Braves to sign Santana

[jaysfan2014]

Regarding Santana, he was NEVER coming to the AL East. The only reason he did well last year was due to Kaufman Stadium being a large ballpark, which is perfect for his flyball tendencies.

[kgm1]

The Jays weren't going to make a multi year offer on Santana. I don't blame them for that, but when it came down to a one year they offered as much as the qualifying offer and more than Baltimore. He didn't want to come to the AL east and I don't blame him. He got bailed out by the fact that medlen got injured. Do you think 14 mil for Santana is too cheap? What would you pay Santana 18 mil? 20 mil?

 

There is literally zero downside to signing Ervin Santana to a short term contact.

 

Why would you not have been thrilled to sign an innings eater to a one year deal?

 

I certainly wasn't a Santana fan but he did improve our rotation at the cost of a second round pick but it is what it is . Santana waffled on both the Jays and O,s offers for days then jumped as soon as the braves offered him the same money . he didn't want to pitch in the AL East and I don't blame him .

[flafson]

Damn, can't believe he signed else where.

I honestly don't see how AA isn't going to trade for a starter now.

[saskjayfan]

Damn, can't believe he signed else where.

I honestly don't see how AA isn't going to trade for a starter now.

 

AA isn't going to trade for anything until mid way into the season....he will either buy then or sell...depending on how well the offense holds things together for them.

[baconpancakes]

IMO he wasnt going to make or break our season. Spending 14m for the sake of spending 14m is not wise in my books. Sure he eats innings, but I still think there is too many holes to spend that much for 1 year on someone who is using us as a stepping stone for greater things. My opinion.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Doesn't Santana have a small tear in his UCL, dating back to 2009 or whatever?

 

Doesn't seem to be causing him issues. Taking a chance on him on a one year deal is a no brainer.

[kgm1]

Watch Boras come back now and start peddling Drew again . Now he will learn that He hasn't made up with Beeston . No matter what the talk , I firmly believe we will not touch a Boras Client especially after he publicly blasted Rogers .

[Terminator]

Doesn't Santana have a small tear in his UCL, dating back to 2009 or whatever?

 

I read where he went and got an MRI and had it checked out by Dr. Andrews and it has completely healed. Cannot find link but it's out there.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

When you watch a guy hit the glove and execute 10 pitches in a row with plus velocity it raises your eyebrows. Sure he's struck out 9 in 5 innings, but it's the manner in which he's executing his pitches and repeating his delivery. I understand that you are not allowed to make qualitative judgements on this site. AA s***, Hutch s***, blue jays s***....there I'm one of the crowd now.

 

Who said Hutch is s***? The guy hasn't pitched in the bigs in 1.5 years. You can't just expect him to come in and solidify the rotation immediately.

 

This team needed another proven arm in the rotation to sop up some innings and our GM failed miserably. By signing Santana we could've guaranteed ourselves a buttload of innings while also gaining the luxury of keeping Hutch for more seasoning in AAA.

 

I'm disgusted right now.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

IMO he wasnt going to make or break our season. Spending 14m for the sake of spending 14m is not wise in my books. Sure he eats innings, but I still think there is too many holes to spend that much for 1 year on someone who is using us as a stepping stone for greater things. My opinion.

 

Is it your money?

 

If that money isn't going to be spent in other areas to improve teh ballclub... how the hell could you not be behind spending it? It's not like this money is going to be earmarked for other FA's next year.

 

It's a ONE YEAR DEAL for a proven starter. We're not spending 14M for the sake of spending 14M. We're spending 14M to acquire an excellent pitcher at a reasonable price.

[Terminator]

This makes last year's moves look worse. If the team was going to keep increasing payroll, then adding a bunch of big contracts in that fashion was fine with me. And why wouldn't they keep adding payroll? I mean if you had 50 million in one offseason, what's another 15-20 the next offseason?

 

But if they were going to add all that payroll, only to effectively freeze that payroll for future offseasons then you've really limited the #1 way to improve your team. Just a dumb strategy.

[saskjayfan]

Watch Boras come back now and start peddling Drew again . Now he will learn that He hasn't made up with Beeston . No matter what the talk , I firmly believe we will not touch a Boras Client especially after he publicly blasted Rogers .

 

I'd sign drew on a one year deal in a heart beat....may as well bash it out with offense.

[flafson]

IMO he wasnt going to make or break our season. Spending 14m for the sake of spending 14m is not wise in my books. Sure he eats innings, but I still think there is too many holes to spend that much for 1 year on someone who is using us as a stepping stone for greater things. My opinion.

 

It wasn't spending for the sake of spending it was spending for the sake of a proven guy eating 200 innings. 3/5th of our rotation is a huge question mark even before the opening day.

Worst case scenario, you'd get a Buehrle like assurances that he will come to pitch day after day and will keep you in the game long enough.

[saskjayfan]

Is it your money?

 

If that money isn't going to be spent in other areas to improve teh ballclub... how the hell could you not be behind spending it? It's not like this money is going to be earmarked for other FA's next year.

 

It's a ONE YEAR DEAL for a proven starter. We're not spending 14M for the sake of spending 14M. We're spending 14M to acquire an excellent pitcher at a reasonable price.

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The Jays made the offer...they made it first. They didn't try and cheap out on the offer. They offered the same money days ago, essentially setting the market which was what Santana wanted...then he sat back and prayed someone would come in and match and the Braves did. What more could the Jays have done?

[flafson]

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The Jays made the offer...they made it first. They didn't try and cheap out on the offer. They offered the same money days ago, essentially setting the market which was what Santana wanted...then he sat back and prayed someone would come in and match and the Braves did. What more could the Jays have done?

 

I don't think they could have done more and i don't think Santana was trying to be greedy or anything. He thought there is no market for him so he was about to accept our deal, then he saw O's are also putting in an offer so he decided to give it a few more days to see who else would go for him.

[pickoff22]

IMO he wasnt going to make or break our season. Spending 14m for the sake of spending 14m is not wise in my books. Sure he eats innings, but I still think there is too many holes to spend that much for 1 year on someone who is using us as a stepping stone for greater things. My opinion.

 

 

In no way is it "spending for the sake of spending", it's spending to address a glaring hole.

 

I firmly believe our offense is perfectly capable of producing at a competitive level. Our starters are the question mark. Add an arm like Santana's and we're more competitivein that area, that's the bottom line.

[Ehjays]

LOL

 

Start of offseason:

 

"Speaking of pitching, GM Alex Anthopoulos told media (including The Toronto Star) that the rotation is "the most glaring hole on this team and that’s the most glaring area we need to address." What exact kinds of starters will be acquired, however, is still up in the air. “Can it be done with five mid-rotation starters? Would we be better off with two front-of-the-rotation guys and three guys that are five-hole or four-hole guys? ... I think it’s as much about guys who give you a chance to win games," Anthopoulos said."

 

Doesn't address it. The Blue Jays have a GM that doesn't even address self-admitted glaring holes on his pseudo-competitive roster.

 

I am almost in awe of the let down offseason that Anthopoulos is letting happen. Good luck getting fans excited this year.

 

I totally agree, A good GM sees what his team needs and goes and gets it whatever market value is. Our pinhead GM sees it but then wants a deal struck based on his evaluation of the market. Braves have a better GM so they got him.

[Ehjays]

Im again pissed off at this front office and believe its time for new blood (baseball man would be good not mailman)

[flafson]

I totally agree, A good GM sees what his team needs and goes and gets it whatever market value is. Our pinhead GM sees it but then wants a deal struck based on his evaluation of the market. Braves have a better GM so they got him.

 

I don't think it has much to do with the GM, all their GM did was match our offer. That plus their offense plus the fact they don't play in the AL East is a score for him.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Still don't understand how any Jays fan couldn't want him on a one year contract. Clear upgrade over what we have. If we think we're getting 200 innings out of Hutch, Stroman or Happ then we're all on crack. Just a pathetic offseason. I love what Hutch has shown but he's not going to give us a full season. Instead we have 2 spots that are completely up in the air and a 3rd that is a big question mark in Morrow. Ugly.

 

Can't imagine the players are happy about this either. There's been a number of articles with guys making it clear we needed another reliable starter.

 

Santana would have been a buffer for Hutch & Stroman coming up. Santana wasn't a saviour pushing the Jays into playoff contention.

 

As for the players and who they want acquired. They should stick to their jobs of playing and not worrying about the FO signing or trading for their friends.

Edited March 12, 2014 by GeorgiaPeach

[saskjayfan]

Who said Hutch is s***? The guy hasn't pitched in the bigs in 1.5 years. You can't just expect him to come in and solidify the rotation immediately.

 

This team needed another proven arm in the rotation to sop up some innings and our GM failed miserably. By signing Santana we could've guaranteed ourselves a buttload of innings while also gaining the luxury of keeping Hutch for more seasoning in AAA.

 

I'm disgusted right now.

 

You're acting like a petulant child. If you read my post you would have seen that I said even given our current scenario I want Hutch in AAA until june. The Jays made the offer. They had players and media talking their interest up in regards to Santana. Short of flying out to where Santana was, giving him a ruffy and forcing him to sign the jays did all they could. The player has a choice!

[baconpancakes]

I get it, he is -ok-, but if you are only patching up one hole in a leaky boat, and have NO intention of trying to fix the others, why spend that much money on one year.

Fine, it isnt my money, what difference does that make? We don't know that the money saved doesnt go elsewhere productive, but at this point we know it would not go towards any other fixes. If it was true about the QO, then there is no way I ever pay 14m to someone who has no intention of staying, unless of course Santana were that final bump to push us over the top towards contending, which I dont think he is.

[TDotttt2005]

Stoeten sums up the sentiment, the lack of moves, and the Who is to blame (Rogers, AA, Beeston?) through the prism of last years moves pretty comprehensively at DJF.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2014/03/12/anthocalypse-now/

 

My prediction is that Stroman and/or Sanchez is traded as part of a package for Samardjzia or someone else. For some reason, AA is ALWAYS more comfortable with value in trade than value in free agency. That may carry some water, but its an extreme position to me, in that you can only raid your farm system so much, and we reached that point last offseason. At the end of the day, in free agency, you're getting players for nothing but money in an uncapped league. Thats what makes the Santana non-signing so frustrating.

[GeorgiaPeach]

f*** Em! All the same the Jays shouldnt have waited until half way through spring training to hit the panic button on trying to find a starter! I have family and friends in 4 or 5 states and they are all laughing at the s*** show that this org has become....haha....

 

They must be pretty knowledgable ball fans, or they're just giving you a rivalry ribbing.

 

The Jays are like the Expos to people from the States. No one knows much or gives a s*** about them.

[Stangstag]

Damn, can't believe he signed else where.

I honestly don't see how AA isn't going to trade for a starter now.

 

You didn't ACTUALLY think that we would sign him, did you?

[xposbrad]

You guys make it seem like Santana was the missing link to winning the world series. So it's a couple of wins out the door, if that even, depending on what version of Santana pitches this year. In all honesty, he was just being looked at as an innings eater, possibly a decent one, but possibly a crappy one too. The jays have enough guys waiting to pitch and 'eat up' innings. Buerhle eats up innings, it's not the end of the world. It's a 1 year deal, not much changes. There will be better options next year, and hopefully this translates into a better slot in the draft the next year. One of these years the Jays will hit a homerun in the draft, I feel it.

[Stangstag]

Stoeten sums up the sentiment, the lack of moves, and the Who is to blame (Rogers, AA, Beeston?) through the prism of last years moves pretty comprehensively at DJF.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2014/03/12/anthocalypse-now/

 

My prediction is that Stroman and/or Sanchez is traded as part of a package for Samardjzia or someone else. For some reason, AA is ALWAYS more comfortable with value in trade than value in free agency. That may carry some water, but its an extreme position to me, in that you can only raid your farm system so much, and we reached that point last offseason. At the end of the day, in free agency, you're getting players for nothing but money in an uncapped league. Thats what makes the Santana non-signing so frustrating.

 

If AA trades Stroman I might puke.

[Stangstag]

You guys make it seem like Santana was the missing link to winning the world series. So it's a couple of wins out the door, if that even, depending on what version of Santana pitches this year. In all honesty, he was just being looked at as an innings eater, possibly a decent one, but possibly a crappy one too. The jays have enough guys waiting to pitch and 'eat up' innings. Buerhle eats up innings, it's not the end of the world. It's a 1 year deal, not much changes. There will be better options next year, and hopefully this translates into a better slot in the draft the next year. One of these years the Jays will hit a homerun in the draft, I feel it.

 

The f*** did I just read

[fireballW]

You're acting like a petulant child. If you read my post you would have seen that I said even given our current scenario I want Hutch in AAA until june. The Jays made the offer. They had players and media talking their interest up in regards to Santana. Short of flying out to where Santana was, giving him a ruffy and forcing him to sign the jays did all they could. The player has a choice!

 

You are talking to a fanbase that thought AJ Burnett would be excited to come back to Toronto if there offer was the same as other teams. Don't expect to get anywhere.

[Laika]

Stoeten sums up the sentiment, the lack of moves, and the Who is to blame (Rogers, AA, Beeston?) through the prism of last years moves pretty comprehensively at DJF.

 

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2014/03/12/anthocalypse-now/

 

My prediction is that Stroman and/or Sanchez is traded as part of a package for Samardjzia or someone else. For some reason, AA is ALWAYS more comfortable with value in trade than value in free agency. That may carry some water, but its an extreme position to me, in that you can only raid your farm system so much, and we reached that point last offseason. At the end of the day, in free agency, you're getting players for nothing but money in an uncapped league. Thats what makes the Santana non-signing so frustrating.

 

People should at least realize that Stoeten ripped on this message board pretty hard last year for the "Official Fire AA Thread", which was made largely through the prism of last years moves and maybe contained more thoughtful foresight than he was willing to entertain at the time. He washed away the sentiment that AA was performing poorly with a response of "baseball is hard", and then he said this message board was full of dopes.

 

Lots of people here are dopes, sure, but for Stoeten to come completely over to the darkside because the Jays missed out on Ervin Santana is pretty funny to me.

 

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