Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[Angrioter]

AA to Duquette after the deal:

 

"I headed entire process to bring you here. Jeff Hoffman is one of the most prized pieces in this organization, which means that your value is very high for me and believe that you will be a great president"

 

"As I appreciate you, I hope you appreciate me in the same way and don't fire me."

 

"I promise to start a diet and reduce my big ass. You are the president and you deserve to have the biggest ass of the whole organization."

[saskjayfan]

I don't want to part with anything other than money and or a mid level prospect. The idea of giving up a Hoffman for an executive is ridiculous. There have to be other qualified people who can do the job until 2018.

[Laika]

Stupid compensation rumours aside, I don't think you can understate the probable positive effect of swapping Beeston for Duquette.

 

Beeston is a dinosaur now and you can see small glimpses everywhere of how his presence and influence is more of a hurdle than a help. Duquette is 13 years younger and is presently a very competent GM, so on the baseball ops side of things there should be a huge improvement.

 

Can we give Beeston any credit for the uniform change and setting in motion the real grass process?

[Laika]

I don't want to part with anything other than money and or a mid level prospect. The idea of giving up a Hoffman for an executive is ridiculous. There have to be other qualified people who can do the job until 2018.

 

If we're being real, the monetary value of having a good team president between now and 2018 would far exceed to expected monetary value of a piece like Jeff Hoffman.

 

It's more about the established market than anything. Good executives worth millions like Theo Epstein have been "traded" for basically nothing in the past.

[HERPDERP]

AA to Duquette after the deal:

 

"I headed entire process to bring you here. Jeff Hoffman is one of the most prized pieces in this organization, which means that your value is very high for me and believe that you will be a great president"

 

"As I appreciate you, I hope you appreciate me in the same way and don't fire me."

 

"I promise to start a diet and reduce my big ass. You are the president and you deserve to have the biggest ass of the whole organization."

 

AA trades Hoffman for Duquette

 

AA: "I paid a lot to bring you over here, Dan. It took a lot, but we're happy with what we've got in return. I'd like to welcome Dan Duquette to the organization"

 

Duquette: " Thanks Alex. I'm looking forward to being here. But now down to business. You traded me for Jeff Hoffman? Are you stupid? You're fired"

[KingKat]

 

Can we give Beeston any credit for the uniform change and setting in motion the real grass process?

 

AA talked about secretely wanting to changes the uniforms all the way back to his days under Ricciardi so I'm pretty that was his idea but Beaston being from the era of those uniforms certainly wasn't going to oppose it. As for the turf, that whole issue seemed to gain traction at the State of the Franchise. The first time Beaston said it, it really seemed like empty bluster that he came up with on the spot but since then a lot of progress has been made to turn what initially sounded like mere wishful thinking into a practical reality.

[Angrioter]

AA trades Hoffman for Duquette

 

AA: "I paid a lot to bring you over here, Dan. It took a lot, but we're happy with what we've got in return. I'd like to welcome Dan Duquette to the organization"

 

Duquette: " Thanks Alex. I'm looking forward to being here. But now down to business. You traded me for Jeff Hoffman? Are you stupid? You're fired"

 

Same line of thought.

The first Duquette move will be fire AA for trade a huge asset like Hoffman for a guy who could being here for free.

Tons of O's FO guys want Dan out right now. Angelo is rising Dan's value talking s***.

[Spanky99]

hypothetical

 

if AA does trade Hoffman for Duquette.

 

Does that pretty much wipe all the good that AA has done in this offseason?

 

Does it erase the goodwill he did in acquiring Martin/Saunders/Donaldson?

 

It would for me.

 

It would certainly be pretty f***ing dumb, but I highly doubt that AA has final say in this process, I'd assume it's Beeston's boss, Richard Pelley with possibly Beeston in on the negotiations. A GM doesn't hire a CEO.

[Spanky99]

AA to Duquette after the deal:

 

"I headed entire process to bring you here. Jeff Hoffman is one of the most prized pieces in this organization, which means that your value is very high for me and believe that you will be a great president"

 

"As I appreciate you, I hope you appreciate me in the same way and don't fire me."

 

"I promise to start a diet and reduce my big ass. You are the president and you deserve to have the biggest ass of the whole organization."

 

lol

[Spanky99]

That said, I'm pretty sure AA would have no say in this. This would be ownership making this move. It's like a cashier spearheading the plan to bring in the store manager.

 

Exactly.

[Orioles]

Jesus this is so stupid. Angelos is just posturing, no way we would trade anything of value.

 

Then you don't get him. This is AL East to AL East more comp. Peter wont let him go for free.

[Spanky99]

Then you don't get him. This is AL East to AL East more comp. Peter wont let him go for free.

 

S'up?

[flafson]

Then you don't get him. This is AL East to AL East more comp. Peter wont let him go for free.

 

Welcome aboard.

 

What O's fans don't understand is that there was 1 precedent and this was the compensation: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8556&position=P

The other thing O's fans miss out on, Blue Jays are in no position to force things, Beeston stays until they find someone else, if it's not now then next year, no big deal.

On the other hand, Angelos is in a big jam because his GM doesn't want to work for him but wants to work for his divisional rival, on top of that, it's the middle of the off-season and he has no one to prepare the team.

[Orioles]

Key points some here are forgetting.

 

1.4 years left on deal.

2.A.L East to A.L East

3.Dan knows all the Orioles weaknesses

4. Peter Angelos stubron old man

 

 

 

So please don't use Theo as past comp. He had 1 year left on deal and the owner had no problem with him going.

[flafson]

Key points some here are forgetting.

 

1.4 years left on deal.

2.A.L East to A.L East

3.Dan knows all the Orioles weaknesses

4. Peter Angelos stubron old man

 

 

 

So please don't use Theo as past comp. He had 1 year left on deal and the owner had no problem with him going.

 

Length of contract is meaningless because DD doesn't want to stay there. If DD stays for 4 more years, Angelos is hurting DD and O's, no one else.

Owner had no problem with him going, probably because he knew Theo didn't want to stay when he has the chance to get a promotion.

[SJE32]

Good then keep a disgruntled employee, They are always essential to a well run organization. Face the facts here, Orioles there is no upside here. If I am the Jays, I offer next to nothing. It maybe more valuable for the Jays to have a pissed Duquette running the O's. Just like the Jays with Farrel, there is no value in holding out.

[Orioles]

Length of contract is meaningless because DD doesn't want to stay there. If DD stays for 4 more years, Angelos is hurting DD and O's, no one else.

Owner had no problem with him going, probably because he knew Theo didn't want to stay when he has the chance to get a promotion.

 

That's the thing Peter's not like the Red Sox owner. Peter will make Dan stay he doesn't care.

[Boxcar]

Key points some here are forgetting.

 

1.4 years left on deal.

2.A.L East to A.L East

3.Dan knows all the Orioles weaknesses

4. Peter Angelos stubron old man

 

 

 

So please don't use Theo as past comp. He had 1 year left on deal and the owner had no problem with him going.

 

1. Irrelevant

2. Irrelevant

3. Irrelevant

4. Irrelevant

 

Funny, normally people are allowed to interview for promotions, like when the O's were allowed to talk to LaCava. Angelos is being a douchebag, and if you honestly think you're getting someone like Stroman you can maybe pull your head out of your ass.

[Orioles]

1. Irrelevant

2. Irrelevant

3. Irrelevant

4. Irrelevant

 

Funny, normally people are allowed to interview for promotions, like when the O's were allowed to talk to LaCava. Angelos is being a douchebag, and if you honestly think you're getting someone like Stroman you can maybe pull your head out of your ass.

 

 

Comp will be somewhere in the middle. Oriole fans think a stud Blue Jays fans think trash.

[Orioles]

Bottom line the timing is flat out awful. You do this after the season not in December.

[L54]

Comp will be somewhere in the middle. Oriole fans think a stud Blue Jays fans think trash.

 

So now you're conceding that Angelos will let him go?

[Boxcar]

Bottom line the timing is flat out awful. You do this after the season not in December.

 

Thanks, we will be sure to steal your GM at a more opportune time in the future. Sorry.

[KingKat]

It would certainly be pretty f***ing dumb, but I highly doubt that AA has final say in this process, I'd assume it's Beeston's boss, Richard Pelley with possibly Beeston in on the negotiations. A GM doesn't hire a CEO.

 

AA wouln't do the hiring of course but I can't see why he wouldn't be involved in the talks around compensation. It would be foolhardy for Pelley to come to an agreement on appropriate compensation without consulting somene from the baseball side of things.

[Orioles]

So now you're conceding that Angelos will let him go?

 

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

[CrackerJack]

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

 

have you guys gotten over what went down at the all star game between Moose & Cito?

[KingKat]

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

 

I could actually buy this. Angelos seems like a pretty stubborn S.O.B.

[leaffie]

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

 

JPMorosi, said that mlb was applying pressure for the O's to let him go. According to his sources, it has been common practice for a team to let someone go for a promotion, and that they were using the all star game, as a threat/reward to work something out.

[HERPDERP]

Hmm.

 

Imagine if the actual deal is Duquette for LaCava lol

[L54]

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

 

He might end up not having a say. We will see.

[Deadpool]

It all depends if the Blue Jays go in acting like Theo comp is precedent nothing will get done. Peter won't back down.

 

MLB will look very unfavourably on the Orioles should they limit promotion opportunities... The precedent is there in Epstein and Farrell, and the return will be fairly low (Jenkins, Drabek, Davis, maybe Goins if AA is comfortable starting the year with Travis/Izturis).