I'm not counting MLS or AHL...

[Spanky99]

I'm not counting MLS or AHL...

 

Actually AHL, makes it 7...

[Slade]

Beeston staying on for one more year...

[Stangstag]

Beeston staying on for one more year...

 

Elliot is talking out of his ass

[TheHurl]

Exactly, there's no compensation involved, it's a promotion. I don't get why people keep talking compensation, there is none.

 

Compensation is offered to get the team to let the person out of their contract. Most teams do not pursue it with a promotion. Angelos if he really is just blowing smoke...is positioning himself to deal with the Blue Jays regarding compensation.

[Olerud363]

Elliot is talking out of his ass

 

It's a culture war. It's important for Beeston to get a "retirement" tour like Cito did.

 

f*** the franchise.

f*** the ordinary guy.

f*** capitalism.

 

Beeston is a pure cronyist.

 

Mark my words... there is a culture war going on at Rogers and people are watching. Will Beeston get his retirement tour??

 

It's about more than just Beeston. It's about the cronyist party and their way of life.

 

Cronyists from across North America and even Europe are watching this and fighting for their buddy Beeston. Cronies don't "get fired" they retire. If Beeston goes in the next few weeks it will be a big blow to the cronies. Like if Cito had been fired after "mutiny". Mark my words, the cronies are all in on this battle.

 

Beeston will retire gracefully in 1 year, and maybe get to pick his successor.

[Olerud363]

Also... one may think that Beeston would bend his rules (no negotiating with Boras, 5 year contract limits) for a chance to win during his retirement tour.

 

But for cronies winning isn't as important. The people are not important. It's about them and their ability to have mindless power over others. To rule over math, numbers, logic and ethics.

 

If Lester was available for 6 130, and it was an actually great deal Beeston would not approve it. If Boras offerred Drew at 1-4 million Beeston would not approve it.

 

It's not about winning. Well it is to some extent, but it's about doing it Beeston's way, then winning second.

[TwistedLogic]

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With the first day of the Winter Meetings just beginning out San Diego, Jeff Blair opened his show on the Fan 590 this morning with a heavy dose of baseball. And, of course, the big story has to do with Paul Beeston and just how long he will continue in his job as president of the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

Lots of interesting stuff to be heard in the segment — which is ongoing as I type — most of which came at the start of the show, before the Beeston fanboys started calling into lay their cringeworthy delusion onto us poor listeners.

 

Some of Blair’s comments certainly echo some of the things I wrote yesterday, when the story first broke, though he’d take issue with the notion — originated by Buster Olney — that the development has anything to do with the Jays’ support of Tom Werner, and not Rob Manfred, as MLB owners searched for a new commissioner back in August.

 

“I wouldn’t look back as Beeston’s support of a losing candidate as having anything to do with this,” he says. “I don’t think that has, frankly, anything to do with this at all.”

 

What it might have to do with, Blair suggests, is Dan Duquette. “It would seem to be Dan Duquette who gets the biggest benefit of having this story leak,” he says, explaining that “he’s realized that, effectively, he’s not going anywhere” in the organization, with Peter Angelos and his sons above him, and Buck Showalter — who himself, it’s suggested, aspires to be the club’s G.M. — below.

 

That isn’t to say that he suggests it’s fabricated though. In addition to the sources speaking to Olney and Ken Rosenthal, Blair says that “I know from talking to a couple people yesterday, Dan wants this job.”

 

 

“I know that he, in fact, called the Blue Jays a couple of times when he was out of baseball, looking for work,” he adds. “It would not surprise me if Dan Duquette saw this as an opportunity to expedite the process. ”

 

Whatever the case, clearly to the local media this is all coming out of left field, yet Blair zeroes in Scott Merkin’s piece at MLB.com that says discussions with Ken Williams are “believed to have happened weeks ago.” The process, he suggests, could have even been underway before the decision to back Tom Werner was even made.

 

“The Jays have been talking to people since August about this,” Blair claims people have told him. “This is not new.”

 

So… that’s interesting.

 

And what we have now, we’re told, is that it seems Beeston is leaving less graceful than we believed — and very probably less gracefully than he believed. And more importantly, it suggests that the Jays are looking to bring in an established baseball person who, as Blair says, will be able to assume total control of the organization, and will be able to replace Anthopoulos.

 

Duquette has won. He has won in the AL East. And “this year he did it on a payroll that was $30-million less than the Blue Jays payroll,” we’re told — the implication being that Rogers would clearly have interest as well. And Blair also says that he has it on very good authority that for 2015 the higher-ups are operating with “no playoffs, no return of Alex Anthopoulos,” as a premise.

 

I’d hope they might not be quite so rigid about that — I’d hope that if they missed by a game and had a bunch of injuries that there might still be some small amount of leeway — but it’s pretty understandable. And that’s sort of the thing: whether Beeston is going to be there or not — whether he was always going to be there or not — the pressures on Anthopoulos to win in 2015 probably don’t change all that much.

 

They’ve tried to make a talking point out of the idea of Alex being a lame duck in all this — and that’s maybe a little bit more true than we might have said it was a week ago, but… not really.

 

I don’t see what it changes for him, or for the way the team will operate this winter, or what we should think about the team, or… anything. Maybe I’m missing something because I just can’t grasp how absolutely saintly some fans view Beeston to be — which… fair enough, I guess, because he sure had a great run in his first go with the club — but it wouldn’t make any sense at all for a new president to come in immediately start making massive changes. He or she will have all kinds of time to survey the territory, see what works, and then make the appropriate moves when it becomes clear whether or not Anthopoulos’s last kick at the can is going to work. No sense in blowing that chance by bashing about making sweeping changes right away.

 

Plus, it’s probably truer than we’d all like to believe that much of the Jays’ off-season is already complete.

[flafson]

In other words, EVERYTHING is on the table, nice.

I'm sure O's will go nuts on this as it means DD wants out as soon as Beeston's job is available.

[ScientificReason]

Where do I apply? I am a god in MLB the show and like rbi's and homerz, very experienced.

[Olerud363]

Where do I apply? I am a god in MLB the show and like rbi's and homerz, very experienced.

 

You also like Aces!!! So I would say you are qualified.

 

Sorry about accusing you of being old skool... good luck in your quest to become president.

 

If you can convince Rogers to open up the pay roll I would be happy for you to sign Lester and Sscherzer to 8-220 each...

 

I don't care if Rogers loses money, so if the payroll was very high I'd be happy to get all the aces out there.

 

It's only under the 135 million limit that I'd be concerned about wasting to much money on an ace.

[bill]

Good get rid of him AA and Gibbons too. Beeston has been coasting off the world series win

[Deadpool]

Good get rid of him AA and Gibbons too. Beeston has been coasting off the world series win

 

Yeah, after this offseason, I am not surprised people want AA gone...

[bzapple]

Orioles fans seem incredibly insecure. They're always so desperate to prove to everyone that their team's success is real.

[KingKat]

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With the first day of the Winter Meetings just beginning out San Diego, Jeff Blair opened his show on the Fan 590 this morning with a heavy dose of baseball. And, of course, the big story has to do with Paul Beeston and just how long he will continue in his job as president of the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

Lots of interesting stuff to be heard in the segment — which is ongoing as I type — most of which came at the start of the show, before the Beeston fanboys started calling into lay their cringeworthy delusion onto us poor listeners.

 

Some of Blair’s comments certainly echo some of the things I wrote yesterday, when the story first broke, though he’d take issue with the notion — originated by Buster Olney — that the development has anything to do with the Jays’ support of Tom Werner, and not Rob Manfred, as MLB owners searched for a new commissioner back in August.

 

“I wouldn’t look back as Beeston’s support of a losing candidate as having anything to do with this,” he says. “I don’t think that has, frankly, anything to do with this at all.”

 

What it might have to do with, Blair suggests, is Dan Duquette. “It would seem to be Dan Duquette who gets the biggest benefit of having this story leak,” he says, explaining that “he’s realized that, effectively, he’s not going anywhere” in the organization, with Peter Angelos and his sons above him, and Buck Showalter — who himself, it’s suggested, aspires to be the club’s G.M. — below.

 

That isn’t to say that he suggests it’s fabricated though. In addition to the sources speaking to Olney and Ken Rosenthal, Blair says that “I know from talking to a couple people yesterday, Dan wants this job.”

 

 

“I know that he, in fact, called the Blue Jays a couple of times when he was out of baseball, looking for work,” he adds. “It would not surprise me if Dan Duquette saw this as an opportunity to expedite the process. ”

 

Whatever the case, clearly to the local media this is all coming out of left field, yet Blair zeroes in Scott Merkin’s piece at MLB.com that says discussions with Ken Williams are “believed to have happened weeks ago.” The process, he suggests, could have even been underway before the decision to back Tom Werner was even made.

 

“The Jays have been talking to people since August about this,” Blair claims people have told him. “This is not new.”

 

So… that’s interesting.

 

And what we have now, we’re told, is that it seems Beeston is leaving less graceful than we believed — and very probably less gracefully than he believed. And more importantly, it suggests that the Jays are looking to bring in an established baseball person who, as Blair says, will be able to assume total control of the organization, and will be able to replace Anthopoulos.

 

Duquette has won. He has won in the AL East. And “this year he did it on a payroll that was $30-million less than the Blue Jays payroll,” we’re told — the implication being that Rogers would clearly have interest as well. And Blair also says that he has it on very good authority that for 2015 the higher-ups are operating with “no playoffs, no return of Alex Anthopoulos,” as a premise.

 

I’d hope they might not be quite so rigid about that — I’d hope that if they missed by a game and had a bunch of injuries that there might still be some small amount of leeway — but it’s pretty understandable. And that’s sort of the thing: whether Beeston is going to be there or not — whether he was always going to be there or not — the pressures on Anthopoulos to win in 2015 probably don’t change all that much.

 

They’ve tried to make a talking point out of the idea of Alex being a lame duck in all this — and that’s maybe a little bit more true than we might have said it was a week ago, but… not really.

 

I don’t see what it changes for him, or for the way the team will operate this winter, or what we should think about the team, or… anything. Maybe I’m missing something because I just can’t grasp how absolutely saintly some fans view Beeston to be — which… fair enough, I guess, because he sure had a great run in his first go with the club — but it wouldn’t make any sense at all for a new president to come in immediately start making massive changes. He or she will have all kinds of time to survey the territory, see what works, and then make the appropriate moves when it becomes clear whether or not Anthopoulos’s last kick at the can is going to work. No sense in blowing that chance by bashing about making sweeping changes right away.

 

Plus, it’s probably truer than we’d all like to believe that much of the Jays’ off-season is already complete.

 

So from what Blair says it sounds like the Jays interest in Duquette is something Duquette manufactured. He knew that Jays had talked to Kenny Williams and others about eventually taking over. He knew he had raised his own stock with his Baltimore success. He saw what the Jays did this off-season. He probably judged that there wouldn't be a better time to try and jump ship. Not sure it's going to work though. They had to give Cito his farewell tour and Beeston will want the same treatment. He'll want to milk hid departure for all it's worth. It's going to take a palace coup to get rid of the f***er. A good reason for not hiring "legends" from your past is that it gets really awkward when it's time to get rid of them.

[burlingtonbandit]

Does Dan Duquette have a good history as a GM? How is his drafting and player development? I'm not sure if he is an upgrade over AA and certainly Ken Williams is not. Rogers better be careful not to make a move that sets the franchise back another decade.

[TwistedLogic]

Does Dan Duquette have a good history as a GM? How is his drafting and player development? I'm not sure if he is an upgrade over AA and certainly Ken Williams is not. Rogers better be careful not to make a move that sets the franchise back another decade.

 

I haven't followed him very closely, but based on what I've read from other people over the years (this stuff could be inaccurate), he was a pretty good GM with the Expos, a lot of the guys on the 2004 World Series team were leftovers of Duquette's work in Boston, and he seems to have done a pretty damn swell job in turning around the O's. Seems to have a pretty good track record, and a lot of fans in the cities he's managed.

 

Then again, he did sign Ubaldo Jimenez, so he can't be all that great, amirite? I'm kidding... partially.

[TwistedLogic]

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Minnesota Twins general manager Terry Ryan is reportedly high on a list of names to potentially replace Toronto Blue Jays president and CEO Paul Beeston.

 

But despite spending three decades in the Twins' front office, Ryan doesn't believe he's qualified for the rumored promotion.

 

"I don't have the skill set to be a president," Ryan told MLB Network Radio on Monday. "I'm very humbled to have my name included."

 

Ryan, 61, was one of several names included in multiple reports Sunday claiming that the Blue Jays are actively pursuing a successor to Beeston, whose contract reportedly expired Oct. 31. Baltimore Orioles executive vice president and general manager Dan Duquette and Kenny Williams of the Chicago White Sox were among the other names linked to the position.

 

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun later reported Beeston will remain in his role next season.

 

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This makes me gain some respect for Ryan. Of the three guys mentioned, he seems to have had the best composure in this situation by far. Dan seems like a mouse caught in a trap, while Kenny comes off like a hopeless, broken-hearted fool.

[burlingtonbandit]

I haven't followed him very closely, but based on what I've read from other people over the years (this stuff could be inaccurate), he was a pretty good GM with the Expos, a lot of the guys on the 2004 World Series team were leftovers of Duquette's work in Boston, and he seems to have done a pretty damn swell job in turning around the O's. Seems to have a pretty good track record, and a lot of fans in the cities he's managed.

 

Then again, he did sign Ubaldo Jimenez, so he can't be all that great, amirite? I'm kidding... partially.

 

Well thats the thing...He has had teams that make the playoffs but are the Orioles really a good team? He drafted Gauserman and the signing for Cruz worked out really well but does he know how to make a team into a contender or did he just get lucky with this Orioles team.

 

Interesting note from the Jeff Blair piece is AA will be fired if they don't make the playoffs. This is probably the worst thing to tell a GM because it increases the likelihood that he trades a ton of prospects for immediate needs.

[Travis_Snider]

Ryan looks like he's in his mid 80s:eek:

[TwistedLogic]

Interesting note from the Jeff Blair piece is AA will be fired if they don't make the playoffs. This is probably the worst thing to tell a GM because it increases the likelihood that he trades a ton of prospects for immediate needs.

 

I'm not sure it means that he'll be fired. Anthopoulos' contract expires at the end of next season, so it's probably just speculation on the part of these "reporters" that if he doesn't make the playoffs in his final year with the team, his contract won't be renewed. Which, for all intents and purposes, isn't the biggest stretch.

 

That still doesn't mean it'll happen. The morons at the helm of Toronto sports media have been speculating that AA is on the "hot seat" for three years. They said the Marlins trade was a due or die for him. He's still here.

 

AA is a professional, and he's already addressed these concerns in an interview a week or two ago, when he said that he's not even thinking about his contract with the team. He said he feels the second you start to look at your own job security is when you start making the wrong kind of decisions for your team. You'd hope every GM feels the same way, but with guys like Moore and Jack-Z out there, we all know that isn't true.

[Deadpool]

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Minnesota Twins general manager Terry Ryan is reportedly high on a list of names to potentially replace Toronto Blue Jays president and CEO Paul Beeston.

 

But despite spending three decades in the Twins' front office, Ryan doesn't believe he's qualified for the rumored promotion.

 

"I don't have the skill set to be a president," Ryan told MLB Network Radio on Monday. "I'm very humbled to have my name included."

 

Ryan, 61, was one of several names included in multiple reports Sunday claiming that the Blue Jays are actively pursuing a successor to Beeston, whose contract reportedly expired Oct. 31. Baltimore Orioles executive vice president and general manager Dan Duquette and Kenny Williams of the Chicago White Sox were among the other names linked to the position.

 

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun later reported Beeston will remain in his role next season.

 

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This makes me gain some respect for Ryan. Of the three guys mentioned, he seems to have had the best composure in this situation by far. Dan seems like a mouse caught in a trap, while Kenny comes off like a hopeless, broken-hearted fool.

 

Looks qualified to me...

 

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[wardhenke1]

Looks qualified to me...

 

http://i.imgur.com/RPiZYyY.png

 

Heh! Excuse me - wtf?

 

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[flafson]

Heh! Excuse me - wtf?

 

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How does Glenn Beck has anything to do with it?

[TwistedLogic]

The Kenny Williams Saga:

 

 

I'm starting to actually feel bad for Kenny here, for how much he comes off as someone who was just dumped in public, LOL.

 

"Permission neither granted nor denied"? What does that even mean? If he wasn't granted permission, how exactly do you classify that?

[Deadpool]

 

I choose to take this literally, since he's at the winter meetings... We have a headless, assless Kenny Williams walking around...